... But... Heroes are sh*t!

Mr. Majestic

The Mask

God Emperor of Mankind

Takion

Waverider

Captain Atom (New 52)

Rune King Thor

The Runner

Asura

Squirrel Girl

Supergirl

Spectre

Dr. Strange

Primus

A hunter

Hulk

Captain Jack Harkness for all three in Doctor Who

Mechagodzilla

Wormon
Veemon
GabumonAgumon
Morgan Freeman
Eric Cartman
Mozart
Bender
Mat Cauthon
Commander Shepard

Ok, this is how its going down. In the prep time, the digimon dna-digivolve into Imperialdramon paladin mode. They put Mat in the center of the universal map in Shepard's ship. They spin him around 27.4 times. Bender throws a beer bottle at Mat, who shatters it in mid air with a lucky swing of his staff. Due to his infinite luck, the point of collision is where your characters are on the intergalactic map. With the location down, Imperialdramon godstomps all of them there. If your forces are in more than one place they repeat. Wolfgang writes a masterpiece dedicated to the victory. Eric rubs it in your face. Morgan Freeman narrates it all.

Hope I got at least a chuckle :P

Those two are way above Galactus at 75%! plus either one of them can solo.

Toonforce FTW!

The Spectre is way above Galactus (even that 100%) plus he can solo.

Are you using Classic Dr Strange or modern Dr Strange? I don't know if he is above Galactus or not.

This team will beat your impossible team.

1.LT

2.Primus

3.Solar

4. Pre retcon beyonder

5.keeper silver surfer

6.Cosmic armor superman

7. Captain Universe Hulk

8.Omega Shinron

9.Galactus

10.Pheonix Force Franklin Richards

...............OK! you either didn't read the rules like most people on this thread or you are just trolling!!!!!!!!!

The characters I highlighted in bold are WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! above Galactus at 75% (Hell most of them are above Galactus if he was that 500%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and any of them can solo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said in the rules:

• Your organization of 10 members, all which must be heroes who are either good or neutral.
• Your team is allowed two hours of prep.
• Only use characters that are below 75% fed Galactus.
• No characters that can solo.
• No extreme prep masters like The Doctor, John Constantine etc.
• Battle takes place in space.

Do people on Comicvine read rules in threads nowadays?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? >:(

1. Superman (Leader)

2. Silver Surfer (Second in Command)

3. Nova Prime

4. Quasar

5. Thor

6. Adam Warlock

7. Black Bolt

8. Phoenix

9. Dr. Strange

10. Flash (Wally West)

I think Phoenix is higher them Galactus at 75% but weaker then him that 100%, also are you using Classic or modern Dr Strange?

The rest of the team are fine and awesome though I think Adam Warlock should be the leader.

How easily do you think they will defeat my team?

@jackknight: I will change Pheonix to Ghost Rider. This is modern Strange, I'm guessing classic would be too powerful.

This won't be an easy win at all. I'm hoping Ghost Rider can use his penance stair to take out some of your team.

I think that's kindof overkill, Two Celestials would probably be enough to stomp most of the team but that least you didn't pick characters like the Living Tribunal so I'll give you that.

Team Death Wish lol

Leader:Odin

1.Ghost Rider with Zarathos in control.

2.Post Annihilation Silver Surfer with Uni Power and he knows how to use it.

3.Odin with Destroyer Armor and his sword.

4.Wally West

5.Silver Age Superman

6.King of Hell Spawn

7.Surtur with Twilight Sword

8.Thor Warrior Madness and his belt

9.Trion Juggernaut

10.Magneto

Is this fight morals off?

Fair enough.

Though Unicron, Omega and Sutekh are on Galactus level so the Celestial would have a hard time.

@jackknight: I'll say classic Dr. Strange and change Spectre to Silver Surfer.

Heros only!! This is hard but will give it a go.

