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#1 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

The modern Robocop wouldn't need a partner to do this. The guy was dancing around machine gunfire in his movie, good luck to Ma-ma, her gang and the residents running around the entire establishment finishing him off (the majority of them don't even have the fire-power to do anything to him).

#2 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke said:

@king_saturn said:

I will take Majestic... even if it's Asura in his final forms... I still think Majestic can win because of a couple of things. One being the Speed Advantage that Majestic should have... as well as Majestic is pretty strong even if he would be significantly smaller than Asura in his final forms... but that would make it harder for Asura to attack him since he is so small and fast...

Just for reference:

He's no-showing a multi-planet busting attack - proceeds to casually accelerate himself to FTL speeds (you can see him cruising past multiple planets in moments - which at his size is fast) and proceeds to punch his target with enough force to create a multi-planetary sized shockwave.

His durability from just being able to survive his own attacks is insane and honestly the list of showings Majestic has to suggest he can dent that kind of durability hitting him all day is probably slim to none in number - coupled with Asura's own speed despite his size only makes it a challenge for Majestic to avoid trading blows.

How do you know that Asura was moving Faster than Light in that instance though ? I mean he could have been moving Near Light Speed... Half - Light Speed... Quarter - Light Speed... there is no direct reference there to his speed... and even that would be significantly slower than Majestic who can fly to the end of the Milky Way Galaxy in moments...

Because we see Asura cruising past random rocky exoplanets not in days or weeks - but in moments. Light-speed takes 8 minutes to reach the Earth, it takes multiple years to reach other star-systems. Coupled with the fact he's running circles around blasts of energy going at similar speeds or reacting to stars / planets / mega-sized planets being hurled at him at FTL speeds (which would be the only way they would ever reach him in our life-time playing the game) - the only conclusion is FTL.

To claim otherwise would require us to question everything about the scene - starting with the scale of Earth to Asura, the distances between planets / star-systems and said universe scale of planets / stars being hurled at Asura at what would be FTL speeds. Because the context is Asura himself is larger than a planet now - the speeds he's moving at are all insanely fast in order to even throw a punch at a remotely human speed from our perception.

The Punching Feats are Nice... but they don't mean much if Majestic is faster than Asura... I mean he won't be able to hit him...

There is also the giant star-busting energy blasts Asura fires casually in volleys - that target - going faster than Asura himself is moving to consider. Even if we ignore how fast those fists are moving, Majestic stands no chance of dodging Asura's energy attacks.

and then you have Majestic's Speed and Strength coupled with his smaller Size that could be a serious problem...

You're arguing from a stand-point where Asura's size in this form works against him - which it really doesn't. He's literally perceiving objects being hurled at him from light-years away - which be incomprehensibly smaller by comparison to Majestic - moving at ridiculous speeds to even hit him and Asura has absolutely no issue reaction / defending himself from them.

I mean if Majestic blitzed through Asura's skull... and did this constantly... I don't think Asura would be standing that long.

If he could - the issue is if that was the case Asura would have vaporised himself after throwing his second punch. His durability quite-frankly is insane - to the point Majestic could pound on that skin for decades without a dent.

#3 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

Robocop stomps.

Dredd's options are limited to say the least. His gun has the fire-power to damage Robocop, but only after changing it to its more exotic settings - time that Robocop will shoot him in every single time. Short of a surprise attack scenario where Dredd goes in prepped and guns blazing he stands no chance of out-reacting or out-gunning Robocop from the reboot.

In the film Robocop is established to have durability that requires 50 caliber weaponry to even get past to do significant damage. And even then he's put in two situations where he faces exactly that and does not go down to gunfire from all sides. Even in a situation where he's up against three or four ED-209's he was running active simulations to dance around their machine gun-fire (which we see him dead center of their firing a lot of the time).

Coupled with his ability to predict someone's hostility towards him by looking at their face, his own tactical speed where he's gunning down effortlessly multiple targets and significantly better physical stats - Dredd is toast.

@mudcrab said:

This could go either way if you remove morals from both of them , but i would give it to Dredd in this fight because he never has any mercy to anyone who is considered an enemy of his (as far as i know) .

He was shot and bleeding with his back against the wall at gun-point in the reboot.

If it hadn't been for the psychic 'rookie' Judge strolling in when she did the other Judge would have shot him dead. Sure Dredd was significantly out-gunned and nearly out of ammo at this point, but to pretend he strolls through the movie without effort - rather than running for his life half the time - is unrealistic.

Robocop's similar issue was completely programming related.

