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#1 Posted by IDontLikeBirds (607 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack said:

Why is Spoc touching Hal?

Vulcan mindmelt?

Vulcan mindMELD. He's not melting his brain. :P It allows their thoughts to be shared telepathically, in essence "melding" their minds into one.

#2 Posted by IDontLikeBirds (607 posts) - - Show Bio

@furiousweasel All that stuff you mentioned about Spider-man, it's all just an example of fans being afraid of change or progression with the character. Miles does bring something fresh. As you pointed out, people freaked out with anything new happening to Peter, and here you get Miles being very much like Peter was in his early days. He's dealing with being in high school and being new to being a superhero, with having lost family and blaming himself. He's a fresh and modern take without having to retell the origin of Peter. It's a case of having your cake (Peter Parker) and eating it too (Miles Morales). You get the new, and keep the old.

BTW Kaine isn't waiting in line to be Spider-man. If you read his series, you'd know he barely wanted to be a hero or like Spider-man. Miguel is off being his own guy, he doesn't want to replace Parker. Same with Miles. He's not looking to replace him. It's all of you who take issue with changes that look at these characters as trying to replace "their character" even though the original stays around. It only enriches things, not takes away.

"There also has to be some respect given to characters, creators and fans. A character is created, it becomes popular and successful enough to warrant movies, TV shows, video games etc. the character garners generations of fans over many decades and then out of the blue someone can just decide to ignore all that and change some major aspect of said character? and you think that's perfectly fine? No it's not, it's disrespectful to the character, the creators and those fans that have contributed to making the character a success in the first place."

You said you've been reading comics for twenty years. Why do you act like major changes to characters is something new? DC has been rebooting and changing characters for decades. Marvel retcons things all the time. I've been reading comics even longer, and I got used to these things after five years. It's not disrespectful, HE'S STILL AROUND. He's not replacing anyone. Yes, it's perfectly fine because you don't have to read Miles, and you can still see what Peter is doing. It sounds disrespectful for a fan to act entitled and not see where the story is going in the grand scheme of things and how it can enrich the characters history overall. Do I think it sucks what happened to Thor Odinson? Yes. Am I mad? No. I'll see what happens with Jane Foster as Thor, and I'm interested in seeing Odinson become worthy again. I'm enjoying the journey. I'm giving the writers the benefit of the doubt since they've been doing this so long.

#3 Posted by IDontLikeBirds (607 posts) - - Show Bio

@degalon said:
@dogsoldier88 said:
@degalon said:

@sasquatch888:

Yes he was the second Ultimate Spider-Man. But saying "Spider-Man" still brings Peter to mind, not Miles, and it never will. Now that he's brought over to 616, he needs to drop the Spider-Man moniker, to differentiate himself from the very much still alive Peter Parker.

Doesn't work that way.

It doesn't excuse replacing iconic characters. Build up pre-existing ones or make new ones, don't just race-swap existing ones, that's the lazy (and offensive) way out.

I'm actually okay with the idea of him being successful for once. It's the one good thing to come out of Superior Spider-Man.

That said, it should only be on the "Peter parker" side. Spider-Man should stay the same.

@voicesinmyhead said:

@dogsoldier88: I get what you are saying but it still just comes off as pandering. Instead of hijacking another heroes established identity they should come up with new and interesting ones and make them minorities/women. Respect the Mythos. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy both Carol Danvers(as Captain Marvel) and Miles Morales. Would just rather they not kill off/replace a character for the sake of diversity.

This so much.

Although Carol will forever be Ms Marvel with the iconic lightning bolt and red sash, to me. Miles....really needs his own superhero name so we can call him that instead of his real name all the time lol. Same with Kamala.

Interesting.

I don't recall this kind of fan furor over Michael O'Hara (Spider-Man 2099), or even Ben Reilly (Scarlet Spider). And one of those guys is a 616 Peter Parker CLONE for freak's sake. I think you're views apply more to the Jane Foster Thor, rather than Miles Morales.

Miles, like Michael O'Hara, is from a different place. Miles' Peter Parker is dead, and in his world there was no more Spider-Man anymore. He is technically not in the 616 yet, but when he does finally get stuck there, he has no reason to stop using the name Spider-Man as it honors HIS dead 1610 Peter Parker (not the 616 adult Peter Parker). Miles Morales has basically earned his title as Spider-Man. If you read the Ultimate Spider-Man, you'd see why. It's actually a good book. Plus, with all the multi-versal Spider-Men now crammed into the 616, all these people calling out Miles Morales just comes off a little.. well... Confederate.

