The Dark Knight And The Moon Knight

It baffles me that people still write Moon Knight off as nothing more than a Batman clone. The only similarities they have are that they both have had access to large sums of cash and they fight crime using tech because they have no super powers. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. Let's take a look at Bruce Wayne, shall we? In essence Bruce is a rich kid with problems, he's fighting crime to avenge the traumatic murder of his family. Now let's look at Marc Spector, Spector is a mentally unstable (has dissociative disorder) ex-mercenary, whom  fights crime because he believes he's been chosen as the avatar of an Egyptian god of vengeance. Now it's fair to say that both men are driven by an insane obsession, but let's look at the origins and methods of sating this obsession. Moon Knight punishes criminals as a religious duty, it's as integral to him to hunt criminals as it is for a devout Muslim to pray five times a day or a catholic to go to weekly confession. Spector is like an animal that must hunt, a predator that must prey. Batman is a man motivated by vengeance for his fallen loved ones, which develops into his obsessive war on crime. Spector is a man who's entire being is vengeance itself. No matter who it may be, he must punish however he sees fit. Now in recent years writers have fleshed out his character and made him into a  man looking for a higher purpose, for peace and redemption. and I think that's a good turn for the character. He's gone as far as to downgrade to nonlethal weaponry and do his best to avoid killing his foes. He's even joined the Secret Avengers in his hopes to keep steering in the right direction. Spector's identities aren't just a tool for infiltration and gathering information like Bruce's are (though they've served that function too). Spector is genuinely living other lives, he literally becomes an entirely new person. This both helps him to confront/escape from the challenges both internal and external that he faces in his life. Batman doesn't kill, you know accept for in a few Golden Age tales and that one time during The Cult (yeah we ALL know that he shot that guy, so save it). Knight has and does and will continue to do so when he feels he should. Batman deals with the Joker by roughing him up a bit before send him to Arkham for a weekend. Moon Knight skins the Bushman's face off and snaps his neck. In conclusion I think Moon Knight's an underrated and unappreciated character with lot's of depth and potential for writers to tap. So yeah, Go Moon Knight, he's got more in common with The Punisher/Dare Devil than he does with Bats. And Bats is my favorite character by the way, and easily the more compelling of these two. But that's no reason to write Moon Knight off. 

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Edited by batman_is_god

Not to be like an overly rude mod, but there is a recent forum for this 
 
copy and paste your post there
Posted by G Bird

I agree, Batman and Moon Knight are my top two favorite comic characters and they really have nothing in common except for being rich and wearing a cape. Personally I like Moon Knight comics better, the new Batman stuff by Morrison doesn't really appeal to me. It gets me annoyed when people simply write off Moon Knight as a Batman ripoff, but it just show how ignorant they are.

Posted by InnerVenom123

People do tend to write him off as a clone, don't they? Oh well. People are stupid anyway. :p

Posted by JonesDeini
@InnerVenom123 said:
" People do tend to write him off as a clone, don't they? Oh well. People are stupid anyway. :p "
Ha! Indeed, I mean I've been guilty of writing characters off myself (The Rogues for example) but I'm willing to try out a suggested works that show the best of the character, people don't even give Marc that much of a chance. 
Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt

he's not Just a batman clone but he IS a Batman clone
Posted by JonesDeini
@Avenging-X-Bolt said:
" he's not Just a batman clone but he IS a Batman clone "
Care to expound upon why you feel that way, good sir? And if this is the case why do you feel Dare Devil or Punisher are not equally considered a Batman clone?
Posted by Loki9876

Moon knight is a very cool character and is indeed other than batman and moon knight has powers everybody seems to forget that.

Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt

@JonesDeini:
why certainly my good man, Moon Knight is indeed copied off Batman but he has enough unique elements to give him a level of difference of the dark knight. 
 
at the base  
 
rextremely rich men with a cheeky foreign butler who serves as a confidant simialr m.os both dress up i costumes with similar layouts meant to frighten the enemy and have a large number of simialr gimmicked tools and vehicles, both had a kid sidekick who turned against them. 
  
but as stated earlier they do have slight differences in origin, inspiration,morals and personalities, moon knight also possess limited super powers. batman is more involved with other super-heroes and has a greater grip on his sanity. 
 
so while obviously baseed on batman (therefore being a clone) he has gained enough of his own lore

Posted by batman_is_god
@JonesDeini said:
" @Avenging-X-Bolt said:
" he's not Just a batman clone but he IS a Batman clone "
Care to expound upon why you feel that way, good sir? And if this is the case why do you feel Dare Devil or Punisher are not equally considered a Batman clone? "

There are FAR more parralels between Batman and Moon Knight than Batman and Daredevil/Punisher. Costume, gadgets, attitude, even the name mocks his title (look at the title of this topic). Bataranga and bat themed vehicles are copied with crescent shaped throwing objects and moon themed vehicles. Except for killing enemies, how is he different? 
 
The last sentence was not sarcasm, I actually want to know how people can say he is not a rip off. To me, he seems to be the biggest rip off in comics. If he is not a rip off, who is?
Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt
@batman_is_god:
exactly 
 
Punisher is virtually nothing like Batman  
 
he is a virtually emotionless killing machine 
 
Posted by warcorpse

He's not a batman rip-off. 
 

Does it really steam you guys that Moon Knight gets the label as the Marvel version of Batman?

MOENCH: You know, it’s a really odd thing for me because Batman has always been my favorite DC character. But on the other hand, you have to remember that the evolution of Moon Knight is odd. He started out as a villain in “Werewolf by Night.” Right there that dictates several things. If he’s going to be going up against a werewolf he’s gotta be a night character because if they’re going to fight it has to be at night. Right there, night character. Batman’s also a night character, but he was the furthest thing from my mind. What else do you connect to a werewolf? The moon. That spelled out the colors of the costume. Jet and silver. Black and white. All these other things that were focused only on werewolves and has nothing to do with Batman. Some people think of one other thing that Steven Grant is a millionaire and Bruce Wayne is a millionaire. Well don’t forget, Batman doesn’t have three separate identities like Moon Knight does and only one of them is a millionaire. Each one was selected for reasons other than thinking about Batman. The cab driver – I needed someone on the street who could pick up tips, find out what the underworld was up to. The mercenary – that gave him his background and his ability to do globetrotting adventure stories that I wanted to do time to time. And then who pays for all of this? A millionaire with a base to put his helicopter and all that other stuff. But I think the real connection was made when Bill Sienkiewicz took over the art. And Bill, don’t forget, was drawing exactly like Neal Adams who was associated with Batman. And you had actual swipes of Batman poses done by Neal Adams that Bill would throw into Moon Knight and on a subliminal level, it’s like well, this looks like Batman. But it was not meant to be Marvel’s answer to Batman

Posted by batman_is_god
@warcorpse said:
"He's not a batman rip-off. 
 

Does it really steam you guys that Moon Knight gets the label as the Marvel version of Batman?

MOENCH: You know, it’s a really odd thing for me because Batman has always been my favorite DC character. But on the other hand, you have to remember that the evolution of Moon Knight is odd. He started out as a villain in “Werewolf by Night.” Right there that dictates several things. If he’s going to be going up against a werewolf he’s gotta be a night character because if they’re going to fight it has to be at night. Right there, night character. Batman’s also a night character, but he was the furthest thing from my mind. What else do you connect to a werewolf? The moon. That spelled out the colors of the costume. Jet and silver. Black and white. All these other things that were focused only on werewolves and has nothing to do with Batman. Some people think of one other thing that Steven Grant is a millionaire and Bruce Wayne is a millionaire. Well don’t forget, Batman doesn’t have three separate identities like Moon Knight does and only one of them is a millionaire. Each one was selected for reasons other than thinking about Batman. The cab driver – I needed someone on the street who could pick up tips, find out what the underworld was up to. The mercenary – that gave him his background and his ability to do globetrotting adventure stories that I wanted to do time to time. And then who pays for all of this? A millionaire with a base to put his helicopter and all that other stuff. But I think the real connection was made when Bill Sienkiewicz took over the art. And Bill, don’t forget, was drawing exactly like Neal Adams who was associated with Batman. And you had actual swipes of Batman poses done by Neal Adams that Bill would throw into Moon Knight and on a subliminal level, it’s like well, this looks like Batman. But it was not meant to be Marvel’s answer to Batman

"

how does this show he's not a rip off? All this says it that it was an accident.
Edited by batman_is_god
@Avenging-X-Bolt:
Who said he was? Punisher is some crazy vigilante who used to be in the military. What does he have in common with Batman? 
 
