Vampires and Werewolves... in a zombie apocalypse

I was reading a Vertigo preview of a new series coming out by Dan Abnett called "the New Deadwardians". Essentially, its about vampires during a zombie apocalypse (there's more to it than that, but I'll let you go discover it for yourself). It got me thinking about the important things in life: specifically, who would have the advantage in a zombie apocalypse between vampires and werewolves?

The cop-out answer is: it depends. There have been so many different versions of the mythology that governs vampires and werewolves that its hard to pick a clear winner. It depends on their weaknesses, strengths and the other rules of their species. Hobbling together rules from a bunch of different sources (Buffy, Walking Dead, etc.), this is what the breakdown looks like:

Vampires

Advantages

  • Will not be attacked and can't be turned into a zombie
  • Long life
  • Super-strength?
  • Do not require sleep

Disadvantages

  • Only sustained by living (non-zombie) flesh
  • Powers weakened by feeding on smaller animals
  • Cannot move freely in daylight
  • Killed by sunlight, wooden stakes, decapitation
  • Injured by churches, crosses, holy things
  • Can't enter human living quarters without permission

Werewolves

Advantages

  • Longer life?
  • (As werewolf) Super-strength
  • (As werewolf) Thick hide provides added protection
  • Will be attacked, but can't be turned into zombie in werewolf form (assumption: no zombie animals)
  • Can eat living or non-living flesh (does that include zombies?)
  • (As humans) Can move freely in daylight

Disadvantages

  • Will be attacked and can be turned into a zombie in human form
  • Need to sleep like regular human
  • Killed by silver bullet, decapitation or removal of heart
  • Only a werewolf 3 nights a month?

Humans

Advantages

  • Can eat pretty much whatever they want
  • Can move freely in daylight and churches

Disadvantages

  • Can be turned into a zombie, vampire or werewolf
  • Limited lifespan
  • Require sleep
  • Easily injured
  • Relatively weak compared to vampires and werewolves
38 Comments
38 Comments
Posted by EdBlank

Ultimately nothing can survive a Zombie Apocalypse (in large numbers anyway). I reject your assertion that any of the above cannot become zombies. That's the whole thing about zombies: avoid becoming one. Take that away and you don't have a zombie movie. So I say vampires in a zombie movie equals zombie vampires. Same with Werevolves. So here's why vampires can't beat zombies: cause once one vampire becomes a zombie, then it's a wrap for the rest of the vampires. One zombie werewolf...

Posted by Vortex13

@humanfly26: Animals can become zombies. Case and point, resident evil there were zombie doberman pitchers.

Posted by ARMIV2

If the vampires played low key and maybe started some human farming compounds to keep themselves going I could see 'em living through a zombie apocalypse. And if werewolves can eat non-living meat, and supposing they don't get infected once they turn back into their human forms, then they've got a lot of free reign as far as how they can handle the situation.

Humans would have to be really be clever in their attempts at survival though, with the vampires and werewolves in the zombie apocalypse and all. I suppose they could make barricaded fortresses out of churches to keep the zombies and vampires out, but werewolves... if they can get their hands on some silver relics...

Posted by Strider92

@humanfly26: Are we using Werewolves or Lycans as well? If we use Lycans they are the clear winner as they can elect whenever they want to transform any time any place thus if they get cornered *bam* they wolf out and kill the zombies then eat them. Then they can go back to being human straight after and do whatever the hell they like until more zombies come.

Posted by humanfly26

@EdBlank: i reject your assertion that vampires can be turned into zombies. Zombies need living flesh. Zombies don't eat other zombies because they are dead. Zombies shouldn't not care about vampires because they are also dead. At least that's the way it is in the "New Deadwardians" which is what made me post this in the first place.

@Vortex13: like i said, it depends on whose rules you use. For example, in Twilight, vampires can walk around in the daylight. In any respectable vampire story, they can't. In Resident Evil, you can have zombie animals. In an interview with Robert Kirkman, he said there are no animal zombies in Walking Dead world. I decided to go with those rules because it makes it more of a fair fight.

@ARMIV2: That's something I've been wondering about.. Can humans/werewolves eat Zombies without turning into a zombie? I mean, ideally you wouldn't want to eat a zombie, but if you were desperate...

@Strider92: I was thinking just werewolves. You're right: if they can be a werewolf whenever they want then its not really a fair fight! That would be like if vampires could walk around during the day (perish the thought)

Posted by Strider92

@humanfly26: In that case I still think Werewolves have the advantage as they have a huge food supply they can eat Zombies when Wolf'd out and human food during the day so they never go hungry and as Vamps are only active at night when they can wolf out they can hold their own pretty well.

