Some really nice points are raised in this thread actually, I am with most of you guys here. Why do writers always think that the only comics family relations are always about to become so f*cked up? Is this the only drama they could have with these endless feuds? But then it doesn't stop with them, it somehow affects the whole universe lol Is this how comics drama should be always written through unhealthy family contentions?
@hopesummersforthefuture:
I disliked that "chaos magic" is Phoenix kryptonite thing. Not that she shut down the X-gene she was also able to make Phoenix stop from reigniting it again? What else? This "chaos magic" thing as ultimate plot device for a lazy explanation for anything illogical is making sick.
@danhimself said:
They might become Phoenix, and not go crazy
and later, found a religion in the far future
to save the life of her little brother,
When Marvel was pushing Hope so damn hard I felt like the whole Mother Askani plot will be finally retconed to be part of "so important Hope" thing, but now I think we can be calm lol
@jmc247 said:
Pietro does want his approval, but also hates him in that deep down he knows he will never get it and Magneto can't stand him because he looks at Pietro and sees only the worst aspects of himself in him. The rashness, arrogance and impulsive, but without the power or the intellect that Magneto has. Lorna is the opposite in that he sees the good aspects of himself in her; the intelligence and power without the negatives he sees in Pietro. With Wanda she basically has taken Anya/Magda position as the person he believes he let down and destroyed because of it.When it comes to Wanda's relationship with him she is fairly schizophrenic on the issue, mainly electing to see her father as a monster who ruined her life, but at times like Children's Crusade realizing that no he actually didn't do that.When it comes to Lorna's view on Magneto well that is fairly bipolar. Its torn between writers who want to view her as a white hat who hates her bad dad and writers who have her view him as the dad she wishes she had, but reality does not match up with her wishes for him.To put it in Avatar terms Pietro is somewhat like Zuko and Lorna is somewhat like Azula in so far as their view of their father and his view of them, but yes some writers have wildly different takes on their relationships.
Nice synopsis (no sarcasm) of what Magnus tribe should have always been, too bad you rationalize something that is so irrational. Really. Magneto's background, from his childhood to the death of his daughter, from his wife's abandonment to his another bloody history with CIA, from meeting Xavier and finally becoming Magneto (the way Claremont streamlined it), for me is the most symbolic and powerful fictional background ever written, not just in comics, but in overall. Yet, his character evolution since Claremont was executed baldly, he has become just a shell of what he represent (what humanity can do to a man) not many writers could actually handle and make it progress, bear that bitter yet beautiful metaphor to remind us what we are doing here, because the last time I checked, we (humanity) are still that sh*tty species. Then, we have his children that for all the flaws of Magneto's personality and his overwhelming symbolism as a character, just couldn't live out of his shadow. At least, that's what writers make us believe in. The whole HOM was built on that, even when it had nothing to do with Magnus, he was still somehow found guilty. So just because that man had an awful life, he constantly get punished just because he had "THE X-villain" title? What a pathetic and lazy explanation for the event.
I am really sick of these constant complains "daddy this daddy that", demonizing him and blaming him for all the sh*t in their life. We cannot argue, Classic Magneto was nuts yet classic days are over and we want our stories to go on. I guess I blame his children characters that they are actually holding him back (literally) as a character. And the only reason they are interesting for me is actually because they ARE Magneto's children. I just want something new than "Daddy you f*cked us up, you are the reason of our all suffering!!!!!!" sh*t I'm tired of, because if it isn't happening right now, it will in the end. Again (x983).
Now, when you mentioned Children Crusade (one of the crappiest "events" I've ever read actually), I have that problem with Magneto being so polite with Wanda and the rest of the family act so odd in the end like nothing happened before and they all can now live a happy life. lolz
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