How Would A Justice League Film Work In The MoS Universe?

Honestly I have some pretty big doubts that a Justice League film will ever be made, sure there will be more DC characters getting there own solo films with some references here and there but I just cant see a JL film working in the world MoS set up. Man of Steel went for a darker more realistic style as well as trying to show off what beings like Superman are truly capable of so how would the other characters fit in it? Here are some of my rambling thoughts on the matter:

  • Green Lantern

Green Lantern is a pretty easy fit for the MoS world actually. The new DCCU has a more sci fi feel to it than a super hero feel and it's already established it's cosmic roots so it wouldn't be hard to slot Green Lantern in there, all they have to do is stay away from the "magical wish ring" and instead embrace the ring as high end extraterrestrial technology (maybe link it to Noetics?).

However DC is still going to have some problems selling a GL movie after the last one didn't go down so well (even though I like it) so do they move on to John Stewart and just make references to Hal? It sure could work with John being a military man and that would play on themes MoS set up. Or do they stick with Hal? Could a Hal Jordan GL fit in this new universe? He seems to be a lot lighter a jokey, I think it would make him stick out to much.

  • Wonder Woman

Now personality wise Wonder Woman could easily fit in to the MoS universe, she's a stoic yet caring warrior, born and bred but she does have a few things going against her.

The first problem I see is her name, now I'm not saying they should get rid of the "Wonder Woman" name altogether, I mean that is who she is and it is a hugely recognisable brand but I just worry how it would sound out loud in a universe where even the name Superman is laughable? The second hurdle is Wonder Woman will be the character to affectively introduce magic in to the DCCU and that is going to be a very risky thing to pull off considering the tone they have went with is a more realistic sci fi one. What they would have to do is stay away from the more gaudy "shooting fireworks from your hands" magic of other fantasy films and do something a bit more darker like the current Azzarello run or something Neil Gaiman might write, they also need to make her look like a Roman or Greek warrior instead of a contestant in a Miss USA pageant.

  • The Flash

A lot of pepole say the Flash is a hard sell because nobody want's to see some guy run really fast but I disagree, imagine Flash all Speed Forced up looking like a human Plasma Lamp blitzing his way through a major city centre then running vertically up the side of sky scraper and then vibrating his way right through it to the other side all done in that crazy slo mo action that Snyder can pull off? I don't know about you but I think that could be awesome, they just need to keep a reign on Flashes powers and not go over board, he needs to be faster than Superman but not hitting crazy faster-than-light speeds, not normally anyway.

The Flashes real problem is going to be what would actually be a threat to him? Don't get me wrong I love the Rogues but can you seriously see any of them in the MoS universe? I suppose you could try and darken them up but how could you make them more realistic and still be a threat? With Grodd you could try and mix King Kong from the reboot with Caesar from Rise of the Plant of the Apes but would that still work? Introducing Zoom would fix all this as well has having the story focus on time travel and alt dimension skipping but that could get very messy very quickly. Also I have yet to see a Flash costume design that would work in real life.

  • Aquaman

I honestly believe Aquaman could work in the world set up by Man of Steel, they should leave the myth and fantasy stuff to Wonder Woman and instead have Atlanteans as genetic off-shoot of humans that has evolved separately because of there isolation, maybe gaining the ability of Hydrokinesis? Also having Atlantis as an antagonist in a JL movie before Aquaman takes the throne would be a breath of fresh air from all these alien invasions we'v been having.

Aquamans problems are going to be his public perception, god only knows why some cartoon that was on TV years ago has caused so much damage to the character but it has and the only way for the public in general to get over that is for the JL film to show what Aquaman truly is, a regal bad ass that doesn't take sh*t from anyone, we need less seahorse riding and more leaping out the water and stabbing fools with his god damn trident and this all needs to be done in a Justice League movie because having an Aquaman movie first will just not work, pepole will come to to see a JL film even if they think Aquaman is a joke because Batman and Superman will be in it, after they have been won over we'll be all good for a solo film. Also he's gonna need less fish scales and more crustacean style armor.

  • Batman

Everybody knows Batman and everybody knows Batman sells so there is no way he's gonna be left out of a Justice League movie but I have no idea how there going to get that to work. Sure they could have Bruce quarterback the whole thing coming up with strategy's and stuff but do pepole really want to pay to see Batman sitting about planning the whole time? They could try and get him to do some stealth work but I actually cant see what Batman can do that the others won't be able to do between them, he'll end up being the "Hawkeye" of the team.