Posted by PikminMania

@humanfly26: That's an odd concept. Especially since its (kinda) already been done:

Posted by The Stegman

I think vampires would have a better chance in surviving than humans or werewolves due to being able to survive a zombie bite

Posted by Malonius

Vampires would probably be in the awkward position of having to try and save the human race. It would be an enormous pain to go out every night and kill hundreds or thousands of zombies while weakened from having to eat animals rather than humans. Even if they have super speed and strength and are in zero danger it would take them years to clear out a major city. Vampires would have to think long term, secretly helping surviving humans get together and then protecting those communities to give the humans a chance to repopulate.

Edited by Jorgevy

@humanfly26:

not entirely true. In respectable vampire stories (specially the earliest) vampires can walk outside during day. They just need hats, umbrellas or cloudy days so they dont get hit by direct sunlight. Actually the first vampire book ever followed this rule (cant remember name but I'll google it)

EDIT: I think it was Bam Stokers "Dracula". And the fobia/danger cause by sunlight appeared with Nosferatu. So the sunlight kills vampires thing is up to the choice of the writer IMO

Posted by joshmightbe

Actually if you went by the real werewolf legends you'd see that the full moon thing was invented by hollywood

Posted by humanfly26

@PikminMania: interesting... what comic is that? Can you link to its page on the site?

Posted by Primmaster64

Werewolf can eat Zombies?

Posted by Strider92

@Jorgevy: True there are loads of different variations but the OP has stated they can't go out in daylight so for the sake of the scenario we have to follow that.

Posted by Jorgevy

@Strider92: Yeah I guess. I was just stating that the daylight thing isnt used by crappy writers. Its older than that

Posted by PikminMania

@humanfly26 said:

@PikminMania: interesting... what comic is that? Can you link to its page on the site?

It doesn't have a page on Comic Vine. Its an independent comic, you can get a preview here:

http://www.comixtribe.com/2011/10/12/runners-invades-the-new-york-comic-con/

Posted by HBKTimHBK

According to these rules here, vampires would survive longer.

Posted by humanfly26

@Primmaster64 said:

Werewolf can eat Zombies?

that's a good question! Has there ever been a story where some predator attempts to eat a zombie? what do you think would happen?

Posted by Strider92

@humanfly26: The only incidence of this i've seen that even slightly resembles this was in "I Am Legend". When Neville's dog Sam got into a fight and bit a chunk out of another infected dog. A few hours later Neville was forced to kill him as he began to transform but it is debatable as to whether the creatures in that where Zombies as they still retained basic emotions and kept their human speed and strength. Thus its debatable if I can use this as an example as in my opinion I see them more as infected than the living dead.

Posted by Primmaster64
@humanfly26 said:

@Primmaster64 said:

Werewolf can eat Zombies?

that's a good question! Has there ever been a story where some predator attempts to eat a zombie? what do you think would happen?

Depends if it doesn't affect a Werewolf.
Posted by The Stegman
@Strider92:  

 
@humanfly26 : The only incidence of this i've seen that even slightly resembles this was in "I Am Legend". When Neville's dog Sam got into a fight and bit a chunk out of another infected dog. A few hours later Neville was forced to kill him as he began to transform but it is debatable as to whether the creatures in that where Zombies as they still retained basic emotions and kept their human speed and strength. Thus its debatable if I can use this as an example as in my opinion I see them more as infected than the living dead.

 
two thing wrong with that... 
 
1. Neville's dog didn't transform because he bit the infected dogs, rather because he was bitten by the infected dogs, it's stated in the movie that dogs were immune only to the airborne virus, not ones transferred by bite 
 
2. As you said, the infected in that movie were just that...infected, they still fed, breathed, and had heart beats, for all intensive purposes they were alive. However in the original book, they were closer akin to vampires than zombies 
 
 
Personally i'd say if a werewolf were to eat a zombie, it would be the same affect as eating rancid meat, extreme food poisoning then death
Posted by Malevolent1

Well, we're operating under a lot of assumptions. So I will answer with some assumptions of my own:

It seems apparent that Zombies, Werewolves and Vampires would all be competing for the same food source. Or maybe not. Depending on the movie, Zombies crave ANY flesh. And, like Zombies, while it is assumed Werewolves and Vampires crave human flesh, they don't NEED it. They can survive off of other fleshly creatures. However, if it is assumed that the only food source is one common to all the players mentioned above, then it would seem to me the Werewolves and Vampires would be united in destroying their stupider competitors: the Zombies. With enhanced speed and strength, it may take a while, but I could see the Werewolves and Vampires ultimately being the saving grace of the human race as they slowly, systematically begin wiping out the Zombie population and restoring balance to planet earth. Meantime, blood banks and wild animals would be viable alternatives for Werewolves and Vampires alike until they wipe out the Zombies. I just don't see dumb, slow moving Zombies being any real threat to Vampires and Werewolves who have (or ASSUMED to have) average human intelligence couple with great speed and strength. I am also assuming that Vampires and Werewolves are immune to Zombie bites (???). I have not seen one Vampire or Werewolf movie that indicated they are subject to any of the terrestrial diseases common to humans, but rather are otherwise immortal unless silver, garlic, sunlight, etc, comes into the picture.