Daredevil I can see where people are coming from, but I would call Iron Man a Batman rip off before Daredevil. Not that Iron Man is a rip off. 
 
Seriously, if Moon Knight is not a rip off, WHO IS?
Posted by JonesDeini
@Avenging-X-Bolt:  
True, I'll agree to all this. I'm not saying he wasn't inspired by Bats, I mean no idea (especially in comics is original) is original
Edited by JonesDeini

@Batmanisgod  
The reason I don't think Moon Knight is a rip off is because of his motivations, his powers, his methods, and his Lives outside his costume. I'll cop to him having moon theme gadets, but so do many heroes with a gimmick i.e. Spidey's Spider Tracers. He also has a cheeky butler, But so does Iron Man (and many other rich characters to provide comic relief). I don't think they're suits look similar though, if anything his suits more similar to Azrael's.  
 
And to answer your second Question, I'd say that Sentry is a clear Superman "Homage/Pastiche/Ripoff/etc." He's pretty much Marvel's Dan Hibiki to DC's Ryo Sakazaki  
 
And I brought up punisher et. al because they're all vigilantes who operate at night and are famous for dealing with street level/mafia crime in their histories. 

Posted by batman_is_god

Granted, if characters have equipment they are themed, but you have too see where Moon Knight just imitates. 
 
The only differences between the two are there only for the sake of saying there are differences.

Posted by Tormenta

I agree with you, they're not the same but because of those few similarities they'll be considered the same.....its a hypocritical thing.

Posted by JonesDeini
@batman_is_god:  
I have to disagree with the latter point, I think the differences in the characters is major, especially after years of development, for both of them for them to be seen as stand alone characters. I mean when you look at it that way, Batman literally was a ripoff of Zorro/The Shadow and HAD to have enough differences for the creators/owners not to be sued. Now In hero comics I'd say that Batman is the Grandfather of the concept of the Night stalking hero who looks like a villain. I'll never deny that there's influence, because both companies actively take part in dueling with one another. But I think it's rare when either just flat out ripoffs the other.
Posted by CaptainCockblock

I agree 100%, but you have to admit there was some inspiration drawn from Batman. The overall tone, the attitude of the character, hell, he was created by Doug Moench, long time Batman writer (and unfortunately the writer of the pile of ass known as JLA: Act of God). Without Batman, Moon Knight, and many other heroes, probably would never be.

Edited by batman_is_god

@JonesDeini:


There is a difference between inspiration (Zorro to Batman, Superman to Goku) and being a rip off (Moon Knight to Batman, Power Rangers to that one Japanese show I can't remember) 
 
Besides, DC is more than willing to admit to the Zorro inspiration. Zorro was Batman's hero growing up, and his parents were murdered when they were leaving a Zorro movie. 
 
However, the logic of "If moon knight is a rip off everyone is a rip off" is not going to convince anyone. The differences between Batman and Zorro are far more than the differences between Batman and Moon Knight.
Posted by JonesDeini
@CaptainCockblock:  
Yup I whole heartedly acknowledged that in my comments. Batman's the Forefather to the "Dark" heroes. And pulp comic characters like The Shadow are the inspiration for Bats.
Posted by CaptainCockblock
@JonesDeini: 
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Posted by daredevil21134

LOL thats funny
Posted by JonesDeini
@batman_is_god:   
LOL Just splitting hairs here, but Power Rangers isn't a rip-off, it's just the western version of the companies Super Sentei show.  
And I'm not saying "if MK a ripoff off so is everybody", because I staunchly disbelieve that he's a ripoff. As the Moench interview says he was a villain written to oppose the Man Wolf (I think that's what he was called). It's not like he's Deadpool who was a blatant Deathstroke ripoff (Leifeld calls it an homage). 
Posted by batman_is_god
@JonesDeini:
Deadpool is a parody, not a rip off. Honestly, the differences between Deadpool and Deathstroke are greater than Moon Knight and Batman.
Posted by daredevil21134
@JonesDeini said:
" @batman_is_god:   LOL Just splitting hairs here, but Power Rangers isn't a rip-off, it's just the western version of the companies Super Sentei show.  And I'm not saying "if MK a ripoff off so is everybody", because I staunchly disbelieve that he's a ripoff. As the Moench interview says he was a villain written to oppose the Man Wolf (I think that's what he was called). It's not like he's Deadpool who was a blatant Deathstroke ripoff (Leifeld calls it an homage).  "

