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#1 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedisupermaster said:

2. No proof precognition vanishes when Sharingan evolves in MS? Ok.

3. Kabuto was controlling him there. Thats the point.

5. Again - prove Itachi can outrun it. Before that, ST+CB = Itachi is done.

Itachi cant fight for long. he cant sustain his Susanoo for long. And he has no counter to aither ST, or CT. CT is already enough to counter Itachi.

  1. So Black Zetsu was just lying to white zetsu? Why would he do that? Also the Yata mirror was able to block Orochimaru's snakes so it isn't featless. Shinra tensei couldn't even stop a 6 tailed Naruto.. I'm pretty sure stopping 3 giant snake heads is a good defense feat. Those things are humongous and might be comparable in strength to 6 tailed Naruto.
  2. The sharingan doesn't even grant precognition... Precognition is like a spider-sense. The sharingan is able to detect and predict the movements of their opponents before they make them. It's kind of like seeing/predicting what they're gonna do before they do it. That's not precognition.
  3. That could help my case. Kabuto wanted to end the fight fast so that's why he used chibaku tensei. Nagato doesn't use that in character as his first move. Especially since it needs time to charge it and create it.
  4. Lol. Shinra tensei won't even one-shot Itachi. It couldn't even one-shot Hinata. Itachi is fast enough to outrun it. He could jump from rock to rock if the ground under him gets sucked in. I doubt it's that hard to out-run. It happens so slowly.

Itachi has genjutsu that Nagato can't counter (which you still haven't proven otherwise) and he can turn susano'o on and off at lightning speed. He doesn't need to maintain it for hours.

1. He could be wrong. Thats it. And, as i remember, Black Zetsu didnt know about some tools. Also, i wanna see feats from those snakes. He couldnt stop 6 Tails Naruto and Itachi's Susanoo was destroyed by Kirin.

2. I didnt want to be into those details. I think you understood me.

3. Kabuto didnt have the same experience with Rinnegan and its powers as Nagato. And thats the reason why Nagato was staying in the cloud without doing much.

4. Itachi doesnt have speed feats to suggest he can outrun it. And thats stupid to suggest that he can jump from rock to rock. How will it help him when CT is a gravitational force and he will be sucked there with rocks? Why he didnt do such a thing when he fought Edo Nagato?

The only impressive feat Itachi has is reacting to KCM Naruto. Its impressive, but not as impressive as you may think. Because that KCM naruto was weakened by his own clones. It was not the same KCM Naruto who fought Ei.

It couldnt one-shot Hinata becaue i highly doubt Pain used his most powerfull ST on her. His full power ST was so powerfull it could destroy a village.

So here you go - CB and ST. Itachi dies.

#2 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 wins.

#3 Edited by Jedisupermaster (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994 said:

@jedisupermaster said:

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I'm not even going to respond to that first point because I'm not 100% what those acronyms mean. Is ST shinra tensei? What's CP??

The only reason Nagato beat them easily was because Kabuto took complete control of Nagato and made him use his powers to the best of his ability. When Nagato still had some control he couldn't do anything to them whereas Itachi was at least keeping up with them (and they couldn't even tag Itachi either might I add). If Kabuto had taken complete control of Itachi he would have one-shotted both. I mean if he hadn't given Killer Bee advice while fighting him he could have easily ended it right away.

LOL I knew you were pulling stuff out of your a$$. Prove that the mangekyo sharingan has precog. Also I never said he moved at lightning speed. I'm saying he reacted at lightning speed and was able to activate susano'o at that speed. Meaning it's nearly impossible for Itachi to get blitzed faster than he can activate susano'o.

LOL Pain doesn't use city level shinra tensei in character and you know it. Plus it strains him and his power when he does. Chibaku tensei takes time to use and he won't start off using it. Plus, I really don't see what's so special about Chibaku tensei... Couldn't you counter it by just outrunning it? Just get far away enough that it doesn't pull you, or the ground under you, in and then wait until it's formed and then go back to the fight. I personally think the fight would end before Nagato even thought about using it though.

You sound like a child. Repeating that he stomps at the end of all of your points doesn't make it true.