@nukea6 - Miles Morales has proven just as popular as Kamala Kahn. So popular that Marvel's editor's have made the decision to let him be Spider-Man in their flagship Spider-related book. Plus, Miles has powers Peter doesn't (the camouflage ability, and the electric "venom strike").

So suck it up boys. Thor is now a title that can be transferred to another person... and Spider-Man is now a biracial Latino kid.

Except he's not. Spider-Man is a white guy named Peter Parker.

Miles is the second Ultimate Spider-Man. Miguel is Spider-Man 2099. Notice how neither of them are the plain "Spider-Man." That's to differentiate them from Peter. But now Miles is no longer an "Ultimate" spider-man, so that presents a problem.

As for Ben, the catch is that is wasn't spider-man at first. He was The Scarlet Spider. And when he became the second Spidey, it didn't matter because a) Peter wasn't in the role, so the name was free, and b) He was exactly the same as Peter (Since he WAS peter, just in a cooler costume), so it didn't even matter.

Thor is still Thor Odinson, same as he's always been. Jane Foster is just a temporary "Lady Thor", not Thor himself. Much like Erick Masterson and Beta Ray bill took up the hammer as "substitute Thors" for a time, I'm sure Thor will get the hammer back and Jane will get her own unique hammer and identity like the others. Jane as Lady Thor has been done 4 times already (female version twice, and a substitute standing in for thor Twice.)

And did you seriously just try to pull the race card?

@furiousweasel said:

Squirrel Girl is a member of the Avengers?

That part, actually, is totally awesome, and her appearances will be the only comics I buy.

Though I guess they'll have to water her down like Juggernaut and Deadpool so as not to make the rest of the team look useless.

@dogsoldier88 said:

@voicesinmyhead:

But the moves by Marvel (and DC to much, much, much lesser extent) are meant to expand the market, not contract it. Yes, they know they will lose fans who can't stomach the loss of White male primacy.

Well they failed horribly, since they've done nothing but enrage....everyone with what is blatantly changes purely for shock value and publicity. If they wanted to actually expand the market, they'd be promoting their more diverse characters. But instead they'd rather contract it by ignoring all their diverse heroes in favor of just having second rate "minority substitutes" of major heroes.

@nukea6 said:

@dogsoldier88: Miles popularity comes mostly from people who don't even read comics and even then, he's still below Kamala's popularity. He is completely dwarfed by Peter's popularity and having extra powers doesn't change the fact that he's a very sappy character and such a poor Spider-Man replacement that they had to revive Ultimate Peter.

Thor only became a title because of political correctness. Before that, that was the true name of what Marvel now calls Odinson plus, it doesn't make any sense when the rest of the Norse god pantheon don't have titles for names. You don't see Freyja stealing Odin's name even though she ruled in his place and changed Asgard to Asgardia.

Exactly. Miles is well recieved, but he still completely lags behind Peter and Miguel in terms of popularity, and Kamala is flat out LOVED (I like her as a character but not as Ms Marvel. That will always be Carol to me.) Its laughable to think he'd ever actually replace Peter as Spider-Man. Hell, his only purpose in Ultimate was to be compared to Ultimate Peter Parker.

@dogsoldier88 said:

The shift to making Peter Parker the adult, globe trotting Spider-Man leaves a void for younger fans.

It hasn't for the past like, 30 years. Peter was only a "teen" hero back in the 60s, recent cartoons, and Ultimate. actual comics peter has been a married, adult hero with adult problems for the past several decades, and people always loved him.

@dogsoldier88 said:
@degalon said:

@sasquatch888:

Yes he was the second Ultimate Spider-Man. But saying "Spider-Man" still brings Peter to mind, not Miles, and it never will. Now that he's brought over to 616, he needs to drop the Spider-Man moniker, to differentiate himself from the very much still alive Peter Parker.

Doesn't work that way.

It doesn't excuse replacing iconic characters. Build up pre-existing ones or make new ones, don't just race-swap existing ones, that's the lazy (and offensive) way out.

I'm actually okay with the idea of him being successful for once. It's the one good thing to come out of Superior Spider-Man.

That said, it should only be on the "Peter parker" side. Spider-Man should stay the same.

@voicesinmyhead said:

@dogsoldier88: I get what you are saying but it still just comes off as pandering. Instead of hijacking another heroes established identity they should come up with new and interesting ones and make them minorities/women. Respect the Mythos. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy both Carol Danvers(as Captain Marvel) and Miles Morales. Would just rather they not kill off/replace a character for the sake of diversity.