Good point there...I remember reading that interview too
Posted by JonesDeini
@batman_is_god:  
"Created by artist Rob Liefeld and writer Fabian Nicieza, Deadpool made his first appearance in the pages of New Mutants #98 published in February 1991. Rob Liefeld, a fan of the Teen Titans comics, showed his new character to then writer Fabian Nicieza. Upon seeing the costume and noting his characteristics (killer with super agility), Nicieza contacted Liefeld, saying "this is Deathstroke from Teen Titans." 
 
I can't find it, but I've seen an interview where he admits it wasn't a parody,admits he jacked Deathstroke. And Moon Knight and Batman are different, very in my sight.       
Posted by entropy_aegis
@JonesDeini:
The reason why dd and punisher arent viewed as ripoffs is cause while having similarities they also have certain defining differences,matt is blind and uses a radar sense,and punisher freely walks around without a mask killing people and using guns to do it
,what difference does moon knight have?
Posted by JonesDeini
@entropy_aegis said:
" @JonesDeini: The reason why dd and punisher arent viewed as ripoffs is cause while having similarities they also have certain defining differences,matt is blind and uses a radar sense,and punisher freely walks around without a mask killing people and using guns to do it,what difference does moon knight have? "
Not to be a dick, but I pointed out my reasons in my blog. If those weren't enough than clearly we disagree, folk. 
Posted by batman_is_god
@JonesDeini said:
" @batman_is_god:  
"Created by artist Rob Liefeld and writer Fabian Nicieza, Deadpool made his first appearance in the pages of New Mutants #98 published in February 1991. Rob Liefeld, a fan of the Teen Titans comics, showed his new character to then writer Fabian Nicieza. Upon seeing the costume and noting his characteristics (killer with super agility), Nicieza contacted Liefeld, saying "this is Deathstroke from Teen Titans."  I can't find it, but I've seen an interview where he admits it wasn't a parody,admits he jacked Deathstroke. And Moon Knight and Batman are different, very in my sight.        "

I already knew that about Wade and Slade. You forgot to mention their names being similiar as well. However, Deadpool, both in powers and in character, is very different from Deathstroke. Very rarely do people point out their similiarities or call Wade a rip-off, and everyone on the site knows about both of them. Moon Knight mimics Batman in every way one could mimic Batman, with only enough changes to avoid copyright infringement. This is far from the first forum defending him. The similiarities between these two are even greater than Sentry and Superman. If anyone in the history of rip-offs (not parodies) is a rip-off, it's Moon Knight.
 
Seriously, if Moon Knight is not a rip-off,  no one is.
Posted by i.aint.wit.it
@JonesDeini: I agree with the blog. I was one of those people that thought he was a lame rip off of Batman, till I read Vengeance of the Moon Knight and was blown away. He's actually pretty bad*ss and is his own man. He has a few similarities with the Bats but they aren't to major. I really hope they continue the vengeance volume tho!
Posted by JonesDeini
@i.aint.wit.it said:
" @JonesDeini: I agree with the blog. I was one of those people that thought he was a lame rip off of Batman, till I read Vengeance of the Moon Knight and was blown away. He's actually pretty bad*ss and is his own man. He has a few similarities with the Bats but they aren't to major. I really hope they continue the vengeance volume tho! "
Hopefully Bendis will get his groove back when he starts writing him in January. 
Posted by JonesDeini

@ Bats 
Then no one is a ripoff lol

Posted by Billy Batson
@JonesDeini: Don't forget about the Black Panther.
Posted by JonesDeini
@Billy Batson:  
As a street level hero? Well he currently is, but I don't see him in the same vein as Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, et. al because crime didn't directly make him into what he is.