#4 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

I will take Majestic... even if it's Asura in his final forms... I still think Majestic can win because of a couple of things. One being the Speed Advantage that Majestic should have... as well as Majestic is pretty strong even if he would be significantly smaller than Asura in his final forms... but that would make it harder for Asura to attack him since he is so small and fast...

Just for reference:

He's no-showing a multi-planet busting attack - proceeds to casually accelerate himself to FTL speeds (you can see him cruising past multiple planets in moments - which at his size is fast) and proceeds to punch his target with enough force to create a multi-planetary sized shockwave.

His durability from just being able to survive his own attacks is insane and honestly the list of showings Majestic has to suggest he can dent that kind of durability hitting him all day is probably slim to none in number - coupled with Asura's own speed despite his size only makes it a challenge for Majestic to avoid trading blows.

@isaac_clarke said:

Unless this is mortal Asura - who apparently could still catch Asteroids plummeting to the planet - Asura at his final levels was a casual starbuster and significantly larger than the Earth.

Would you consider Beserker Asura to be powerful enough to take Majestic?

He did annihilate an entire fleet like an Anteater going through an Ant-Farm.

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Asura from the get-go was sporting planetary strength as he one-shots Vlitra. Later he's vaporizing planet sized opponents with a barrage of punches. Now how powerful Beserker was compared to the rest of his forms is a bit of a ? since it was basically Asura over-clocked and breaking down with a power-booste - it's arguably his second most powerful state in the game - just without many feats to support it. Vlitra seemed to like it enough to mimic to fight Asura himself though.

Now if he beats Majestic - Reikai would be able to give a more confident answer. All I know is Final Form Asura would steam-roll most super-strength folks that appear on panel without breaking much of a sweat.

#5 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't put my money on it - so far the Doctor hasn't been transforming out of his gender, race or Britishness. And even if it did happen - it would be brief.

#6 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless this is mortal Asura - who apparently could still catch Asteroids plummeting to the planet - Asura at his final levels was a casual starbuster and significantly larger than the Earth.

#7 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

The last version of Deidara was sporting a semi-immortal body. Under normal conditions Renji would stomp, but otherwise would lose to Deidara's suicide bomb.

#8 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

Assuming Sif is sporting close to the same stats Hogun or Valstagg have - this isn't nearly as one-sided as some people pretend it is. Especially considering Iron Fist himself has been dropped by significantly less than Sif can dish out.

#9 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

While I did confused Stormbreaker with Godhunter, but I was endeavoring to compare both instances of Galactus' recovery.

In Pak's Silver Surfer: Devolution:

The events of Chaos War (powering that portal outside the multiverse) drained Galactus to the point he required a star to restore his lifeforce. Though it's mentioned by the Surfer that normally a single planet would do the trick, just not in this case.

Compared to Beta Ray Bill: Godhunter:

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In which Galactus is so consumed by his hunger he can't even defend himself from the space armada assaulting him and was notably going to die. One planet later he obliterates his attackers, prevents Bill from exploding and creates Beta Ray Bill a mate.

@saren said:

.....ok? Pretty sure anyone who took a cursory glance at that scan could figure out that Galactus is capable of becoming so nourished by a meal that he's at his full strength. It is, after all, literally what the scan says.

I'm not disputing whether or not a meal can bring him to full-strength (though in that situation Mcduffie is having him being fed to full-strength by his own power - which makes no-sense, but whatever) - just that he can never actually be full / despite feeding still be compelled by his hunger.

I don't even know what this is for.

You're confusing the reality of the situation with whatever version of events you would prefer to be true. But details from decades-old canon filled in by dozens of writers are ambiguous anyway. The concept of restraint while eating is, again, not that difficult to wrap one's head around --- billions of people apply it in practice every single day. People can eat, and people can overeat. People can eat enough for them to safely be classified as "fully nourished", and people can eat past that point and be sentenced to life in mobility scooters. Galactus does not have the latter problem because his digestion works to a somewhat more complicated end, but that's not really an indication that he's being as Gandhian about things as possible.

That's too much emphasis on relating people' to Galactus:

More specifically noting how Galactus is essentially adding to his lifeforce.

Based off this I'd say Galactus is more comparable to an clock timer than a person - namely why his meals have such an immediate effect on him.

Where exactly does it say he's not just eating as much as he needs at the moment, or that his apparently noble sacrifice to prolong the universe's existence isn't just a simple lack of greed?

I'm not sure where my point deviated to say otherwise - because that's exactly what Galactus does.

