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@Babs said:
" @Joey Ravn said: 
I think it has come a long way from where it had been 10 years ago. I think that DC in particular has made tremendous strides in their portrayal of female characters- which is why when I read Wonder Woman in Greg Rucka or Gail Simone's series I am not bothered by the fact that she's running around in boots and a bikini because her written characterization is SO powerful.   "
I understand where you're coming from, because I know you know the character really well. But then again, what happens when you are dealing with casual comic book readers? That's what worries me the most, not the educated reader who is the one to bring up this discussion in the first place, but the sporadic passerby who takes the characters "as is". I think DC has a golden opportunity to show these newcomers, and even people who have grown seeing characters like WW from a distance, that there is more to WW than her looks. Again, comic books are mainly a visual medium, that's why many lay people think that the superhero genre is aimed at kids, because of the "goofy" and "flashy" costumes. If you can show a character that looks powerful and, let's say, "serious", then you can easily reinforce that personality through your writing and the reader will probably accept it more easily too. 
 
I really like how Garth Ennis works with these issues in The Boys, the way Starlight has to deal with the pressure imposed on her public image from entering The Seven and how Maeve (who is basically a deconstructed Wonder Woman ertsatz) prevents Vaught-American from making her wear a thong. A quite effective way to denounce this situation, I think.
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The "big reveal" in this issue was indeed quite big and revealing :P I'm really curious about the direction Johns will take GL and the rest of the DCU by extension. So far, he's been doing a great job, and it doesn't seem he'll stop doing it.

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@Xavier St. Cloud said:
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They really should have picked a better test subject than Wonder Woman, it is just not in her character to change this much... I agree with you, to a point... Its just the wrong character to do this with... Fill in the hole on Power Girls cheast... But don't mess with WW. "
The way I see it, WW is a character that can do well in either her traditional and her new costume. I mean, it's not that her new look is a full-body burka. She's still very feminine and sexy, and yet powerful and imposing. But if you ask me, personally, I rather see in her new suit than in the classic one. I still think that, to the general public who doesn't know the character as well as you, Babs or even me (and I admit it, I'm far from being an expert on WW), what they see first is the way she is dressed, not her personality. Comic books are a primarly-visual medium, and overcoming a first impression is not something easy to do.
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@Babs said:
" Sooo...a girl can't be secure and confident in herself if she is wearing something sexy? Isn't there a difference between sexual objectification/gratuitous sexualization and just wearing something sexy? Since I am sort of a feminist, should I start wearing long sleeves and pants to the beach? Should I wear a brown burlap bag out and about, stop doing my hair, quit with the makeup?  "
Don't get me wrong. Really, when did I say that Diana is not confident in herself? Where did I say she should wear long sleeves and pants to the beach? Where did I say you, or any other woman, should wear a brown burlap bag out and about? Where did I even mention doing your hair and wearing make-up? You are putting words in my mouth that I never said. In fact, my comment was aiming to the polar opposite: you don't need to show skin to have a powerful female character. Sure, if you want to, go ahead, the same way you can choose to wear a snuggie if you want. But I find it hard to believe that the general image of female characters in comic books has been traditionally associated with sex appeal,  and submission. I just don't see why taking steps to disassociate womanhood in comic books with those treats is a bad thing. You can be sexy, powerful and independent without the need to go around in a swimsuit. And I'm not just talking about Wonder Woman. Mind you: I am not saying being "sexy" is bad, at all. What I'm criticizing is the traditional use of the female body in comic books.
  
You tell me you are a feminist (and, by the way, I contribute to the Gender Studies area of my college, so please, don't think I'm being a male chauvinist for disagreeing with you), so tell me, honestly: do you truly believe the position of female characters, and the way the have been and are portrayed, is fair?
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@Xavier St. Cloud said:

" Why do people want Heros to put clothes on??? This is DC, not Marvel... Costume is not a dirty word... Yeah, because Logan looks so F'ing cool, in his Canandian Tuxedo? I don't understand... Its not like the new outfit looks bad... Hell it could even be something Diana wears off duty... But it is not a Super Hero Costume... Real Super Heros do Not were Outfit's as costumes!!! Thats the problem... How pissed I will be if Captain America starts wearing street clothes... Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are iconic, and should not be messed with. Her costume has changed alot over the years as it is... She does not wear Granny Panties any more... I saw someone throw that term around on here... More like booty shorts... and what the hell is wrong with booty shorts... I love me some booty shorts.  I am just saying, black leather pants... Really? A red leather corset... Really?  So when did Diana, become Elektra?  "

The problem is that WW's traditional costume, however iconic it may be, perpetuates a very sexualizing and objectifying image of women in comic books. Maybe you've grown accostumed to it like Blindside002 (and to a certain extent, I must admit I'm guilty of this too), but you just can't deny that that costume is meant to "show skin". As time went by and morals got laxer and laxer, her skirt dimished to the point it disappeared altogether and became a one-piece. All those characters you mention are men. Do you imagine them running around in a male version of WW's costume? Showing legs and armpits and crotches? Why is it normal for a woman's suit to accentuate her breats but not for a man's uniform to bulk his "package"? Double standards, if you ask me.
 
I welcome the change. I like the new costume, I think it looks quite good. I could do without the jacket, but it doesn't bother me much. 
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This was a great and promising start. I absolutely loved this issue, especially the "realistic" approach to the story. The paparazzi bothering the Els like if they were celebs, so good, so modern. 4.5/5 for me.

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Yes, you are right. I can't understand how I got them mixed up, since putting them in contrast was the whole point of my review :P I guess I got carried away when I was writing it. Thanks for pointing it out, I corrected it already.

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@Gylan Thomas said:

" How'd lois fit into this? "

Lois? Lois Lane? She wouldn't :P Read the issue if you want to find out, or if you don't mind the spoilers...  
 
Edit: Crap. I can't put the spoiler tag correctly. If you want to read the spoilers, I'll send you a PM.
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I *loved* this issue. After the (what I think was a) borefest of the Nightwing/Flamebird storyline, this came as a breath of fresh air. I can't wait to see where Lex and Paul Cornell take us. 
 
Great review, BTW ;)

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I'm sorry, but I can't agree with your review. Yes, it wasn't the best issue overall, but it's far from being the cheap nothing you present it as. The whole point of Brightest Day (the 26-issue limited series, I mean) is to be read as a whole, not individually. As chapters of a big book with many characters and plotlines, not as a self-contained issue. If you approach the series this way, this issue doesn't have most of the elements you are criticizing. And about the cover... I think it is much more than just a hook for readers to buy the issue. Based on what we've seen with Firestorm so far (especially with Ronnie), the BL Firestorm cover can be much more revealing in hindsight. 
 
Again, I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying that this is not the way I see this issue. No disrespect meant.