Vampires and Werewolves for the easy, squeezy, lemon peasey win.

Posted by Strider92

@The Stegman said:

1. Neville's dog didn't transform because he bit the infected dogs, rather because he was bitten by the infected dogs, it's stated in the movie that dogs were immune only to the airborne virus, not ones transferred by bite .

Oh yeah, you're right I forgot about that but I only saw the film once ages ago and I didn't like it so I never watched it again so my memory of the story isn't great (Book was better!).

Just out of plain curiosity, it said Dogs where immune to the air born virus so what would happen to them if a healthy dog where to bite an infected one? I think it would probably give the same result as the virus would have direct access to the animals body through its mouth.

@Malevolent1: 1 thing I would argue is that the Vampire's are at a bigger disadvantage as they need human blood (not flesh) to stay at full strength drinking animal blood is going to weaken them and mostly likely put them below Werewolves in terms of ability. Where as Werewolves can survive and still stay at full power on almost any flesh be it animal or human. So the wolves have an advantage there.

Posted by Soulstealer

Personally I'd ask if Werewolves are capable of being infected with the Zombie virus if it is indeed a virus. Lycanthropy in a lot of media is also a virus, however there are times when it prevents one from getting any other viruses at all, even in human form. Saying that werewolves don't get sick. The same can also be said of vampires. But I ask because werewolves lack a lot of the disadvantages vampires suffer from so depending werewolves might actually handle a zombie apocalypse better than any other conventional living thing.

Posted by Strider92

@Soulstealer: Yeah and Vamps can't come out during the day so if a crowd of Zombies stumbled upon a sleeping one or one just hiding from the sun then the Vamp is gonna be forced to fight them to stay alive while remaining in its hiding place and we all know what happens once a few Zombies find you.

Posted by Soulstealer

@Strider92 said:

@Soulstealer: Yeah and Vamps can't come out during the day so if a crowd of Zombies stumbled upon a sleeping one or one just hiding from the sun then the Vamp is gonna be forced to fight them to stay alive while remaining in its hiding place and we all know what happens once a few Zombies find you.

I'd consider that, but likewise I'd also ask if Zombies would care. If they treat a vampire as a food source it could change things seriously. But if they treat them as just "another zombie" it would benefit the vamp pretty well but the need for a specific food source and the sunlight problem are still things so I'd still stand by wolves if they are immune.

I think someone said it best though that really vamps and wolves should team up, defend some humans and build communities to repopulate the human species while wiping out the zombie plague bit by bit. Of course that's assuming that wolves and vamps are immune to zombie plague. And if they aren't, it would depend on what their zombie counter parts are like. If they're just zombies with claws and fangs, the supernaturals should probably just build some arsenals and tear through them. If they're something else, it would depend on their physical stats and remaining intellect in my opinion.

Posted by Strider92

@Soulstealer: Yeah I think the OP needs to state a few more things Eg: Are the Werewolves and Vamps trying to kill one another or just neutral? Do the Zombies treat Vampires as a food source? These effect the out come greatly.

If the Vamps and Wolves are trying to kill each other (like in Underworld) the Wolves could win easily just by killing the remaining humans (as they still remain at full strength eating animals) then hunting down the Vamps when they are weak from lack of human blood. If zombies are treating Vamps as food then any Vamp hiding during the day is toast if they are found.

So in conclusion we need more info!

Posted by Soulstealer

@Strider92 said:

@Soulstealer: Yeah I think the OP needs to state a few more things Eg: Are the Werewolves and Vamps trying to kill one another or just neutral? Do the Zombies treat Vampires as a food source? These effect the out come greatly.

If the Vamps and Wolves are trying to kill each other (like in Underworld) the Wolves could win easily just by killing the remaining humans (as they still remain at full strength eating animals) then hunting down the Vamps when they are weak from lack of human blood. If zombies are treating Vamps as food then any Vamp hiding during the day is toast if they are found.

So in conclusion we need more info!

Agreed. And all the answers to those questions make things brand new in terms of scenario. If you change a single answer, it's a brand new ball game.