This so much.

Although Carol will forever be Ms Marvel with the iconic lightning bolt and red sash, to me. Miles....really needs his own superhero name so we can call him that instead of his real name all the time lol. Same with Kamala.

Interesting.

I don't recall this kind of fan furor over Michael O'Hara (Spider-Man 2099), or even Ben Reilly (Scarlet Spider). And one of those guys is a 616 Peter Parker CLONE for freak's sake. I think you're views apply more to the Jane Foster Thor, rather than Miles Morales.

Miles, like Michael O'Hara, is from a different place. Miles' Peter Parker is dead, and in his world there was no more Spider-Man anymore. He is technically not in the 616 yet, but when he does finally get stuck there, he has no reason to stop using the name Spider-Man as it honors HIS dead 1610 Peter Parker (not the 616 adult Peter Parker). Miles Morales has basically earned his title as Spider-Man. If you read the Ultimate Spider-Man, you'd see why. It's actually a good book. Plus, with all the multi-versal Spider-Men now crammed into the 616, all these people calling out Miles Morales just comes off a little.. well... Confederate.

@nukea6 - Miles Morales has proven just as popular as Kamala Kahn. So popular that Marvel's editor's have made the decision to let him be Spider-Man in their flagship Spider-related book. Plus, Miles has powers Peter doesn't (the camouflage ability, and the electric "venom strike").

So suck it up boys. Thor is now a title that can be transferred to another person... and Spider-Man is now a biracial Latino kid.

Except he's not. Spider-Man is a white guy named Peter Parker.

Miles is the second Ultimate Spider-Man. Miguel is Spider-Man 2099. Notice how neither of them are the plain "Spider-Man." That's to differentiate them from Peter. But now Miles is no longer an "Ultimate" spider-man, so that presents a problem.

As for Ben, the catch is that is wasn't spider-man at first. He was The Scarlet Spider. And when he became the second Spidey, it didn't matter because a) Peter wasn't in the role, so the name was free, and b) He was exactly the same as Peter (Since he WAS peter, just in a cooler costume), so it didn't even matter.

Thor is still Thor Odinson, same as he's always been. Jane Foster is just a temporary "Lady Thor", not Thor himself. Much like Erick Masterson and Beta Ray bill took up the hammer as "substitute Thors" for a time, I'm sure Thor will get the hammer back and Jane will get her own unique hammer and identity like the others. Jane as Lady Thor has been done 4 times already (female version twice, and a substitute standing in for thor Twice.)

And did you seriously just try to pull the race card?

@furiousweasel said:

Squirrel Girl is a member of the Avengers?

That part, actually, is totally awesome, and her appearances will be the only comics I buy.

Though I guess they'll have to water her down like Juggernaut and Deadpool so as not to make the rest of the team look useless.

@dogsoldier88 said:

@voicesinmyhead:

But the moves by Marvel (and DC to much, much, much lesser extent) are meant to expand the market, not contract it. Yes, they know they will lose fans who can't stomach the loss of White male primacy.

Well they failed horribly, since they've done nothing but enrage....everyone with what is blatantly changes purely for shock value and publicity. If they wanted to actually expand the market, they'd be promoting their more diverse characters. But instead they'd rather contract it by ignoring all their diverse heroes in favor of just having second rate "minority substitutes" of major heroes.

@nukea6 said:

@dogsoldier88: Miles popularity comes mostly from people who don't even read comics and even then, he's still below Kamala's popularity. He is completely dwarfed by Peter's popularity and having extra powers doesn't change the fact that he's a very sappy character and such a poor Spider-Man replacement that they had to revive Ultimate Peter.

Thor only became a title because of political correctness. Before that, that was the true name of what Marvel now calls Odinson plus, it doesn't make any sense when the rest of the Norse god pantheon don't have titles for names. You don't see Freyja stealing Odin's name even though she ruled in his place and changed Asgard to Asgardia.

Exactly. Miles is well recieved, but he still completely lags behind Peter and Miguel in terms of popularity, and Kamala is flat out LOVED (I like her as a character but not as Ms Marvel. That will always be Carol to me.) Its laughable to think he'd ever actually replace Peter as Spider-Man. Hell, his only purpose in Ultimate was to be compared to Ultimate Peter Parker.

@dogsoldier88 said:

The shift to making Peter Parker the adult, globe trotting Spider-Man leaves a void for younger fans.

