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@greysentinel365: Ah, ok.

As for the other, I probably sound like a broken record saying this, but: The event itself takes precedent of a quote describing it.

Can you elaborate?

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@imboredletsdebate:

Equal in force is the same. If someone is equal in force power as the other person, their TKs will cancel each other out.

Wrong. Many Jedi/Sith can be consider in the same league of Force power, but vary in TK ability, Premonition ability, Healing ability, Force Lightning, ect. You generalizing Luke force power as being equal to Vader in TK feats. Thats false.

Can you give some examples?

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@imboredletsdebate: equal in force is not the same at all in how you apply it. Anakin had more Force than Yoda in potential and minichlorians. He could not fight Yoda in force TK at all.

So mentioning his Force means nothing unless you can show him using it to any effect.

They are two different things. Not sure if you don't realize this, or if you are purposely twisting my words.

Equal in force is the same. If someone is equal in force power as the other person, their TKs will cancel each other out.

Force potential is not the same. For example, Anakin had more force potential than Yoda, but his force power was not at that level yet. That is why he would get ragdolled by Yoda. However, Luke's force at the time of ROTJ was equal to that of Vader's based on sources, prior to giving into his rage.

Here we have a source stating that Luke is actually more powerful than Vader, and has potential to be more powerful than Sidious

A body more powerful in the Force than Vader, potentially more powerful even than Palpatine. The body of a true hero, beloved by all right-thinking citizens in the galaxy as the very symbol of truth and justice...

Source: Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor

And source stating they are equally strong in the force

Although Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker are equally strong in the Force, their duels are more than just about physical strength.

Source: Beware the Sith

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@sirfizzwhizz said:
@imboredletsdebate said:

Could Luke solo this, cause I feel like he has a decent chance to.

Holy shit, I rest my case :/

I havent kept up with SW lore. Idk anything about Legends. I'm mostly going by power scaling, which seems to me that he could solo. Also, as for your comment about Luke having little force feats. He still has been stated as equal in the force to Vader. So we know his force power, as of ROTJ, is that of Vader's.

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Could Luke solo this, cause I feel like he has a decent chance to.

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Haven't kept up with SW Lore but

Nihilus is a severe weak link in lightsaber combat. Bane is probably the weakest force-wise, but I don't think the disparity is as great as Nihilus' lightsaber ability. Caedus is the most powerful and the most skilled....did you intend to only allow Team 1 a day of prep? Or did you forget it for Team 2?

If only Team 1 gets prep, they'll probably win it. A day of prep is a long time.

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@wollfmyth209 said:

@imboredletsdebate: Because these three Sith are above the three Jedi Palpatine blitzed, by a substantial margin, in almost every category. Mace not seeing it doesn't mean anything because Dooku's speed feats > Mace's anyways, and he's also more powerful than Mace with greater Force reserves. Similar thing with Bane, who's the most powerful of the trio of Sith. Malgus is lagging behind Dooku and Bane, but if they run inference, I doubt Palpatine would take him down in an instant. Both Dooku and Bane can react, and all three together should press him in a pure lightsaber duel. Force wise, yeah Sidious throws them in a wormhole.

No they aren't. Not even close to it. How did you come to that conclusion?

Agen defeated Sora, who was more or less Mace's equal with the blade. He was also shown to be on par with Vos, Sora, and, consequently, Mace Windu speed-wise, as shown by outdueling Sora and getting shots in on Vos.

Tiin dueled evenly with Mace during a sparring session. He was also said to be one of the most powerful force users of the order.

Fisto was called one of the greatest swordsmen of the Order during that time, and in the Order's history. He was able to baffle Obi-Wan with his speed. He was able to react to and more or less outduel General Grevious. Fisto was also able to react, for a short time, to Sidious.

What accolades do Malgus and Bane have that make them more skilled duelists, give them better reaction time, speed, and quickness, and make them more powerful, both physically and force-wise, especially "by a substantial margin".

Dooku's speed feats aren't much above Mace's, if they are at all. Otherwise, Mace wouldn't have been able to duel evenly with Dooku. Same goes for being more powerful and having greater force reserves.

None of the trio have ever shown the capability to react to Sidious, nor has anyone they have ever fought. You haven't even shown how they would be able to. Nothing puts the trio substantially above any of those arresting Sidious, and that was a 4 on 1. Not only that, but, even if they were able to react, we have seen something similar to it through Sidious vs Maul/Savage, Sidious vs Fisto/Mace, and Yoda disarming himself and dodging all of the Jedi Master's attacks whilst barely moving. It wouldn't be a close fight.

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@swiftbullet: It was a joke, lol.

Seriously, tho, Sidious does win both rounds. Round 1, in particular, is close.

Even if this is just RotS, which I assumed it was since EU Sidious would make it even more one-sided than it already is, how is it close?

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@imboredletsdebate: Why not? Dooku is just as skilled a duelist, considering that a Dark Empires Luke was able to hold up fairly well against Sidious. Plus, Palatine rarely uses the force to amp his physicals to the extent that Bane and Malgus do.

He's going to have one heck of a time going up against someone of similar skill that's back up by two brutes. He can't win against those odds.

Dooku isn't near as skilled of a duelist. DE Luke and Dooku are completely different people. At least one, Mace Windu, of the group that went to arrest Sidious was more or less Dooku level, without his amp. Sidious was able to blitz 3 other very capable jedi without him being able to react. When I say very capable jedi, I mean some of the best the order ever produced. Sidious uses the force to amp his physicals and speed quite a lot, actually. He was easily able to fend off Maul (Dooku-caliber duelist) and Savage, who's quite formidable by himself. Dooku is at least a notch below Sidious, and that notch is very noticable, as we have seen with Yoda vs Dooku and Sidious vs Dooku-caliber duelists. The other two are even lower, and haven't really done anything to suggest that wouldn't be speedblitzed off the bat or keep up in general.

He can and has won against those odds and even greater odds.

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@106me said:

Round 1: Team in a near stomp

Round 2: Palatine in a near stomp.

At least one person from the team is going to get speedblitz, and no pair of two can defeat Sidious in lightsaber combat. Team isn't even close to stomping in Round 1. They lose both rounds, handily.