Posted by humanfly26

@Strider92 said:

@Soulstealer: Yeah I think the OP needs to state a few more things Eg: Are the Werewolves and Vamps trying to kill one another or just neutral? Do the Zombies treat Vampires as a food source? These effect the out come greatly.

give me some credit. Look at the first "advantage" under Vampires. IMO, Vampires cannot be turned into zombies. Furthermore, zombies won't even try to attack a vampire because they will see it as just another dead thing walking around.

As for the other question... I guess it could be to each side's advantage to work together, but we're talking about an age-old blood feud. I assumed that each side would see this as an opportunity to finish their rivals off once and for all.

What do you think? Would the vampires and werewolves see a zombie apocalypse as a threat to the continuation of their species, or an opportunity to eliminate their rivals?

Posted by Strider92

@humanfly26 said:

give me some credit.

I wasn't trying to criticize you or have a go at you, sorry if it came across that way, wasn't my intent.

If Zombies aren't attacking Vampires then I can see them having to ally themselves with the humans to prevent their race dying out. I can kind of see Werewolves being the odd one out as they don't need humans to live and as they seem to be neutral with the Vamps (per your description) I guess they either team up or go it alone.

Posted by KomicKev

I have to wonder about zombie's rotting flesh. Eventually, that rotten flesh-meat is going to simply fall off the bones. Would werewolves even eat rotting pestilence-filled flesh? It may not kill them, but it could sure make them sick (and weak?). Eat one bad zombie and get sick and incapacitated and the rest of the horde can pile on. Just a thought.

Posted by BloodTalon

I would Have to give the advantage to the wolves hear as long as we are going under the parameters set by the OP.

Key points on why

1. Zombies and vampires are going after the same food source.

2. no Zombie animals.

Now the wolves have the option to go out in to the wilderness away from populated places.

Posted by BloodTalon

@Malonius said:

Vampires would probably be in the awkward position of having to try and save the human race. It would be an enormous pain to go out every night and kill hundreds or thousands of zombies while weakened from having to eat animals rather than humans. Even if they have super speed and strength and are in zero danger it would take them years to clear out a major city. Vampires would have to think long term, secretly helping surviving humans get together and then protecting those communities to give the humans a chance to repopulate.

agree with this as well. It would probably be the the Vampires best chance of survival.

Posted by Soulstealer

@humanfly26 said:

@Strider92 said:

@Soulstealer: Yeah I think the OP needs to state a few more things Eg: Are the Werewolves and Vamps trying to kill one another or just neutral? Do the Zombies treat Vampires as a food source? These effect the out come greatly.

give me some credit. Look at the first "advantage" under Vampires. IMO, Vampires cannot be turned into zombies. Furthermore, zombies won't even try to attack a vampire because they will see it as just another dead thing walking around.

As for the other question... I guess it could be to each side's advantage to work together, but we're talking about an age-old blood feud. I assumed that each side would see this as an opportunity to finish their rivals off once and for all.

What do you think? Would the vampires and werewolves see a zombie apocalypse as a threat to the continuation of their species, or an opportunity to eliminate their rivals?

@Strider92 said:

@humanfly26 said:

give me some credit.

I wasn't trying to criticize you or have a go at you, sorry if it came across that way, wasn't my intent.

If Zombies aren't attacking Vampires then I can see them having to ally themselves with the humans to prevent their race dying out. I can kind of see Werewolves being the odd one out as they don't need humans to live and as they seem to be neutral with the Vamps (per your description) I guess they either team up or go it alone.

First off, this. lol

But to be honest I don't see why the wolves wouldn't help. Sure if they hate the vamps this might be a chance to get rid of them, but it seems like a stupid trade up. Zombies for vampires. At least Vamps are sentient creatures (one day you might call a truce or even just get tired of each other and agree to stop fighting), zombies on the other hand are all instinct and let's be honest even if you are a werewolf, unless you enjoy just living in the woods alone, a zombie apocalypse sucks. No urban centers at all, no food you don't make yourself, no entertainment that you don't make yourself. Also there is the annoyance of zombies trying to eat you everywhere you go unless you're in your animal form.

Even if Zombies aren't a real threat to them, I think all of that gets tired pretty fast. Of course that's not to say that zombies wouldn't be a threat, but that's just to say that even if the wolves didn't consider them a threat, it still an annoying existence unless you're up for living like a hermit.

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Edited by koshi_waza88

Gorge Romero classic zombies eat anything that moves that means vampires and wearwolfs, vampires are vulnerable to dead mans blood mention in not only supernatural series but also other vampire sources including ann rice "interview with a vampire" so being bit by a zombie with a mouth full of blood could be hazardous to a vampire.. magic and science vampires, zombies, werewolves have completely different power sets and advantages/disadvantages

Posted by MasterKungFu

humans arm themselves with UV torch and silver bullets