  • Martian Manhunter

I admit it would be pretty cool to see J'onn J'onzz in a big budget movie and I could see him fit in to the MoS universe but does DC really want to add yet another extraterrestrial based character in to the team considering they already have GL and Superman? They could forget some of the "Superman lite" powers he has like heat vision on super strength and instead focus more on the telepathy/shapeshifting/intangabilty to try and show the differences but I think the alien quota is already filled up to be honest.

  • Cyborg

With DC "attempting" to try and make Cyborg a a-list character and founding justice league member in the comics it wouldn't be a surprise if they tried to make him a member in the DCCU, he wouldn't be to hard to fit in since he is a sci fi/tech based character and he could be a big advantage to the team if they go with his New 52 power set (that would serve to make Batman even more redundant) but is he really a big enough name for the film makes to try and fit him in to an already jam packed roster?

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Edited by Wolverine08

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. The tone WB is going for with for the DCU doesn't work for most of the JL. "We need less sea horse riding and more leaping out of the water and stabbing fools with his god damn trident" LOL!

Posted by danhimself

DC/WB's biggest problem is themselves....if they weren't so focused on trying to make their characters grounded and realistic then it wouldn't be such a problem trying to make a Justice League film

I know that no matter what people will read this and accuse me of being an Avengers/Marvel fanboy but for those on the site that know me then they'll know that isn't true....but anyway....this is why Avengers worked....Marvel/Disney didn't really try to change their characters to much to fit in to the cinematic universe....they never set out to try to make an Oscar winning movie...they just made a fun comic book movie and I really believe that if DC/WB wants to make a cinematic universe then they just need to get over the fact that people are inevitably going to compare their movies to Marvel's movies and just go with the template that Marvel has given them...if anything they have the potential to do even better than Marvel since DC's characters are better known

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@danhimself: I actually thought it would have been Marvel that would take the more grounded tone with Iron Man being an egomaniacal recovering alcoholic, Bruce Banner/Hulk being just a guy with actual emotional issues and stuff

Posted by danhimself

@jonny_anonymous: it would make more sense for them to go that route over DC....I would say that the Avengers are definitely more grounded than the Justice League

Posted by Eternal19

I want it to work. But, it probably wont

Posted by lilben42

People always say this stuff. Like how everyone was saying MoS tone wouldn't work for Superman but it did. The JL team should be only the main five then introduce Martian Manhunter with the White Martians. I can see all of the JL working in the MoS world.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@lilben42: How? What will Batman even do? Will will the Flash's villains fit?

Posted by JonSmith

I actually thought it would have been Marvel that would take the more grounded tone with Iron Man being an egomaniacal recovering alcoholic, Bruce Banner/Hulk being just a guy with actual emotional issues and stuff

it would make more sense for them to go that route over DC....I would say that the Avengers are definitely more grounded than the Justice League

To be fair, a certain level of realism HAS to be present in a comic book movie so it doesn't break suspension of disbelief. Doesn't really matter where or how that level is reached or where said realism is applied, so long as it's met. In Marvel's case, there characters, as Dan notes, is ALREADY grounded. The character's and limits they possess are a bit more realistic already in the comics. So since that level of realism is met with the characters just as they are, Marvel can scream, "COMIC INSANITY!" and run shrieking into the night with impunity, allowing their movies to be a bit more wild because we have more grounded characters to help us keep up our suspension of disbelief.

DC, on the other hand, their characters are generally a lot more powerful, and are often paragons of their respective virtues, in some ways. Superman is an ideal to strive towards, etc. So DC has to make the WORLD ITSELF more grounded (i.e., people being afraid of Superman, hesitant to accept him, building's being trashed, etc) to reach the aforementioned level of realism. Since they don't want to change who the characters ARE (which is a good thing), they instead have to change how the world reacts to them. Thus, our suspension of disbelief is kept because the world reacts reasonably to something unreasonable (Superman), rather than in Marvel where the CHARACTERS react reasonably to an unreasonable world.

Anyway. On topic.

While I agree with a lot of what is said, the two I disagree with are Bats and Martian Manhunter. I think trying to put Batman in the foreground of the action alongside the other Leaguers would be a pretty bad idea. It could be DONE, but the difference between them is a lot greater than, say, Hawkeye and Hulk.