It hasn't for the past like, 30 years. Peter was only a "teen" hero back in the 60s, recent cartoons, and Ultimate. actual comics peter has been a married, adult hero with adult problems for the past several decades, and people always loved him. There was never a "void for younger fans". Kids loved adult Spidey in the old 90s cartoon. Kids loved adult spidey in the movies. Kids loved adult spidey in the games. Kids loved adult spidey in the comics.

@dogsoldier88 said:

The teen-based angst stories will be relegated to Miles Morales, who will be operating in New York City.

That doesn't hold weight either. There's already other teen spiders to fill that gap, with May Parker and Anya. Also the last MVP clone is still running around somewhere I think (Currently wearing the Iron Spider armor, I might add). And there were teen spiders many times before, with Peter himself originally, Mattie Franklin, Anya again, Steel Spider, etc, etc.

The main issue is that Miles is a solution to a problem that never existed.

Few corrections.

Spider-man is not a white guy (you'd think after reading Spiderverse you'd learn that Spider-man goes beyond one person). Peter Parker is a white guy however (at least the one we've known). Miguel and Miles are only Spider-man 2099 and Ultimate Spider-man to US, the reader. In their world, they're known as Spider-man. Same with all the Spider-men we add adjectives to: Noir, Ultimate, India, UK, etc. Jane Foster is for all intents and purposes Thor. She is only Lady Thor to those who have been bitter (readers) and won't recognize her role that even the previous Thor aka Odison, acknowledges. It's the readers who make the distinctions. In their own worlds they're just heroes and don't need to add all the other adjectives. And they are promoting their diverse characters, just not in the way you want.

Some of the "diverse characters" as you like to call them (when I just prefer saying characters), don't really do as well. How long did War Machine/Iron Patriots series last? Six issues. So they use current heroes as a mantle to promote diversity, which realistically makes more sense. It seems too coincidental that only white people can really get powers. You know, I don't recall this much of an uproar with Bucky becoming Captain America, but somehow there is with The Falcon, even though The Falcon has been his partner (not a sidekick like Bucky), and always treated as an equal by Steve. People also just don't want to try to support a new character sometimes, and this is a good way to get it to happen. Whoever is wearing the mask, has the hammer, or whatever, shouldn't matter. I thought part of being a hero was just doing what was right and helping people, and that the persona transcended the person behind the mask. It reminds me of Batman talking about Batman being more of an ideal, and not a person.

#4 Edited by IDontLikeBirds (607 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm might check it out. I mean, he's no Kevin Sorbo, so I guess this will do.

#5 Edited by IDontLikeBirds (607 posts) - - Show Bio

Huh, this um....interesting. Billy Zane, not a bad choice, and interesting they would go with two villains they never did before. But um...yeah...the guy remembered for banging a pie in that one movie as The Scorpion...yeah... I hope we don't get an update saying this was confirmed by Latino Review.

#6 Posted by IDontLikeBirds (607 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:

Batgirl doesn't need to be in this movie

The article didn't say anything about her IN the movie, just that she would be possibly be Barbara Gordon. She could appear in one of the stand alone Batman movies planned or something else.

#7 Posted by IDontLikeBirds (607 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on how many episodes they need to make. :P

Anyways, I say 2. 3 would be just in case. Curious though if we have 2 Goku's, how would it work with them and doing fusion.

#8 Posted by IDontLikeBirds (607 posts) - - Show Bio

@noj said:

Meh. Its not good news, or bad news either. He could have been a good Gambit, but I never thought he was PERFECT for the role. He should come on over to DC and be Guy Gardner! I think he would be a better Guy than Gambit.

How I feel about it. I don't think he would have great, though maybe over time he could grow into the role more. I think he would have been good, not horrible, or great, just good.

Also I really agree about the Guy Gardner thing. I can really picture it now.

#9 Posted by IDontLikeBirds (607 posts) - - Show Bio

You mean can SOMEONE, not anyone, beat Wonder Woman, right? Anyone would imply that ANY character could potentially beat her. If you mean that, then no, not anyone. If you just mean someone, as in is there a character who has the ability to beat her, then yes.

#10 Posted by IDontLikeBirds (607 posts) - - Show Bio

Just saw it today, rather enjoyed it. I liked it more than Age of Ultron, got more interested and invested. I enjoy Scott Lang and felt they nailed the character. Glad to see Marvel is trying other characters. Characters like these will open the door for them to take more chances. As for why him and not others, it's probably because of how things are in the MCU, that he fits in well. The character will be easy to use in other things.