1. Susanoo cant counter ST and Chibaku tensei. Yata Mirror is featless and cant block the attack that destroyed the whole village. And, of course, he cant destroy Chibaku tensei by himself. I dont remember him preparing that attack - i remember him just doing that. And he had more than enough chakra to fight SM Naruto after that.

Black zetsu was the one that said that the yata mirror could block any attack and that it adapts elementally to said attack. He seems pretty credible (considering he was Kaguya's will) so I don't see why it wouldn't be able to block shinra tensei. After he destroyed the hidden leaf village he couldn't use ST or CT for like 30 minutes.

2. Mangekyo Sharingan is an evolved sharingan. Its up to you to prove some of sharingans abilities vanish after it evolves into MS.

Lmao so because it's an evolved sharingan it has precognition? No no no no. You aren't pulling this on me again. YOU MADE THE CLAIM SO YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT. NOT ME.

3. Prove that Kabuto could use all of his abilities to its best level. Kabuto never had a Rinnegan. He didnt have experience with it. And Nagato did way better against KCM Naruto and Killer Bee than Itachi. He has shown better speed.

I'm saying that Kabuto took away Nagato's personality and made him go into zombie kill mode which made him a tougher adversary. He never did that with Itachi. If he did, Itachi could have stomped them too. How has he shown better speed? Are you serious? Itachi actually brawled and went hand to hand with Naruto and Killer Bee, he effortlessly dodged their attacks. All Nagato did was grab Naruto and Killer Bee ONE TIME. The only reason he was able to grab Naruto was because he had an invisible summon that caught him mid-air. That hardly even counts.

4. Read OP before replying to me next time.

5. Prove Itachi has enough speed to outrun it. 6 Tails Naruto couldnt outrun it, as i remember, and was sucked into it.

6 tails Naruto didn't even try to outrun it... He literally just sat there and shot energy beams at it until it sucked him in. He wasn't even in a calm state of mind.

6. Prove Itachi can go underground.

No, because that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

Repeating that he stomps is not a childish act. he realy stomps. Instant ST and than CT.

You do realize that that's just your opinion right? That just because you state it over and over it doesn't become a fact?

Plus, Nagato can escape from his non-visual genjutsu using his pets to wake him up. And again - those pets can make it harder for Itachi to use his genjutsu. And didnt Pain already escaped a genjutsu in his fight with Jiraya? I dont remember that fight.

Lol prove that his mindless summons could do that. Besides, Itachi can make short work of the summons with amaterasu or even a simple fire attack. No, Pain didn't escape. The paths of Pain that were caught in the genjutsu were trapped and Jiraiya killed them but that wasn't all of them. Nagato hid two other paths of Pain and surprise attacked Jiraiya. Then he used the Rinnegan to revive the Paths of Pain that Jiraiya killed. If he hadn't hidden the other paths of Pain and Jiraiya got all of them with the frog song, Pain would have lost. He even admitted that.

1. Black Zetsu's words are not proof of anything at all. He can be wrong. And even he admitted those items Itachi possessed were legendary. Those items are legends with no feats. Unless you can bring here feats, Yata Mirror cant counter ST.

2. No proof precognition vanishes when Sharingan evolves in MS? Ok.

3. Kabuto was controlling him there. Thats the point.

5. Again - prove Itachi can outrun it. Before that, ST+CB = Itachi is done.

Itachi cant fight for long. he cant sustain his Susanoo for long. And he has no counter to aither ST, or CT. CT is already enough to counter Itachi.

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@noone301994 said:

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And ST and CP are not the techniques that can be countered by Itachi in any way.

Nagato beat them both easily, while Itachi had problems with KCM Naruto alone.

Itachi reacted to Kirin thanks to MS precog. And he cant move with lightning speed - it was a jutsu activation.

Shinra tensei and Chibaku Tensei. City level Shinra Tensei will eradicate Itachi (Susanoo or not, yata Mirror wont help him), the same as Chibaku Tensei that was destroyed not only by Itachi's Yasaka Magatama, but also by Naruto's Rasengan and 8 Tails Beast Bomb.

Nagato stomps. Instant Shinra tensei and later Chibaku Tensei - its GG.

I'm not even going to respond to that first point because I'm not 100% what those acronyms mean. Is ST shinra tensei? What's CP??