I'd say make Batman the tactician, Superman the leader, just like in the comics. You know that moment in Avengers where Iron Man says 'Call it, Cap.', and Cap proceeds to lay down the plan? Have a moment like that: Almost everyone is at each other's throats, they need to work together, but everyone has a different idea about how to go about it. Then Superman steps in, gets everyone's attention, and explains they need to work together. Once everyone's agreed, he hands it off to Batman to explain the actual plan.

The trick will be to have Batman doing something in the background that only he could do. In order to better accomplish that, I'd say nix the Cyborg, and play up Batman's more inventive and detective abilities.

Say in the event of a Darkseid invasion (for EXAMPLE, not actually making a suggestion of another alien invasion) Ideally, Darkseid would be too much for the League to take out, even together. So Batman forms a plan where Green Lantern braces the buildings (from the shockwaves generated by characters on this scale going at each other, as seen in Man of Steel), Aquaman and Wonder Woman restrain Darkseid's arms, holding him in place, Superman grabs his head since he's the only one who has some resistance to Darkseid's Omega Beams, while Martian Manhunter attacks his mind to keep him off balance. The objective is to hold him in one place while Flash gets the one thing potentially capable of beating Darkseid: A running start.

While all that is going on in the foreground, in the background, Batman is contacting STAR Labs, and working with their extraterrestrial unit to analyze the Apokaliptian tech in a destroyed Parademon, figuring out how to use it's armors connection to a Boomtube and the tech at STAR labs to 'hack' Darkseid's motherbox, so when Flash hits him, a Boomtube opens behind him and bare minimum, he gets knocked back to Apokalips. Afterwards, using that tech to temporarily (i.e., a few years) scramble the Earth's Boomtube signature, so Darksied can't mount another invasion.

Batman's still integral to the plot, and winning the fight, but he's not going Batarang to Omega Beam with Darkseid like the others. Obviously, in the above scenarion, if Cyborg is there, he'd just contact STAR Labs to do the thing, hence why I'd say nix Cyborg. So a more tactical Batman definitely could work in a Justice League movie. The trick would be going BACK to Gotham and keeping that tactical nature in his own adventures, while making it interesting without other characters to pick up the action slack.

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@jonsmith: You said you also disagreed with the Manhunter part?

Posted by JonSmith

You said you also disagreed with the Manhunter part?

Oh, right. Minor complaint: Just didn't want him depowered to separate him from Supes. His fear of fire is more than enough, and if instead of putting him directly on Earth (like Man of Steel) they focused the first couple of movies on Mars instead, building up the culture, the characters, really showing us that this is a world unto itself, like they did with Krypton in the first opening minutes of Man of Steel, only fleshed out over a movie, it could be really interesting, and paint Martian Manhunter as a lot more of a tragic hero: A major difference in Martian Manhunter and Superman's stories is that Supes was only a baby when he lost his race. J'onn had a home, a wife, a daughter, a life, he had a people, and he lost it all. Hell, WE, the audience, know more about what Clark lost than Clark does in the Man of Steel universe, even after Jor-El's paternal info dump.

Show MM's first movies on Mars, and Mars alone, showing us exactly how he gained what he gained, the life he lead, the people he knew, and exactly what he lost, and we wouldn't need to take away Superman's powers to show he's more than green version of him.

Edited by Trollheim

Leave Green Lantern, the Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Cyborg for JL2. There's just too much to explain that would derail the plot of the movie.

Here's what I would do... make JL about a war between Themyscira and Atlantis. In the aftermath of the fall of Olympus, the remaining Greek Gods (who were ancient aliens) divided into two camps, those who reside in Themyscira and the others who dwell within Atlantis. Both camps blame the other for being forced into the shadows. The turmoil from the world engine caused both factions to slowly emerge from their seclusion from the rest of the world, and they each blame the other for the state of affairs of the world. The rest of the world is caught in the crossfire of their conflict, which Superman and Batman attempt to resolve. A peace conference is held between humanity, represented by Bruce Wayne, the Amazons, represented by Diana Prince, and the Atlanteans, represented by Arthur Curry, with Superman acting as a neutral arbiter. Batman then somehow deduces that this was all part of some other party's plan, but before he can do anything Ares and his minions bust in and attempt to end the peace conference. Superman ends up captured, and so Batman, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman have to team up to rescue him. They infiltrate Ares's fortress within Mount Olympus, they're discovered, so Wonder Woman and Aquaman have to hold off Ares while Batman attempts to rescue Superman. Then once Superman is free, all of them fight Ares, who has Zeus's lightning bolt granting him god-like power. Ares is defeated, all four heroes are now good friends and the foundation for the Justice League is established.

