Tao (Wildstorm) vs Shuma-Gorath (Marvel)

Tao (Wildstorm)

vs

Shuma-Gorath (Marvel)

Set up: Tao has found out about Shuma-Gorath and he wants his powers to destroy the universe and he will do all he can do to steal Shuma's powers.

Rules:

  • Tao has 4 years of prep.
  • Tao is that full power and has all of his equipment from his first to last appearances.
  • Tao is both Bloodlust and his are morals off.
  • Tao has full knowledge about Shuma-Gorath's powers and his realm.
  • Tao is allowed has much back up as he wants.

Who wins?

31 Comments
34 Comments
Posted by JackKnight

Before anyone says that this is a curbstomp here are some of Tao's ability's:

Here's what happened to Fuji:

Tao manipulating Grifter:

Doing it again, in three seconds flat,

Forcing Providence to give him all of her power:

I think Tao has a shot.

Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium

I have no idea what those scans were supposed to convey.

Posted by JackKnight

I have no idea what those scans were supposed to convey.

They where impaling that Tao could manipulate Shuma into give him his powers.

Posted by dondave
Posted by JackKnight

Anymore?

Posted by Xanni15

@jackknight: How did you not call Buckshot? I do believe he's far and away the expert on Wildstorm.

Posted by JackKnight

@xanni15 said:

@jackknight: How did you not call Buckshot? I do believe he's far and away the expert on Wildstorm.

Ok then I will call @buckshot :)

Posted by Xanni15

And yeah, what's preventing Tao from just talking Shuma down? It's not like his ability only works on humans, right?

Posted by JackKnight

@xanni15 said:

And yeah, what's preventing Tao from just talking Shuma down? It's not like his ability only works on humans, right?

I doubt Tao's manipulation ability only works on humans.

And considering that he has 4 years of prep and the fact that his intelligence surpasses the likes of guys like Reed Richards and Thanos and the fact that he is allowed as much back up as he wants.

I think he has a chance of taking down Shuma.

Posted by Dratini1331

@xanni15 said:

And yeah, what's preventing Tao from just talking Shuma down? It's not like his ability only works on humans, right?

I doubt Tao's manipulation ability only works on humans.

And considering that he has 4 years of prep and the fact that his intelligence surpasses the likes of guys like Reed Richards and Thanos and the fact that he is allowed as much back up as he wants.

I think he has a chance of taking down Shuma.

Being Manipulative does not make you smarter than Thanos or Richards. "Intelligence Surpasses" is also almost worthless since intelligence can be measured in hundreds of different fields. Tahnos is a tactical genius, Reed is a more traditional scientific one. you can't really objectively compare the magnitude of ability in two separate fields.

Edited by JackKnight

@dratini1331 said:

@jackknight said:

@xanni15 said:

And yeah, what's preventing Tao from just talking Shuma down? It's not like his ability only works on humans, right?

I doubt Tao's manipulation ability only works on humans.

And considering that he has 4 years of prep and the fact that his intelligence surpasses the likes of guys like Reed Richards and Thanos and the fact that he is allowed as much back up as he wants.

I think he has a chance of taking down Shuma.

Being Manipulative does not make you smarter than Thanos or Richards. "Intelligence Surpasses" is also almost worthless since intelligence can be measured in hundreds of different fields. Tahnos is a tactical genius, Reed is a more traditional scientific one. you can't really objectively compare the magnitude of ability in two separate fields.

You might want to do more research on Tao, he has proven meny times to be way smarter then both Thanos and Reed Richards.

Posted by JackKnight
Posted by Chaos Prime

Imo only way he wins here is if he can access Dark Magic & get help from Tapestry.

& then it would probably take the whole prep time to win this encounter.

Posted by Dratini1331
Posted by JackKnight

Imo only way he wins here is if he can access Dark Magic & get help from Tapestry.

& then it would probably take the whole prep time to win this encounter.

Well I did say that he can get help fro anybody.

As I said in the rules "Tao is allowed has much back up as he wants" and if 4 years of prep is not enough I can always change the OP.

Posted by Setherial

I don't remember TAO being able to affect non-human organisms with his ability to manipulate. That said, I doubt psychological manipulation which would work on humans would have any effect on an extra-dimensional god perhaps millions of years old. And without that, TAO has zero chance of hurting Shuma-Gorath physically.

Posted by JackKnight

I don't remember TAO being able to affect non-human organisms with his ability to manipulate. That said, I doubt psychological manipulation which would work on humans would have any effect on an extra-dimensional god perhaps millions of years old. And without that, TAO has zero chance of hurting Shuma-Gorath physically.