Forge

Kal Kent (if allowed)

Lord Emp

Mr Majestic

William Bendix

Dr Fate

Dr Strange

Silver Surfer

The Runner

Batman 1,000,000

Kal Kent is fine, I've heard he's on par with Odin who is below Galactus that 75% so he's fine.

Though I think Dr Strange and Dr Fate are above Galactus that 75%.

Wally West Flash

Superman

Professor Paradox.

Eragon w/eldunari

Batman

Wonder Woman

Juggernaut(8th day)

Silver Surfer

WB Hulk

Super girl.

Ahh WRONG!!!!!

Unbound Spectre is the weakest version of the character. The most powerful version of Spectre was during COIE. That version of Spectre couldn't even defeat ONE member of your team at his most powerful without MASSIVE help.

Your team leader is Anti-Monitor. In COIE the only way that Spectre could battle AM was to be gifted the power of ALL DC's mystics. He was given power by Classic Fate, Phantom Stranger, Zatanna, Sargon, Dr Occult, Zatara, Madame Xanadu etc etc etc.. If the most powerful version of Spectre could not defeat even one member of your team until he had been amped by DOZENS of high end mystics how the hell could the lowest version solo all your team???????

Scans are out of order but you get the idea.

first one ( should be last) is when all DC's mystics gave Spectre their power on top of his so that he could EQUAL anti monitor.

Second one is Spectre screaming in pain unable to do a thing.

Top of the third he clearly states even his power cannot survive the anti-matter universe.

Standard Anti monitor isn't as far below COIE version as Unbound Spectre is to COIE spectre so he certainly cannot solo this.

IT's ALSO been shown that Spectre can't kill Darkseid because he is essential. So that's two members of your team he can't beat and since Thanos can't die 3.

@beatboks1: unbound spectre isn't the weakest spectre, he's simply uncontrollable, which is why God sent michael to give him a human host.

Team Danetrain

1. Superman (Pre-Crisis)

2. Shazam (Batson)

3. Hal Jordan

4. Brainiac 5 (Querl Dox)

5. Orion

6. Thor (Destroyer Armor, Odinforce)

7. Kyle Rayner (Ion, Pre-Retcon)

8. Silver Surfer

9. Doctor Strange (Classic)

10. Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson)

hahaha. Please when you've actually read some spectre stories make a comment. I have read everything with Spectre in it since 1968 and have several issues ( but not all) before that including 15 issues of More fun comics with him in it form the GA and all but six issues of All Star Comics ( 5 of which he wasn't in)

He most certainly IS the weakest, as ANY actual Spectre fan will tell you. Without a host he lacks the drive or the will to perform his role. He is also easily lead ( the whole reason that DOV even occurred is because being unbound meant he was gullible and easily by Eclipso) there are several stories showing how the spirit of vengeance without a soul to guide it is weaker and a whole ark convincing Crispus Allen to be that soul for that very reason.

1. Batman

2. Raven

3. Silver Surfer

4. Deathstroke

5. Lobo

6. Superman

7. Martian Manhunter

8. Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

9. Cyborg

10. Thor

Team name: The destroyers

im not sure the need for this accusation, it was explained in spectre v3 #0:

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scans are from right to left.

for a guy who brags about reading every issue on the spectre since 1968, you surely must have missed that, so refrain from any further accusations in the future.

@beatboks1: Day of Vengeance was a great story :D

@rolldestroyer: So, yeah. Those scans show the Spectre force, but none of it relates to what Beatboks said. He said it's the weakest incarnation. Nothing about those scans shows otherwise, unless getting trounced by Michael is a good showing for him somehow?