The only reason Nagato beat them easily was because Kabuto took complete control of Nagato and made him use his powers to the best of his ability. When Nagato still had some control he couldn't do anything to them whereas Itachi was at least keeping up with them (and they couldn't even tag Itachi either might I add). If Kabuto had taken complete control of Itachi he would have one-shotted both. I mean if he hadn't given Killer Bee advice while fighting him he could have easily ended it right away.

LOL I knew you were pulling stuff out of your a$$. Prove that the mangekyo sharingan has precog. Also I never said he moved at lightning speed. I'm saying he reacted at lightning speed and was able to activate susano'o at that speed. Meaning it's nearly impossible for Itachi to get blitzed faster than he can activate susano'o.

LOL Pain doesn't use city level shinra tensei in character and you know it. Plus it strains him and his power when he does. Chibaku tensei takes time to use and he won't start off using it. Plus, I really don't see what's so special about Chibaku tensei... Couldn't you counter it by just outrunning it? Just get far away enough that it doesn't pull you, or the ground under you, in and then wait until it's formed and then go back to the fight. I personally think the fight would end before Nagato even thought about using it though.

You sound like a child. Repeating that he stomps at the end of all of your points doesn't make it true.

1. Susanoo cant counter ST and Chibaku tensei. Yata Mirror is featless and cant block the attack that destroyed the whole village. And, of course, he cant destroy Chibaku tensei by himself. I dont remember him preparing that attack - i remember him just doing that. And he had more than enough chakra to fight SM Naruto after that.

2. Mangekyo Sharingan is an evolved sharingan. Its up to you to prove some of sharingans abilities vanish after it evolves into MS.

3. Prove that Kabuto could use all of his abilities to its best level. Kabuto never had a Rinnegan. He didnt have experience with it. And Nagato did way better against KCM Naruto and Killer Bee than Itachi. He has shown better speed.

4. Read OP before replying to me next time.

5. Prove Itachi has enough speed to outrun it. 6 Tails Naruto couldnt outrun it, as i remember, and was sucked into it.

6. Prove Itachi can go underground.

Repeating that he stomps is not a childish act. he realy stomps. Instant ST and than CT.

Plus, Nagato can escape from his non-visual genjutsu using his pets to wake him up. And again - those pets can make it harder for Itachi to use his genjutsu. And didnt Pain already escaped a genjutsu in his fight with Jiraya? I dont remember that fight.

#5 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedisupermaster said:

@noone301994 said:

Exactly, so that means that not anyone with a simple Sharingan can resist Itachi's genjutsu. Especially someone like Kakashi that CAN resist from powerful users like Obito. A lot of ur points are based on baseless assumptions and ABC logic.. "Sasuke resisted Itachi's genjutsu with a simple sharingan, therefore, Nagato can resist too b/c Rinnegan > 3 Tomoe Sharingan." It's really not that simple...

Show me it. I'm not looking for it. Again, you made the claim so you have to provide the evidence. Why should I be the one to find it? Even if you somehow do prove that Rinnegan can counter all visual genjutsu (even though there's absolutely no evidence of that in the manga) Itachi can use his Dusk Crow Genjutsu that he used on Naruto: "This genjutsu traps a victim in a powerful illusion with no necessary eye contact"

What does instant SH and CB even mean?

Its the same, because Rinnegan is a far more powerfull dodjutsu than a sharingan. And realy, read Fourth Databook. Rinnegan is immune to Visual Genjutsu. I havent read it miself, but there is an information about it in narutopedia with a link to Fourth databook. I am sure it wont be there without a reason.

Nagato also has better speed and reaction, seeing as he dominated both Bee and KCM naruto effortlessly.

And tell me how Itachi is gonna counter ST and CT.

Lol you haven't read it yourself and you don't even know if it's in there, but take your word for it? No thanks. Btw Itachi's Dusk Crow Genjutsu isn't a visual genjutsu.

Lol that's literally the only feats of speed and reaction that Nagato has and Itachi kept up with Killer Bee and Naruto too. That means nothing. Itachi's reacted to lightning.

Enough with the acronyms! What does ST, CT, SH, CB mean???

And ST and CP are not the techniques that can be countered by Itachi in any way.

Nagato beat them both easily, while Itachi had problems with KCM Naruto alone.

Itachi reacted to Kirin thanks to MS precog. And he cant move with lightning speed - it was a jutsu activation.