Tao still might have a chance after all his intelligent is up there with guys like the Doctor from Doctor Who.

Posted by Stompa

I think Tao can make it but i think he won´t be unable to direcftly affect Shuma to give away his powers. But with 4 years he could propably manipulate ever major earthbound hero/villain from all kind of universes he can access (Wildstorm/DC or Marvel if we assume Avengers/JLA is cannon) and with that he could get guys powerful enough or with enough scientific or magic knowledge to do it for him. 4 years is maybe not enough time so i am not entirely sure but seems like a good debatable time.

Edited by JackKnight

@stompa said:

I think Tao can make it but i think he won´t be unable to direcftly affect Shuma to give away his powers. But with 4 years he could propably manipulate ever major earthbound hero/villain from all kind of universes he can access (Wildstorm/DC or Marvel if we assume Avengers/JLA is cannon) and with that he could get guys powerful enough or with enough scientific or magic knowledge to do it for him. 4 years is maybe not enough time so i am not entirely sure but seems like a good debatable time.

If 4 years is not enough I can always change to Op to make it 10 years or something like that.

Posted by JackKnight

@stompa said:

I think Tao can make it but i think he won´t be unable to direcftly affect Shuma to give away his powers. But with 4 years he could propably manipulate ever major earthbound hero/villain from all kind of universes he can access (Wildstorm/DC or Marvel if we assume Avengers/JLA is cannon) and with that he could get guys powerful enough or with enough scientific or magic knowledge to do it for him. 4 years is maybe not enough time so i am not entirely sure but seems like a good debatable time.

If 4 years is not enough I can always change to Op to make it 10 years or something like that.

Posted by Stompa

@stompa said:

I think Tao can make it but i think he won´t be unable to direcftly affect Shuma to give away his powers. But with 4 years he could propably manipulate ever major earthbound hero/villain from all kind of universes he can access (Wildstorm/DC or Marvel if we assume Avengers/JLA is cannon) and with that he could get guys powerful enough or with enough scientific or magic knowledge to do it for him. 4 years is maybe not enough time so i am not entirely sure but seems like a good debatable time.

If 4 years is not enough I can always change to Op to make it 10 years or something like that.

Nono i think 4 years is fine that should be challenging for Tao. I see heavy hitters like Lex Luthor,Majestics and similars would take weeks to month of prep for Tao to manipulate so he would have to really work to get a good enough team to archieve his goals and that´s how it´s supposed to be in a battle like this i would say. 10 years would be too easy.

Edited by Chaos Prime

@chaos_prime said:

Imo only way he wins here is if he can access Dark Magic & get help from Tapestry.

& then it would probably take the whole prep time to win this encounter.

Well I did say that he can get help fro anybody.

As I said in the rules "Tao is allowed has much back up as he wants" and if 4 years of prep is not enough I can always change the OP.

Well if thats the case imo he wins for sure havng the likes of Mr Majestic, Jenny Quantum, The Doctor, Henry Bendix, William Bendix, Adrianna (Void) & Lord Emp to name but a few.

Probably Tao & Mr Maj alone with 4 years prep would come up with a plan to seal Shumas fate.

Posted by NeonGameWave

Tao should win especially with help from Mr Majestic, Helspont and etc.

Edited by Dratini1331

@jackknight said:

@chaos_prime said:

Imo only way he wins here is if he can access Dark Magic & get help from Tapestry.

& then it would probably take the whole prep time to win this encounter.

Well I did say that he can get help fro anybody.

As I said in the rules "Tao is allowed has much back up as he wants" and if 4 years of prep is not enough I can always change the OP.

Well if thats the case imo he wins for sure havng the likes of Mr Majestic, Jenny Quantum, The Doctor, Henry Bendix, William Bendix, Adrianna (Void) & Lord Emp to name but a few.

Probably Tao & Mr Maj alone with 4 years prep would come up with a plan to seal Shumas fate.

Wildstorm/DC now has rights to The Doctor?

Edited by Setherial

Or you know...Shuma could much more easily and quickly just fry them all with an energy beam.

Posted by Chaos Prime
Edited by Dratini1331

@chaos_prime: hm, I wonder if they needed permission to use that or not, either way it's good to get that cleared up =D

Posted by Chaos Prime

@chaos_prime: hm, I wonder if they needed permission to use that or not, either way it's good to get that cleared up =D

No imo, apart from the time travel they dont have near enough much in common.

Posted by JackKnight

Or you know...Shuma could much more easily and quickly just fry them all with an energy beam.

Unless Tao says to Shuma "Don't attack me" :P

Edited by JackKnight

Bump.