@rolldestroyer:
I've read the issue it doesn't debunk or rebuke anything that came either before or afterward that actually SHOW's Spectre as weaker without a host. In one issue without a host he is loosing to Eclipso ( in the male host not Jean Loring) yet the following issue after Crispus becomes his host he defeats him with ease. Eclipso even comments at the greater power at his hand. this is only one of several DOZEN incidents of Spectre being blatantly less powerful without a host. If you can show me a single instance of him being higher in power without a host than with one there might be a reason to debate. there isn't one however. For example in DOV Spectre goes into battle against a disembodied Nabu. The battle lasts several pages, yet every other time the two have fought Nabu or the Fate entity have not lasted more than half that.

i posted those scans to back up my first post, as for him being the weakest:

let's compare, DoV #4, unbound spectre's battle with CM was felt through multiple dimensions:

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JLA/Spectre soul war #2, batman manages to do a better job at resisting the trans and manages to free the imprisoned spectre (hal jordan)

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all scans are from right to left.

i really do hate accusations, especially when they are unwarranted.

So, both groups of scans are horribly out of context. For one thing the first group of scans shows maybe half of that battle? tops?

Second part is from something I haven't read and it's so out of context I have no idea what kind of plot elements are in place or what Batman or the Spectre are supposed to be resisting?

You can't just post half a battle or half a story and expect it to make your point for you.

Ultimate Thor

Hyperion (Marvel now)

Ultimate Quicksilver

Icon

Spawn Classic

Supreme

Savior Cable

Plutonian

Human Torch

Hank Pym.

In other news, if you feel slighted by the phrase 'you don't know what you're talking about' then you aren't going to have a very good time on a battle forum.

my point wasn't to show the whole fight, it was only to show that their battle was affecting multiple dimensions, unless you want me to show you 3 issues, but just for the sake of it, here's the rest of the issue:

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btw it didn't even show a quarter of the battle, but then again, you read it, so you must have known that, yet you thought it was half of the battle, for some reason......

so you didn't read it yet you accuse me of putting it out of context? HILARIOUS! know what you're talking about for god's sake before posting this bullshit, the spectre got imprisoned by the trans in the imaginal realm (which i already mentioned but seeing how your only concern is restoring to accusations you must have missed that part), i could post all of the issue if you want.

i am also failing to see your contribution in this part of the debate, are you here just to accuse me for posting out of context scans despite not having read them yourself?

@rolldestroyer:

When testing the Corrigan Spectre ( on top of the other incident where he faced Eclipso prior to Crispus becoming the host) the entity was stripped of Corrigan and was unable to defeat Eclipso even with aid. Spectre was then consumed and taken by Eclipso . Once Corrigan retook the entity he easily and casually defeated and crushed Eclipso

Earlier in the first issue of the tow ( the one the first two scans come from) this UNBOUND Spectre was in a pitched battle with the Mage who helped him against Eclipso and could not even harm him. A mortal wizard and he couldn't do him harm. While "Unbound" he also could not do anything to Eclipso, yet when Corrigan was again linked to the entity of Vengeance he can casually destroy him. This is but one of dozens of times we have seen the weaker unbound Spectre showing he isn't anywhere near on par with Spectre when he has a host.

Are you under some wild delusion that I have to read an issue before I can tell you your scans don't make sense? Because I don't. The scans you posted don't have a lick of context. There is nothing I can judge their merit on. My lack of background reading is the problem here, that's why you post scans to begin with. If I had read the issue you could just say 'hey remember JLA/Spectre Soul War #2?' and I'd go 'yeah I totally do, good point champ.' You post scans so you can show me the important part of an issue I haven't read. You missed the important part that would allow the scans to make sense. Try to avoid doing that if you like making meaningful points in an argument.

People need information to make a judgement. What is the trans? why should the Spectre be unable to resist it if Batman can? Since Hal Jordan's willpower alone is equal to or greater than (stated in panels by Alan Scott to be greater) Bruce Wayne's that doesn't make sense. If it's a question of power, I can see Kyle Rayner in the background unable to move, so that doesn't make any sense either. Your scans don't tell me anything. That's why they're worthless and you can get as salty as you want but it won't change that.

