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@butterflykyss said:
@pyrofn said:
@butterflykyss: 1) A limitation Jean overcame once she had the right information. Afterwards she solo’d everybody in one fell swoop.
2) Unless Storm is creating the radiation out of thin air or is bringing it from somewhere else, it is irrelevant to this battle.
3) Either that or the telepaths that overtook Storm are greater than whoever was in Black Panther.
4) Doubt doesn’t mean incapable. Jean was taking no chances because for all intent and purpose, Legion X is a fusion of two of the most powerful mutants in the world. If Jeans aim was to hurt him, Jean probably could have. She brought X-Man to his knees and she and Psylocke could easily mind-rape thousands of Legion powered Multiple Man dupes and mind-rape Legion. And Jean was obviously doing the heavy lifting since Psylocke couldn’t sift through all the dupes until Jean arrived.
5) Regardless of why, Jean never attempted anything. For all we know, Jean could have attacked the open parts of Storms mind.
Bogan scans?
1. and yet she wasnt able to the same uncanny issue 9 and 10.
2. radiation hits the earth every day via the sun it wouldnt be out of thin air.
3. perhaps but I think it's just writers not doin there homework.
4. if Jean could have hurt him she would have with x-legion
5. jean even said she couldn't go deeper because of the static in her head. that's indication she couldnt do x-legion.
@del_torro said:
Let's go over recent times where storms telepathy resistance has done nothing.
-Mesmero making her see illusions in Xmen gold
-Rachel knocking her out in Xmen gold
-Cassandra Nova controlling her in Xmen red
-Mindblast knocking her out in search for Wolverine
-Nate grey controlling her in Disassembled
-The twins implanting memories in her mind, using empathy to control her emotions and turning her into a hound that serves Ahab in Extermination
-Jean entering her mind to undo Cassandra novas manipulation
-Bloody Mary trapping her in an illusion in Typhoid Fever
-Shadow king controlling her in amazing Xmen
-Emma making her see illusions of cyclops being alive in DOX
-Xorna Jean knocking her out with telepathy in Battle of the Atom
The first 8 were all last year, but she had one resistance feat in Black panther, so everything else should be ignored.
I didn't even dig deeper to later years, where we have things like Dino Rachel controlling storm.
And quit using that Jean scan as a defense feat for God's sake. They're not even in a bar, they're in jeans mind. They're in a construct in jeans mind, where Jean is making storm see, smell, taste, hear and feel whatever she wants. How is this a Telepathy defense feat.
You only have few feats from over a decade ago, when the last 10 years have consistently shown stop getting affected by telepathy.
1. and all those examples include just about all mutants for that matter. and no it shouldn't be ignored as it is actually consistent with how she has been portrayed previously. it's an example of a writer doing his homework. you simply wish to ignore them because it is evidence that storm can withstand jean mental attacks.
2. and it most certainly can be used as jean herself said she couldnt probe deeper because of her static.
Wait, so psychic attacks working on storm don't count because they worked on other people too? The makes absolutely no sense. The feats are canon and they have been happening a lot, and recently. They outrank old scans that you dig up. You're the one ignoring evidence and saying, that it doesn't count because it happened to other mutants
@storm_calling said:
@del_torro said:
Let's go over recent times where storms telepathy resistance has done nothing.
-Mesmero making her see illusions in Xmen gold
-Rachel knocking her out in Xmen gold
-Cassandra Nova controlling her in Xmen red
-Mindblast knocking her out in search for Wolverine
-Nate grey controlling her in Disassembled
-The twins implanting memories in her mind, using empathy to control her emotions and turning her into a hound that serves Ahab in Extermination
-Jean entering her mind to undo Cassandra novas manipulation
-Bloody Mary trapping her in an illusion in Typhoid Fever
-Shadow king controlling her in amazing Xmen
-Emma making her see illusions of cyclops being alive in DOX
-Xorna Jean knocking her out with telepathy in Battle of the Atom
The first 8 were all last year, but she had one resistance feat in Black panther, so everything else should be ignored.
I didn't even dig deeper to later years, where we have things like Dino Rachel controlling storm.
And quit using that Jean scan as a defense feat for God's sake. They're not even in a bar, they're in jeans mind. They're in a construct in jeans mind, where Jean is making storm see, smell, taste, hear and feel whatever she wants. How is this a Telepathy defense feat.
You only have few feats from over a decade ago, when the last 10 years have consistently shown stop getting affected by telepathy.