Boom. I just created a believable, fun, and interesting Justice League movie that fits with the new more realistic science fiction vibe of Man of Steel.

I may actually make my own blog post about this come to think of it...

Posted by cattlebattle

The writers or whoever write the movie should be someone extremely familiar with the comics or they should even watch some of the shows we grew up loving. For instance, look at the episode "Flash and Substance" of JLU. Great Flash depiction. Instead of the rogues being these arbitrary villains that want to destroy the city they much more took their villainy as a 9-5 job. They would argue over their heists and equipment and whatnot....Its more lighthearted and its unique to the things we usually see in every comic movie, and that's exactly what the movie could be like...everything doesn't need to be super serious. It doesn't need the speed force right away either...he could just run really fast. I think a Flash movie would work in the same way the Raimi Spider-Man films work, kind of campy but not to the point where its even that noticeable.

Posted by RustyRoy

WB won't make Batman a side character in the JL movie, he's the biggest star of WB so he and Superman will get the most screen times and they will be the lead characters. The script writer of the JL should check out Morrison's and Waid's run and the JL/JLU animated series.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@jonsmith said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

You said you also disagreed with the Manhunter part?

Oh, right. Minor complaint: Just didn't want him depowered to separate him from Supes. His fear of fire is more than enough, and if instead of putting him directly on Earth (like Man of Steel) they focused the first couple of movies on Mars instead, building up the culture, the characters, really showing us that this is a world unto itself, like they did with Krypton in the first opening minutes of Man of Steel, only fleshed out over a movie, it could be really interesting, and paint Martian Manhunter as a lot more of a tragic hero: A major difference in Martian Manhunter and Superman's stories is that Supes was only a baby when he lost his race. J'onn had a home, a wife, a daughter, a life, he had a people, and he lost it all. Hell, WE, the audience, know more about what Clark lost than Clark does in the Man of Steel universe, even after Jor-El's paternal info dump.

Show MM's first movies on Mars, and Mars alone, showing us exactly how he gained what he gained, the life he lead, the people he knew, and exactly what he lost, and we wouldn't need to take away Superman's powers to show he's more than green version of him.

Hmm I can't see DC going with MM really

Posted by Jonez120

Honestly I say ditch Cyborg all together. He would be kinda cool to see all CGI-ed up but with him Bats is sorta useless. Also I think they should stay away from Darkseid (For now) He is a great villain and all but it would be too much like the Avengers since they're bringing Thanos to the mix. They should go more grounded....Hrmmm Maybe Lex? IDK im just throwing out ideas.

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Posted by Lvenger

Very nice blog post. I agree with most of what you've said on here. Green Lantern should work fine in this universe though I'd prefer Hal and some explanation as to why the GLC never ran into the Phantom Zone escapees. Wonder Woman would need to take a leaf from Thor's book in terms of melding sci fi and fantasy to fit into this universe. As for Flash, the New 52 costume does have a certain level of plausibility to it. For the first Justice League film, I'd leave it at the Big 5. No Aquaman or Martian Manhunter til later on so each Leaguer gets time on the screen to shine and have their respective moments.

Posted by w0nd

I'm afraid for the flash. I can't picture him fighting anyone else but zoom on the big screen.

Posted by JonSmith

@lvenger said:

Green Lantern should work fine in this universe though I'd prefer Hal and some explanation as to why the GLC never ran into the Phantom Zone escapees.

To be fair, Zod implied after Krypton's destruction, they just searched ancient Kryptonian outposts for survivors. If we can take Zod at his word, they didn't do anything explicitly illegal or anything to draw the ire of the Green Lantern Corps until they attacked Earth. At worst, they stole property from the corpses of their ancestors.

Edited by Trollheim

@lvenger said:

Very nice blog post. I agree with most of what you've said on here. Green Lantern should work fine in this universe though I'd prefer Hal and some explanation as to why the GLC never ran into the Phantom Zone escapees. Wonder Woman would need to take a leaf from Thor's book in terms of melding sci fi and fantasy to fit into this universe. As for Flash, the New 52 costume does have a certain level of plausibility to it. For the first Justice League film, I'd leave it at the Big 5. No Aquaman or Martian Manhunter til later on so each Leaguer gets time on the screen to shine and have their respective moments.