Because that's what his description of the Galactus-in-waiting inside the Seed sounds like: not someone who's throwing caution to the winds in order to just be full, but someone who doesn't care about caution and is willing to absorb more energy than necessary, more energy that even being full would necessitate, someone whose lack of restraint could easily be categorized as plain and simple greed.

It isn't so much greed, but rather a lack of motivation to refrain pursuing its hunger. Galactus' mortal existence as Galan provides him with a sense morality that haunts the character - inducing that restraint, prompting the creation of devices to milk his meals and the occasional moment of compassion for beings below his position. Which for whatever reason was thrown out when he was introduced to the ultimate universe.

It is, after all, possible to lack restraint and eat past the point of being full.

Really, right after every meal his first thought is "Maybe I should sprinkle some salt over the next one"? There's no interval of time between the requirement for each feeding? He spends every waking hour of his life searching for food and nothing else? Despite innumerable comics that have seen him do all sorts of things unrelated to eating celestial bodies?

Is there some source readily available for how fast the rate of absorbed energy drops once Galactus tucks in? Galactus' hunger and his power have also been inextricably linked. When he's eaten enough that he's "full", he's at full power.

Galactus rarely does the searching - normally he resigns that task to his heralds to seek out suitable worlds. If not them, devices of his own making. Because of this, he does have a good deal of free-time to pursue other interests (technology, defending the universe, etc).

Thanos claims in the scan above that the cosmic energy Galactus produces to consume becomes a part of his very essence - his lifeforce. So any 'drop' would start immediately after the meal, excellerated by either fighing powerful beings, being harmed or simply exerting his power in some fashion. Maybe to simplify this notion - the more he eats, the better he works - being able to operate at peak levels for longer.

And then his power drops as his hunger increases, until he can't ignore the hunger anymore and has to feed. Just like how hunger works for everything under the sun. If his hunger were always at a constant level that couldn't be changed regardless of how much energy he absorbs, then he wouldn't be saying things like the Galactus Seed contains enough power to sate his hunger forever.

That would be the lie he tells the Silver Surfer - Odin explains it to be a completely different situation:

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Hickman then has Galactus confirm Odin's account as the previously posted above.

No, your point was that Joker was only a threat to the multiverse because damaging the prime reality would cause the entire structure to come crashing down like a house of cards. Do you have any interest in making that your point, or has that interest since lapsed?

I'd like to think I have some idea of my own intent, but your free to believe whatever you like - that's your prerogative. I just don't see the benefit in pretending to know whether or not the reality in question has anything to do with the potential threat of unraveling reality across the multiverse.

Cool. Now when Galactus actually crams an entire universe down his throat under his own power with no circumstantial aid, not even taking into account

That's fair.

I'm pretty sure Galactus is still merged with Gah Lak Tus, let me know. Which doesn't seem likely given Galactus has spent the last four issues of the series building a machine to do it for him, and (according to Jean reading his thoughts) doubts he has the power to even finish building that, let alone devouring the universe. Until then, let's leave the future in the future until it becomes the present.

GAH-LAK-TUS was destroyed by Rick Jones in Hunger:

The plot-beam itself blasting a hole through universes.

Seemingly destroying Galactus in the attack - prompting Galactus to reform himself back in his original state and head straight to Earth to consume it:

But that's also why he's weakened in Cataclysm - after an Earth snack he'll go back to whatever he was planning on doing to said reality.

"Making references" is one way of putting it --- it would seem to me that Joker's going "Hey, reader! Remember all those events you read? I can do them again!", or it would seem that's the writer's simple way of cluing readers in on Joker's power relative to other power levels already seen in DC canon, but you're right, it makes more sense that Joker's randomly namedropping events for Harley's benefit.

And the words "all of creation" have, of course, never been applied to a single universe before.

In all likelihood that's exactly what Pak intended with that dialogue, Galactus' eating habits rarely have anything to do with anything beyond the universe he inhabits.

I read it again and it seemed perfectly simple.

I'm not entirely sure how much of Cataclysm you've been reading. The actual current version of Galactus is scared he doesn't have enough power in him to finish building the energy converter he's been using for billenia (not a word). And, again, call me when that actually happens and I'll be happy to concede the point.

Well, I dunno, let's see: Keith Giffen? The guy who thought Aegis and Tenebrous were enough to take out Galactus, and that exposure to the energies of the Crunch would kill him good and proper?

Aegis and Tenebrous where plot devices - losing to characters the writer specifically created to defeat you isn't exactly much of a low end. The Crunch is no immediate threat to Galactus:

He would essentially have to allow it to consume him - otherwise he can withstand it for some undeterminable amount of time. But given Galactus was universal at best in Annihilation (well, when not rigged to explode) - i'd say that its fair the joker stands a good chance to beating him at that level of power.