Gold = Trash and full of continuity issues. So that's two down that don't count. Also, Storm wasn't actively trying to resist her or Mesmero, which constitutes these as surprise attacks. Faithful John tried the same thing in W&TX, and Storm beat him.
Cassandra used Nanites to control Storm's mind. Not telepathy. So this actually counts as a telepathic resistance feat for Storm since Cassandra didn't think she could control Storm's mind on her own(unlike Rachel). - Three down.
Mindblast= Surprise attack from Mystery in Madripoor. It's already been established that surprise psi blast work on her, but not when she's prepared. They've worked on Jean as well. - Four down.
That was Nate Grey and Legion fused together = Telepathy more powerful than Jean's. So that instance is irrelevant to this battle. - Five down.
Whatever the Twins have isn't telepathy = and Jean was shown to be potentially vulnerable to it as well.
Jean extracting a thought from a nanite controlled Storm = Not viable. Storm wasn't in her right mind and her resistance involves her actively resisting with her own willpower and electrical powers.
Typhoid Mary was amplified and more powerful than Jean = Not viable. Jean also fell victim to this control and needed to be teleported out of range to break the hold. Storm was never given this luxury.
Shadow king controlling her in amazing Xmen = He was controlling her motor functions, not her mind. And he had to do this after he knocked her out with a surprise attack. Also this control was broken. So it doesn't work against her either way.
Storm wasn't in a battle with Emma in IvX = Not viable.
Xorna Jean was again a surprise attack = and It was effective against everyone. Including Jeen at the time.
Dino Rachel was not controlling her mind. She bypassed her consciousness after Storm was put to sleep to access her powers manually. Storm was still showing that she could resist this and it left an opening for Psylocke to use her psiblade on her. So again, not viable.
Calcabrina, Psychoman, Faithful John, The Anansi, Shadow King(numerous times) and Cassandra Nova all happened within the last 10 years and proves her telepathic resistance is still apart of her current skillset.
1- Gold is trash but it is canon. We are not going to ignore the feats just because You don't like it. Typhoid fever is trash for Jean but I ont ignore it, Aaron's Thor is task for Odinson but I don't ignore it, Gold is trash for Rachel but I don't ignore it. Stop cherry picking. Gold feats are canon an they show storm getting affected by telepathy a lot.so Rachel dropping her and Mesmero making her see illusions are still valid
2-Read the comic again, Cassandra put a psychic suggestion in Storms min to protect wakanda. Jean entered storms mind an removed the psychic suggestion. The nanites is what Mae storm almost commit suicide
3-oh no, a surprise psi blast. And it knocked storm out. Wonder what her innate psychic immunity was doing. It doesn't matter if this is surprise, this is a feat of storm getting dropped by a nobody telepath
4-yes x-legion is stronger than Jean. But it is still a valid feat of storm gettin get min controlled despite her overhyped psychic immunity and indomitable Will
5-still a feat of storm getting put in an illusion. Which Jean freed her from. Jean also shut down Mary, but is a pacifist and wanted to save her
6-controling her motor functions is still a telepathic feat, so I don't know what you're going on about. Also he controlled for a long time, before nightcrawler helped her gain resolve. If he wanted to, he could have taken her out, BM UT he likes playing with his food
7-lol,its still a feat of storms mind getting affected by telepathy, illusions can be use in battle bro.
8-Xorna Jean shut down storm casually . that's all. Storms telepathy defenses could do nothing
9-faithful affected storms min with telepathy and was making her relive her claustrophobia memory. If he wants to, he could have killed her then, but he was wasting time till she gained resolve and broke free. Still, it's a feat of storm not being immune to telepathy
10-the powers of the twins. Controlling your emotions to make you feel happy, sad or angry. Implanting memories, erasing memories, setting up a timer for implanted memories to activate. This are telepathic abilities man. And two 12 year old used them on storm. Also, Jean has all this powers and has use them before. Example being the end of extermination where she took away the 05 memory and set them to activate later. So, since we know this works on storm, Jean could make storm her loyal hound
Storm is not immune to telepathy. Jean can pull her into the astral plane plane or her mind. Storm has no resistance to that
Jean could make her fight illusions. Stop has no resistance to that
Jean could take control of her motor functions
Jean could wipe her memories, leaving her blank
Jean could make her sleep
Jean could control emotions and make her in love with jean
Jean could make her a loyal hound
Jean could drain her mind of psionic energy and kill her
Jean could trap her mind in a loop
We haven't talked about pink astral mode that can solo armies of Kree, or her psionic constructs that can beat multiple teams of Xmen at the same time. Or her telekinesis that can easily snap necks, blow up brains and etc
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