Shinra tensei and Chibaku Tensei. City level Shinra Tensei will eradicate Itachi (Susanoo or not, yata Mirror wont help him), the same as Chibaku Tensei that was destroyed not only by Itachi's Yasaka Magatama, but also by Naruto's Rasengan and 8 Tails Beast Bomb.

Nagato stomps. Instant Shinra tensei and later Chibaku Tensei - its GG.

#6 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

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And Kakashi, who resisted his genjutsu, wasnt able to resist a genjutsu from Itachi. And really, is that hard to control Kurama?

Fourth Databook. Read it. Itachi cant affect him with a visual genjutsu.

And Nagato stomps with instant SH and CB after that. Thats how Nagato stomps.

Exactly, so that means that not anyone with a simple Sharingan can resist Itachi's genjutsu. Especially someone like Kakashi that CAN resist from powerful users like Obito. A lot of ur points are based on baseless assumptions and ABC logic.. "Sasuke resisted Itachi's genjutsu with a simple sharingan, therefore, Nagato can resist too b/c Rinnegan > 3 Tomoe Sharingan." It's really not that simple...

Show me it. I'm not looking for it. Again, you made the claim so you have to provide the evidence. Why should I be the one to find it? Even if you somehow do prove that Rinnegan can counter all visual genjutsu (even though there's absolutely no evidence of that in the manga) Itachi can use his Dusk Crow Genjutsu that he used on Naruto: "This genjutsu traps a victim in a powerful illusion with no necessary eye contact"

It's technically not a visual jutsu.

What does instant SH and CB even mean?

Its the same, because Rinnegan is a far more powerfull dodjutsu than a sharingan. And realy, read Fourth Databook. Rinnegan is immune to Visual Genjutsu. I havent read it miself, but there is an information about it in narutopedia with a link to Fourth databook. I am sure it wont be there without a reason.

Nagato also has better speed and reaction, seeing as he dominated both Bee and KCM naruto effortlessly.

And tell me how Itachi is gonna counter ST and CT.

#7 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 wins. Exar Kun is a weak link here.

#8 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

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Obito is not as proficient in a genjutsu as Itachi and he doesnt have Tsukuyomi.

By a visual genjutsu? No. I am talking about visual genjutsu.

And realy, Nagato wont even give him a chance to do anything. Instant ST + CB plus other paths - Nagato stomps.

Obito has genjutsu feats that are comparable to Itachi and Madara. He was able to control Kurama and the Mizukage at age 14 with his genjutsu.

Well you said "show me Nagato being affected by genjutsu." Like I said before, you claimed that he wouldn't be affected by visual genjutsu so YOU are the one that has to prove it. Not me. Have fun.

Lmao just because you keep repeating "Nagato stomps" doesn't make it true.

And Kakashi, who resisted his genjutsu, wasnt able to resist a genjutsu from Itachi. And realy, is that hard to control Kurama?

Fourth Databook. Read it. Itachi cant affect him with a visual genjutsu.

And Nagato stomps with instant SH and CB after that. Thats how Nagato stomps.

#9 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994: Dude dont even listen or take him seriously. Hes a bad troll who doesnt listen to anyone or anything but the sound of his own voice. I already debated with him on another thread, he ignored statements and facts from the manga at his own leisure, while saying the ones he provides are concrete. Just ignore him, in all honesty. Or at the very least, dont take it serious.

You are the one who ignores Manga and wank about Itachi a lot. And you lost that debate.

#10 Posted by Jedisupermaster (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

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Kakashi is not an Uchiha and has only 1 sharingan.

And show me anyone in the manga who could catch Rinnegan user in a genjutsu.

And read Fourth databook.

He was still able to counter Obito's genjutsu though...

I already did show you a Rinnegan user being affected by genjutsu. You're the one that's claiming that ALL visual genjutsu wouldn't work against a Rinnegan user so since you are making that claim YOU are the one who has to provide evidence and prove it. That's the way debating works.

Show me it.

Obito is not as proficient in a genjutsu as Itachi and he doesnt have Tsukuyomi.

By a visual genjutsu? No. I am talking about visual genjutsu.

And realy, Nagato wont even give him a chance to do anything. Instant ST + CB plus other paths - Nagato stomps.