Paul Jenkins? The guy who thought poisoning a planet with the Old Power was enough to make Galactus scream in pain and retreat?

That would be another plot device that only affected Galactus because he consumed it - prompting him to vomit spirits. But I could see that hungering Galactus losing to the Joker.

Jonathan Hickman, the guy who thought Leonardo da Vinci with prep time could drive both Galactus and the Surfer away from Earth? Should I name more examples, within a 10 year period?

Don't forget taking down Celestials too. Regardless - the same writer had Galactus out-perform an adult Franklin Richards against the Mad Celestials. For a universal reality warper - he basically poured all his energy into bringing Galactus back to finish the remaining Celestials, who then subsequently brings him back after he killed himself.

Do you actually believe Galactus is capable of just tanking universal blasts till the cows come home? And if so, do you actually believe Marvel holds that same opinion? Tertiary question: do you actually think any portrayal below that, though they are both legion as well as common even today, constitutes bad writing on the scale of Annataz depowering Mxy? Because if so, I can sort of understand why you think you're getting "crucified" for "the truth".

Galactus' high-ends consist of him blasting people with laser beams out of his eyes that somehow prompt the rest reality to cave-in, even while outside said universe (or dimensions in Agamotto's case). So if he can dish it out as a side-effect, I'm not sure why he can't take it. But that's besides the point, because the Joker isn't blasting it - he's smashing it into a million pieces and remaking it in the same instant (sorta like a minature UN). Galactus is sporting few feats to contend with it (fixing Eternity and his fight with the Scrier & Other) and a laundry list of low-ends.

How about the fact that they're completely different characters? That the Celestials from the beginning of the multiverse are long since dead and gone, and that these are entirely new characters? Is there some kind of proof that the new Celestials are just as powerful as the old ones, or is this, yet again, just the version of events you'd prefer to be true?

Isn't Arishem the one on the left? If anything this showing cements Celestials as equals, regardless of the universe - because these 'original' Celestials would now exist in every Marvel reality. Either way I'd have my doubts that Pak intended to create a mysterious super-Celestial race.

It's funny: actual multiversal beings like Mikaboshi,

Chaos King didn't leave the 616 reality until after absorbing the Hell-Lords, Earth's pantheons and Impossible Man into his being.

HOM Scarlet Witch et al never seem to need anything like the Council's Bridges to take over or affect all realities. They just kind of.....do it. I mean, come on. When was the last time you saw allegedly multiverse-threatening beings needing to take tours to each universe one by one to conquer them? It would take an awfully long time, for one thing. And I can't think of the last time I saw a multiverse-threatening being insta-die after Reed Richards shot a hole through it with a gun he basically fished out of his attic.

You are right here - for whatever reason Hickman limited the Mad Celestials - and even functioning Infinity Gauntlets from opening portals / traversing the Multiverse under their own power (the Reed that destroys his universe actually builds a portal with the IG to leave it). Certainly strange considering we've seen Thor universe hop in Astonishing Thor using his fingers and Skyfather Adameus Cho opening portals / teleporting Hercules back into the 616 reality.

Its all rather odd - but I guess that's the only way to give Hickman the time he needs to set up events. I haven't a clue how the celestial busting guns the Council of Reeds built worked - but they did the job.

Well, ignoring grudges that are essentially "My character can beat up your character" or ignoring people you don't think you get along with and just posting your opinion regardless would seem to be the grown-up thing to do. There's about 10 different people on the battles forum that I simply refuse to engage with any more. They'll post "Feats?" or "Explain?" or something like that if I post an opinion, but I don't really care about their opinions anymore, so I just scroll over those and reply to the people worth replying to.

Sound advice that promotes more civil discussion on these boards, prompting a more healthy forum in general. Which

Though the forum's nature can be rather combative given it appeals to our personal (absolute) perception of reality.

I'm either forgetting the user

I regret to say the best piece of advice I could offer to everyone in this thread will not be accompanied by the transcendental tones of Idina Menzel, but let's give it a shot: Also if any of you haven't seen this movie you are a bad person and that is fact.

Not making the time to check out on Frozen while in theaters is easily my regret of 2013. I thought the initial trailer was rather charming - the subsequent praise its gotten since release reaffirms my mistake.

Either way - always a pleasure Bane.

Galactus only has one really good reality warping feat - which was fixing Eternity (who most of time is the embodiment of everything in Marvel). The rest are rather mediocre - like bringing back the dead or stuff like that.