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#1 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1462 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, it really sucks that YNCG is gone. He was one of my favorite Viners :(

Someone kindly PM me to tell me what happened?

Me too.

#2 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1462 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow......what happened and why is everyone being so mean?

IDK. I tried to find out, but failed. I'm pretty sure it revolves around the conversation going on here:

It spans a few pages, has several deleted posts, and is entirely impossible to make out without any insight.

#3 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1462 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, just stopped on the site for some info and decided to check up on old friends, see if they were still even on the sight. Was not expecting stuff like this. Very sad.

#4 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1462 posts) - - Show Bio


#5 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1462 posts) - - Show Bio

That picture of the guy giving the sandals to the girl was on my retreat.

#6 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1462 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Many people dont change faiths or break away from it all together.So many people are just indoctrinated into it and never even think outside of what their own faith tells them what to think.Many cant.

Thats a few people you know thousands of others dont.I Faith is based on nothing but belief and many people ignore facts and evidence because of their religion.

Thats not true at all.We dont need religion to be good or to do the right thing,nor do we need it to live in a fair society.I myself dont do good things because an ancient text tells me to,or for reward or fear of burning in hell.But because it is the right thing to do.But yet people deny certain people rights,kill people who do not agree with their religion,and they do such things all in the name of their religion and god.

Religion can have such an effect and control people in such ways to commit terrible acts with the belief they are appeasing there god and therefore are a good person and will descend to their gods heaven for doing such.It stops people from thinking for themselves and keep people in the dark.

That is true. However, it is true for everything, whether that be religion, a lack thereof, or just a political or social belief. If parents believe in a god or do not, their kids are just as likely to follow them either way. Just as they would be if they were of a certain political party or thought you shouldn't kiss on the first date.

Blind faith would then be bad in any case. In political leaders, in science, and in religion. How many people actually make sure that their politicians are doing what they want them to do? Not many at all, but most trust them to do it. How many people have tested the gravitational constant F = (-Gm1m2)/r^2. Very few. The math holds true, but that's blind faith in mathematics. We blindly trust this principle to hold us onto the earth instead of finding our own means of doing so in case it should fail or not exist as we perceive it. How many people have tested the theory of relativity, or kinematic equations? I've personally seen the latter work, but never has anyone seen the prior in action. We just trust that it's true because the math works. However, most people don't test it for themselves and just accept it. That's blind faith in what someone else tells them is true. In fact often times they are told that by someone who says that someone else said it was true (i.e. teacher tells student what Einstein discovered.). At least when someone tells me of a personal experience I'm getting it from the primary source. Now, I trust science. I am in no way saying that people should not. I am merely point out that the even greater majority of people just accept science for what people tell them it is.

I'm not saying you need to be religious to be a good person. That's not my intent at all, in fact that is very untrue if I did say that. I"m saying from a logical standpoint there is little reason to. We are going to die, and that is it. Why should we bother worrying about other people's problems? They should fend for themselves. Why should a mother be sad when her son dies because of a drug addiction? If anything, he made her life hell. She should be glad he's gone and that she can get on with her life. The only reason to be kind to anyone would be to develop a mutually beneficial relationship. It makes more sense to exploit people and take what we want to make us happy. Our primal urges tell us to, and our primal urges should make us happy. So logically, if there was a chance to take over the world and force everybody else to serve us, regardless of their treatment, we should take it. Now that doesn't mean that it's logical to try to cause others to suffer, but it does mean that we shouldn't really care.

That's true of anything. Wars have been started by lies. Manipulation is the real weapon. One can twist a friend or subordinate into doing something horrible for their own personal gain. A woman can seduce a man to get him to do something for her. It's all about manipulation, which can be used with anything.

#7 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1462 posts) - - Show Bio

Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis, great book.

#8 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1462 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

"Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."

"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence."

"Blind faith can justify anything. In a man believes in a different god, or even if he uses a different ritual for worshipping the same god, blind faith can decree that he should die - on the cross, at the stake, skewered on a Crusader's sword, shot in a Beirut street, or blown up in a bar in Belfast. Memes for blind faith have their own ruthless ways of propagating themselves. This is true of patriotic and political as well as religious blind faith."

"Faith is powerful enough to immunize people against all appeals to pity, to forgiveness, to decent human feelings. It even immunizes them against fear, if they honestly believe that a martyr's death will send them straight to heaven. What a weapon! Religious faith deserves a chapter to itself in the annals of war technology, on an even footing with the longbow, the warhorse, the tank, and the hydrogen bomb."

Richard Dawkins

I don't believe the first one. I know so many people who have changed faiths, and there are countless in history that sprouted up over the years. While it probably is the majority, I would not say it so overwhelming or even surprising.

No. I've known several people who question their faiths constantly and seek out reasonable answers. I've known many people to lose their faith and come back to it.

Lack of faith can justify anything as well. If there is no god, then what is the point in being moral at all? Why not do whatever we want whenever we want? As long as we're happy and we can avoid trouble, it shouldn't matter. No one should desire to be a good person in that case, unless it makes them happy. They should desire to be the best, the most powerful, and the happiest. Anarchy. This is what the world was once like.

The same is true of politics, nationality, patriotism, friendship, love, desire, and simply differing opinions.


#9 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1462 posts) - - Show Bio

The assassin's creed guy in a Santa suit.

#10 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1462 posts) - - Show Bio