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How fast is Naruto with no Kyubi cloak or Sage mode?

No Sage, I can't personally remember any impressive speed showings from Naruto, despite recently watching the entire series.

I'm pretty sure via power scaling he'd have something, but I don't think it'd be anything ridiculously impressive.

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What? No feats?

First off Link is Hylian; a human but with a strong affinity for magic; and at base he's an expert swordsman and archer, with great endurance and strength.

Standard gear for Link is: Hylian shield, Master Sword, Bombs, Bow, Magic, Boomerag, and Hook shot

With his Hylian shield, Link would be able to push back most of Naruto's attacks easy, and his 360 spin coupled with his magic can keep any number of Naruto clones at bay. Link beats Naruto at range out right with his bow as well (which he's an excellent shot with), and his bomb and such.

The only real advantage Naruto has is in numbers (which Link can defend against), and if he can go Sage, then strength too.

With the True Master Sword, Link should even be able to reflect/match a Rasengan/Rasenshuriken.

IDK who'd win as it is laid out in the OP, they seem fairly even, but I'm leaning towards Link...better defense.

Yes, no feats.
Magic doesn't matter when he isn't 1/10th the speed of Naruto.
It says no 9 tails, not no sage, so sage stomps. Hard.

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Reason?

She has much better showing of power than Spectre or most comic book character. When HOM Wanda warp 616 reality into Magus verse, and let loose her chaos wave, which wasnt even her full power, it ripped the omniverse to shreds, not universe, not multiverse but omniversal feat. Then we know she with mere words healed the omniverse.

We also know she was able to , while in slip, pick up guys like Dormammu to come to earth to fight on her behalf, she was also able to give so much power to Genis Vell , he was overloaded with power and entire universe was blinking in and out of existence. We also know that Meggan had to tap into the very energies of Beyond (the universe from which small amount of energy forming cosmic cube), alonside energies from Earth as well as Otherworld (nexus of reality to all universes in the multiverse) to even halt the chaos wave and she was still destroyed in the process.

Wanda showing of power in HOM is simply insane, not sure why people under-estimate that. Honestly even guys like PR Molecule Man, or Infinity Gauntlet, doesnt actually have an on panel feat of actually tearing apart from omniverse to shread without even the full use of their power.

Spectre feats of holding back 2 universe, or holding 1 universe into himself fall short against someone like HOM Wanda on her prime.

I knew Wonda was no slouch, but it's been forever since I've been on here and actually talked about her, although I've never heard of her being an omniversal threat.

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Wanda at her prime?

HOM Wanda solo.

Reason?

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Classic Strange with prep could maybe think of something.

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There isn't a a fair situation to put them in.
A random encounter would end before the doctor even had the chance to say anything.
Prep for the doctor is also ridiculously one sided.
Pretty pointless match IMO.

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I like the new design to some extent, it seems like a cleaner layout, but it's lost some of the old bubble style charm the old site had IMO.

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Vegito, DBZ ssj3 can punch a hole through king Kai's planet no prob

I'm just gona say that's a nice wee opener feat, it's nothing ridiculous, but given that King Kai's planet is pretty small yet has 10x gravity, id imagine that it'd be rather dense.

I did a rough estimate (quick easy one) judging just from what I've seen of Goku in King Kai's house, there's a bit of a gap between Goku and the roof, so I used 6ft (just for the simple math), used a ruler on screen to get scale and got that the planet is roughly 12 times the size (keep in mind I just did this quickly on screen), that'd make King Kai's planet 72ft long of condensed rock that got casually destroyed, nice for a teaser :)

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I honestly don't really see a single area where Spiderman has an advantage in combat, Raiden is FAR stronger, he would literally break Peter in 2, he's got a few outliners with speed, but that's pretty inevitable in game imo, speed often seems to be the thing that people have issues with, for the most part id say he's at least supersonic, even with Spider Sense I only really see Peter dodging a hit or two.

Durability is another heavy advantage for Raiden, seriously Rising has some ridiculous feats lol.

I don't think at this point Peter had received all that much Martial arts training where as Raiden has been training since he was a child for fighting, I'm not quite sure if he learnt any specific Martial Arts (Probaby the same CQC as Snake) but it's clear he's at least talented at using his own body extremes to his benefit.

Peter dodges and maybe lands a few imo, but in the end he either gets sliced or smashed.

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@GhostRider2:

  1. GT was nowhere near as impressive as DBZ agreed, but the characters in GT would crush any Z character as much as I hate to say it.
  2. Stop bringing up the "Goku struggled to lift a building argument", what's so bad at not being able to lift a building, when he can destroy an entire city with a single lift of his finger?
  3. SSJ4 Gogeta would laugh at SSJ3 Vegito, Why? because Potara earrings do not equal a Super Saiyan transformation. Omega Shenron would also laugh.
  4. SSJ4 Goku > Any Z character, Elder Kai stated himself that SSJ4 Goku was the strongest fighter he'd ever seen, He would kill Buuhan without breaking a sweat.
  5. Seriously? You think that a fusion is better than any single fighter? You clearly haven't watched enough DBZ, GT to say something ignorant like that. That's like saying Gotenks would be stronger that Omega Shenron just because Goten and Trunks are fused. When in reality Omega blinks and Gotenks dies...

Next time, do some research on the power of these characters before making ignorant statements.

1 - Speculation, Vegito has more solid feats in way of beating Buuhan like he was nothing.
2 - The problem is, that he struggles to lift a building, when Goku was doing more impressive things in Z, character statements are only to be taken when they don't directly contradict feats.
3 - Potara > Fusion dance, it's stated in official canon, but I do agree SSJ4 Gogeta would beat SSJ3 Vegito.
4 - Again " character statements are only to be taken when they don't directly contradict feats. "
5 - No one said that.

People saying Goku was SSJ3 Level at the start of GT in base, also have no valid proof other than "He trained with Uub for 5 years" that's nice and all, but we've no idea how strong Uub REALLY is relative to Kid Buu at this point, for all we know he's 1/4th his power, 5 years may seem like a lot but we've no reason to believe that Goku wasn't fighting him at base because he was still able to keep up and Uub was the one who hasn't surpassed him for him to get stronger.

Considering Mystic Gohan >>>>> Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku.
It's not hard to believe a combination of Mystic Gohan and Super Buu as one single being would be on par with a SSJ4 Goku, take into consideration, mystic Gohan literally played with Super buu.
People like to just add together people when they get absorbed, but you have to take into consideration a that Buu is a single entity with all that power condensed into 1 person.

Regardless of your opinion on the outcome, I doubt you think Buuhan would get stomped by SSJ4 Goku in the same way Vegito did it.... as a god damn gum drop ball.