Do you think having Green Lantern and Wonder Woman and the Flash all in there in the same movie without exploring their background would work? I mean, the Avengers assumed the audience already had an awareness of these characters and their origin stories, and even then the movie was pretty long and took a while to explain their coming together as a team. Going into a Justice League movie, none of the seeds are already planted, so the the formation of the team really needs to tie into the backstory of the characters and plot of the movie itself. These characters can't just pop onto the screen and expect the audience to buy them out of the blue.

Edited by lilben42

@jonny_anonymous: Batman would be like the Arkham games Batman. The Flash rogues would need a little makeover but I think they could still make The Flash movie comedic and serious.

Edited by lilben42

@jonsmith: I wouldn't have everyone at each others throats like the avengers. The JL would probably focus on the matter at hand after arguing for a minute. Would have the White Martians send MM (they have something over him) to kill Superman but not knowing Superman just met Wonder Woman. Meanwhile Batman is on to the White Martians plan.

Posted by DarkDay

@jonny_anonymous: I'd argue that all your problems with Wonder Woman are easily fixed by her showing up as Diana Princess of Themyscira. In MoS Kal-El is never refered to as Superman by anyone other than random army guy number one. So if that's the way they went with Supes, it could easily go that way with WW. As for her magical origin, they could just play it the way that Marvel played Thor. Magic = Technology beyond the scope of human understanding and thus ancient aliens are worshiped as gods.

Posted by Lvenger

@jonsmith said:

To be fair, Zod implied after Krypton's destruction, they just searched ancient Kryptonian outposts for survivors. If we can take Zod at his word, they didn't do anything explicitly illegal or anything to draw the ire of the Green Lantern Corps until they attacked Earth. At worst, they stole property from the corpses of their ancestors.

There are supposed to be 3600 or 7200 Green Lanterns depending on whether it's pre or Post Johns' run. And the Guardians and the GLC must have been aware of Krypton's destruction. Surely their officers would have been on the alert for Phantom Zone escapees or Kryptonian criminals.

@trollheim said:.

Do you think having Green Lantern and Wonder Woman and the Flash all in there in the same movie without exploring their background would work? I mean, the Avengers assumed the audience already had an awareness of these characters and their origin stories, and even then the movie was pretty long and took a while to explain their coming together as a team. Going into a Justice League movie, none of the seeds are already planted, so the the formation of the team really needs to tie into the backstory of the characters and plot of the movie itself. These characters can't just pop onto the screen and expect the audience to buy them out of the blue.

To be honest, that is a problem I have with a Justice League film. On the one hand, if they copied what Marvel did, they'd be accused of being copycats. On the other, as you said, none of the seeds are planted for a Justice League film and time would need to be spent on the backstory of each Justice Leaguer. I agree, the characters can't just pop up onto the screen for the audience to buy into them. Yet that is what may happen which isn't good.

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@lilben42 said:

I wouldn't have everyone at each others throats like the avengers. The JL would probably focus on the matter at hand after arguing for a minute. Would have the White Martians send MM (they have something over him) to kill Superman but not knowing Superman just met Wonder Woman. Meanwhile Batman is on to the White Martians plan.

Well, look at the line up for why they'd be at each other's throats: Wonder Woman is an Amazon from Themyscira, she doesn't trust men and she'd be the only female on the team. Of course she'd be hesitant to work with Supes and Bats. Batman is Batman: He doesn't trust anyone except Alfred, his sons, and Clark, off and on. Aquaman wants to lead the new team, and naturally that'd put him at odds with Wonder Woman, who would hate taking orders from a man, at least one she didn't respect. Flash would try to mediate, but he lacks the gravitas to pull it off after an arguments erupted. And Hal would just be a flirtatious ****, who'd refuse to listen to anyone.

Each of the JL (except Superman, MM, and Flash) has a lot of pride, and most of them are slow to rely on others. They'd be at each other's throats even more than the Avengers. Hence why Superman would have to calm everyone down enough to get them to listen to Batman, that's the way the team works: Superman is the leader, someone the team, and everyone trusts and relies on. Batman is the tactician, forming the plans for the team to use.

@lvenger said:

There are supposed to be 3600 or 7200 Green Lanterns depending on whether it's pre or Post Johns' run. And the Guardians and the GLC must have been aware of Krypton's destruction. Surely their officers would have been on the alert for Phantom Zone escapees or Kryptonian criminals.