"You aren't getting your point across very well" is my contribution. I've provided you with the information that your arguments and evidence are both grossly underwhelming. You're welcome.

1.Ben 10(any version)

2.Superman(modern day superman)

3. Shadow the Hedgehog(any version)

4.Martian man hunter

5. Sonic(archie)

6. Billy Watson(captain marvel)

7.Wally West(the guy who picked flash was not specific on which flash)

8.Dante(dmc)

9.Kizaru(one piece)

10. Hulk(access to bruce banner's intelligence.)

@rolldestroyer: I see so now that I've posted scans of one unbound spectre clearly weaker than one bound, detailed referrence to a second instance and actual context to an instance you've tried to use out of context you've gone quiet???

Sorry if it felt as if I was accusing you of something ( I wasnt) but I was just certain you had not read enough of the stories that showed the differences between a bound and unbound Spectre. I could go as far back as late 60's show case issues to get even more. In one another entity occupied Corrigan while the Spectre was not in his host. while sparayed Spectre stated he was weakened in that state. The various instances of the ring of life being used to defeat Spectre are also because they sever his link to his hist making him easier to control.

i can post new evidence you know. I have read enough spectre stories to know what im talking about.

im not going to post the entire issue since it's 48 pages, so here's the relevant part, JLA/Spectre soul war #2

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for another comparison, even a less power imp than mxy owned the spectre, JLA #28

confirmed 9 pages later:

spectre also got owned by the joker who had most of mxy's power, superman: man of steel #105:

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yet, look at what DoV's aftermath did to mxy, adventures of superman #646:

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so yeah, i can do this too you know.

in any case, my intention was never that unbound spectre is the most powerful version of the character, coz i know it's not, but my point is that it isn't necessarily always that it is the weakest version, i already gave you 2 examples

another factor to consider is the host, their power level differs, heck, i remember in day of judgment's 1st issue it was implied that the spectre is a force even the presence must fear when asmodel took control of the spectre, sadly, his performance was rather disappointing in that arc.

@jackknight: Your rules and the addition of unicron make it pretty much impossible. Unicron is a ripped off version of galactus only much much stronger. No army without someone at least as strong as galactus or a master prepper in there ranks would stand the slightest chance. The rest of the group is pretty much irrelevant.

Unicron is not stronger then Galactus (and even if he is hes not at full power here), Galactus has shown much better feats.

1. Raven

2. Parallax

3. Ion

4. Atrocitus

5. WB Hulk

6. Gladiator

7. Sodam Yot

8. Blue Lantern wielder

9. Captain America

10. Legion (if not against the rules, Just timeslip otherwise).

My team is based off of Raven buffing everyone's emotions (like giving entire planets full of anger to Atrocitus and WB Hulk) and the lantern members providing rings to those that can use it (Captain America has the most will besides Doom, so with a green lantern ring, he should be very powerful. Raven should be powerful with all rings, and Gladiator with pretty much any ring and WB Hulk with a red ring. Legion is there because he's a powerhouse, universal being if you let him be, or at least Timeslip to stop time to give ample time to prepare, learn the rings, and to stop time in the fight for maximum efficiency. Oh and Blue lanterns are supposed to be really powerful near Green lanterns IIRC, if not, replace it with like Silver Surfer or something.

1. Izaya, the Highfather

2. Kyle Rayner, White Lantern

3. Hal Jordan, Green Lantern

4. Impossible Man

5. Pre-Crisis Superman

6. Superboy Prime

7. The Doctor (Wildstorm)

8. Quantum Superman

9. Monarch

10.Vulcan

Or:

1. God-Emperor of Mankind

2. Monarch (Nathaniel Adam)

3. Solar, Man of the Atom (Valiant)

4. Adam Allen, the Quantum Superman

5. Impossible Man

6. Silver Age Superman

7. The Doctor (Wildstorm)

8. Jamie Braddock

9. Anti-Man

10.Bat-Mite