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#1  Edited By Jetshade
@Godabed:  First off, I want to apologize for the condescending tone of my initial post. I've dealt with enough Storm fanatics on these boards who insist that Storm can beat the likes of Dr Manhattan, Galactus, etc, that I've grown both weary and wary of them. If Storm can really beat anybody then why is she not undefeated in comics. She loses fights nearly as often as she wins and I hope you are reasonable enough to acknowledge this. 
 
I lack the time to respond in full to everything you just wrote, but much of your argument seems to hinge on Rogue's old powers as an example of Ms Marvel's power level. I addressed this in a previous post, but perhaps you missed it: Th at is an obsolete comparison. The current Ms Marvel is far more powerful than the one that was absorbed by Rogue back in the 1980's. Rogue never had the power to project and absorb all types of energy, and she was slower (Mach-1) and weaker (could lift 50 tons). The current Ms Marvel is more than three times faster and over 50 percent stronger, and those are just her base numbers -- she can increase them if she absorbs additional energy. Not to mention that she can now fire photon blasts and absorb and utilize the energy of a nuclear explosion.   
 
You cite that Storm can act more quickly than Ms Marvel since her powers work with the speed of thought. But thinking and physical manifestation of the weather are two different things. Ms Marvel powers (such as photon blasts) work with the speed of thought too, and are far faster than any wind current. The only power that Storm has that can match that speed would be lightning strikes, but those would be a mistake. Ms Marvel can absorb that energy and use it to increase her power level. 

You also cite Storm being familiar with Ms Marvel's powers due to Carol having once been with the X-Men. For one thing, Carol did not have any powers when she was with the X-Men because they had been stolen by Rogue. For another, why can't this knowledge work the same in reverse? Shouldn't Carol also be just as familiar with Storm's powers? The advantage is negated by mutual knowledge.  
 
I do not deny Storm's power level. I think she's very powerful and yes I've read the comics too including many of the examples you listed. However, I just don't think she matches up well with a character that possesses great superhuman strength, speed, agility, reflexes, invulnerability, flight, photon blasts, and the ability to absorb practically any type of energy. This just isn't a good matchup for Storm and I think she loses this fight most of the time. I don't see that you've convinced anyone otherwise.  
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#2  Edited By Jetshade
@butterflykyss said:

hmmmm honestly storm is outclassed here even if you take out speedblitz.

Right on. :) 
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#3  Edited By Jetshade
@butterflykyss: Godabed has never even said that Storm could take Ms Marvel. Essentially he has only said that Storm is a fast flyer.  
 
And as far as using Rogue old powers as an argument, that is an obsolete comparison. The current Ms Marvel is far more powerful than the one that was absorbed by Rogue back in the 1980's. Rogue never had the power to project and absorb energy, and she was slower (Mach-1) and weaker (could lift 50 tons). The current Ms Marvel can exceed speeds of Mach-3 and can lift 75 tons. And those are just her base numbers -- she can increase them if she absorbs additional energy. Not to mention that she can now fire photon blasts and absorb and utilize the energy of a nuclear explosion.   
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#4  Edited By Jetshade

@Godabed: You've refuted nothing I've said, have done nothing to prove that Storm actually possesses inherent superhuman speed, agility, or reflexes, and you say you've won the argument? Whatever. Dismiss physics and real-life facts all you want, wind cannot move faster than the speed of sound no matter how it's being manipulated. On top of that, Storm can't generate any super-speed on her own. Whether this contest is on the ground or in the air, Ms Marvel is far faster, period. Ms Marvel also has superhuman agility (Storm does not), superhuman reflexes (Storm does not), and superhuman invulnerability (Storm does not). That, and her superhuman strength, give her all the advantages she needs. You have also not given any reason why Storm wins this fight -- just that she can fly faster than some people think. So who is the one without an argument?

Go ahead, give us a plausible explanation why Storm would win here. You'll note that no one has really agreed with you so far.

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#5  Edited By Jetshade
@Godabed:  
(*sigh* Storm lovers... *shakes head*) Go look up Storm's powers again. Superhuman speed is NOT one of them. Ms Marvel, on the other hand, DOES possess inherent superhuman speed. She can move at least 3 times faster than the speed of sound, which is 2,304 miles per hour or 3,378 feet per second. In other words, Ms Marvel could hit Storm before Storm could even blink. This is academic. 
 
As for the flight example you mentioned, Storm can only fly fast -- and only as fast as the wind can carry her. The fastest known wind speed on Earth is 320 miles per hour, recorded in the heart of a tornado in Oklahoma on May 3, 1999. That is well below the speed of sound, which wind speed physically can't even approach. Ms Marvel can fly over seven times faster than the fastest wind speed. Because she actually possesses superhuman agility and reflexes (unlike Storm), Ms Marvel can also turn on a dime in mid-air and doesn't have to rely on wind currents for maneuverability. Again, academic. Ms Marvel curbstomps.
 
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#6  Edited By Jetshade

Here's what I don't get: In one month, PG went from having her own title (sales weren't setting the world on fire, but it was doing better than some other titles that were renewed) to being a supporting character for a marginal Mr. Terrific title that has early cancellation written all over it. Nothing against him, but who really believed that Mr. Terrific could carry his own title to begin with? Why not continue the Power Girl title, which at least had a readership, and have Mr. Terrific as a supporting character? It doesn't make sense. Then again, a lot of DC's recent decisions don't make sense to me.

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#7  Edited By Jetshade
@Hus: 
No problem. :)
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#8  Edited By Jetshade
@Hus: 
 In Ivy's original (Silver Age) incarnation, she had normal flesh-toned skin. After her origin was ret-conned in the Modern Age, Ivy's skin became green due to the plant toxins that had been injected into her. This gave her the power to draw energy from sunlight like plants do, because her physiology had become more plant-like. Even more recently, Ivy has learned to control the chlorophyll level in her skin, so she can change her skin color back to normal if she wants to appear human, though she has said that it requires concentration to do so. So that explains why you still sometimes see her with normal flesh tones. Anyway, I hope that helps answer all your questions. Her normal skin tone is green, but like a chameleon, she can change it to flesh tone if she wishes.
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#9  Edited By Jetshade
@fivestarga: 
I'm not going to worry about it until we can actually read more about her in this new reboot. Recently (in Gotham City Sirens) Ivy gained control over her skin pigmentation, so she can change her skin color from green to normal flesh tone if she wants to appear human. So she could still have green skin and the flesh tone was simply how she was choosing to look at the moment. We just don't know yet.  
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#10  Edited By Jetshade

It looks like someone deleted Poison Ivy's main image gallery. By that I mean the one that collected all of her 'canon' images from the comics. As the main wiki contributor to her page I am perplexed by this. Can someone please enlighten me as to the reasoning behind this decision? Or was it simply a mistake? It is going to take a lot of work to go through her 900+ images and reassemble her main gallery. >:(