Perhaps they were, but what crime have Zod and his men performed on the galaxy? They were sentenced by Kryptonians, it was an internal affair, which the Corps is not allowed to get involved with, I think. Pretty sure the Corps is only supposed to get involved in intergalactic crimes, and stay out of planetary justice unless requested.

Since Zod hadn't performed any crimes against the galaxy, and his planet was just blown all to hell, what threat was he? The Corps probably has more important things to do. Also, don't forget, the Kryptonians were isolated, stagnant even. They purposefully abandoned space travel in favor of withdrawing to their planet. It's likely they barred Green Lanterns from investigating their planet. So when Zod was released, it's also possible the Corps didn't even know Zod and his men were criminals. Considering one Kryptonian refugee (Clark) had already used Phantom Zone Tunneling to escape the destruction, it's possible they thought Zod was trying to do the same. Not like the Kryptonians decided to call up the Corps while their planet was exploding and say, "HEY WE GOT SOME GUYS, KINDA BAD, WE'RE ALL DYING SO YOU TAKE CARE OF THEM, 'KTHXBYE OH GOD IT BURNS."

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@jonsmith said:

Perhaps they were, but what crime have Zod and his men performed on the galaxy? They were sentenced by Kryptonians, it was an internal affair, which the Corps is not allowed to get involved with, I think. Pretty sure the Corps is only supposed to get involved in intergalactic crimes, and stay out of planetary justice unless requested.

Since Zod hadn't performed any crimes against the galaxy, and his planet was just blown all to hell, what threat was he? The Corps probably has more important things to do. Also, don't forget, the Kryptonians were isolated, stagnant even. They purposefully abandoned space travel in favor of withdrawing to their planet. It's likely they barred Green Lanterns from investigating their planet. So when Zod was released, it's also possible the Corps didn't even know Zod and his men were criminals. Considering one Kryptonian refugee (Clark) had already used Phantom Zone Tunneling to escape the destruction, it's possible they thought Zod was trying to do the same. Not like the Kryptonians decided to call up the Corps while their planet was exploding and say, "HEY WE GOT SOME GUYS, KINDA BAD, WE'RE ALL DYING SO YOU TAKE CARE OF THEM, 'KTHXBYE OH GOD IT BURNS."

Your reasoning makes sense but it's still a bit iffy that the intergalactic space cops don't get a whiff of Zod and his Phantom Zoners. Ah well.

Posted by Trollheim

Leave Green Lantern, the Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Cyborg for JL2. There's just too much to explain that would derail the plot of the movie.

Here's what I would do... make JL about a war between Themyscira and Atlantis. In the aftermath of the fall of Olympus, the remaining Greek Gods (who were ancient aliens) divided into two camps, those who reside in Themyscira and the others who dwell within Atlantis. Both camps blame the other for being forced into the shadows. The turmoil from the world engine caused both factions to slowly emerge from their seclusion from the rest of the world, and they each blame the other for the state of affairs of the world. The rest of the world is caught in the crossfire of their conflict, which Superman and Batman attempt to resolve. A peace conference is held between humanity, represented by Bruce Wayne, the Amazons, represented by Diana Prince, and the Atlanteans, represented by Arthur Curry, with Superman acting as a neutral arbiter. Batman then somehow deduces that this was all part of some other party's plan, but before he can do anything Ares and his minions bust in and attempt to end the peace conference. Superman ends up captured, and so Batman, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman have to team up to rescue him. They infiltrate Ares's fortress within Mount Olympus, they're discovered, so Wonder Woman and Aquaman have to hold off Ares while Batman attempts to rescue Superman. Then once Superman is free, all of them fight Ares, who has Zeus's lightning bolt granting him god-like power. Ares is defeated, all four heroes are now good friends and the foundation for the Justice League is established.

Boom. I just created a believable, fun, and interesting Justice League movie that fits with the new more realistic science fiction vibe of Man of Steel.

I may actually make my own blog post about this come to think of it...

Oh, man, I just thought of something clever... Flash got his super powers from a bolt of lightning. That bolt of lightning could be Zeus's bolt of lightning. Maybe in the post-credits sequence we see Wally West discover the fallen bolt of lightning from when Superman battles Ares in the climax.

Basically tying most of the main cast, aside from Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter, into one story arc. Once the series goes cosmic, bringing Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter in at the same time could be no problem.

Posted by batmannflash

Simple. Make it into a superhero movie. They try too hard to make the movies grounded and realistic. All of a sudden, they lose the whole superhero element. Make it dark and gritty, whatever, and don't be afraid to lose a little bit of reality and make it a comic book/superhero movie rather than a sci-fi.

Posted by BigCimmerian

I never understood why science and magic can't fit with each other in these movies. IF YOU ARE MAKING SUPERHERO MOVIE THAN DO IT RIGHT FOR FUCKS SAKE. Forget about realism and add magic, science, aliens whatever exist in comics.

Posted by Trollheim

I never understood why science and magic can't fit with each other in these movies. IF YOU ARE MAKING SUPERHERO MOVIE THAN DO IT RIGHT FOR FUCKS SAKE. Forget about realism and add magic, science, aliens whatever exist in comics.

Suspension of disbelief. Movies that want to get mainstream attention shouldn't strain the viewers disbelief.

Edited by lilben42

@jonsmith: I can imagine Hal arguing with Batman and Superman directing their attention to the problem. But then I think that would be it.

Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

@darkday said:

@jonny_anonymous: I'd argue that all your problems with Wonder Woman are easily fixed by her showing up as Diana Princess of Themyscira. In MoS Kal-El is never refered to as Superman by anyone other than random army guy number one. So if that's the way they went with Supes, it could easily go that way with WW. As for her magical origin, they could just play it the way that Marvel played Thor. Magic = Technology beyond the scope of human understanding and thus ancient aliens are worshiped as gods.

Yea but the DCCU can't be a world without magic iif the Justice League Dark movie is going to fit in to it

Posted by Perezite


  • Wonder Woman

Now personality wise Wonder Woman could easily fit in to the MoS universe, she's a stoic yet caring warrior, born and bred but she does have a few things going against her.

The first problem I see is her name, now I'm not saying they should get rid of the "Wonder Woman" name altogether, I mean that is who she is and it is a hugely recognisable brand but I just worry how it would sound out loud in a universe where even the name Superman is laughable? The second hurdle is Wonder Woman will be the character to affectively introduce magic in to the DCCU and that is going to be a very risky thing to pull off considering the tone they have went with is a more realistic sci fi one. What they would have to do is stay away from the more gaudy "shooting fireworks from your hands" magic of other fantasy films and do something a bit more darker like the current Azzarello run or something Neil Gaiman might write, they also need to make her look like a Roman or Greek warrior instead of a contestant in a Miss USA pageant.

So long as they don't take the same Clarke's law piss to the Olympians that they did to the Asgardians and embrace the wonders magic holds without being to overblown and go the more mysterious route without trying to appease to the atheistic fuckwads in the audience, I'll be happy. If they don't though, I'm going to kill someone.

Posted by Fallen_Crippled

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, & Green Lantern should be the roster for the first film. Maybe add an Aquaman cameo. Then second film bring Aquaman and maybe Martian Manhunter with White Martians.

Posted by lilben42

@perezite: I don't see why magic and science can't exist in the same movie. Just make magic natural.

Posted by JamesKM716

I think they can all work in this world personally.

Posted by Perezite

@lilben42 said:

@perezite: I don't see why magic and science can't exist in the same movie. Just make magic natural.

I know! That's what I've been saying this whole time!

Though...I'm not sure what you mean by this necessarily.

Posted by lilben42

@perezite: Like of natural forces. Like electricity and water instead of some dark energy stuff.

Posted by lilben42

@jameskm716: Right. Dc movies are just emotional and serious and each JL member could have an emotional story or has had one from the comics.

Posted by Trollheim

@lilben42 said:

@perezite: I don't see why magic and science can't exist in the same movie. Just make magic natural.

Well, yeah, magic would be natural. Scientifically natural magic.

Edited by Perezite

@lilben42 said:

@perezite: Like of natural forces. Like electricity and water instead of some dark energy stuff.

I...still don't follow you.

Posted by Perezite

@lilben42 said:

@perezite: I don't see why magic and science can't exist in the same movie. Just make magic natural.

Well, yeah, magic would be natural. Scientifically natural magic.

Hey! Who said you could come out of hell Clarke spawn!?

Edited by lilben42

@perezite: Like controlling the elements instead of making a building come alive.

Posted by Perezite

@lilben42 said:

@perezite: Like controlling the elements instead of making a building come alive.

Yeah...I'd take both...