I agree with a lot of this, I mean sure there were some let dwns, but if you pick out all the good parts and re read the series (not so much tie ins haha!) I think it was simply amazing!!
Any way here are my pros and cons about 17! :)
pros: SPOILERS!!!: Alfred being jokerized, the whole "why dont you just kill me speech" by Joker (including the "you left the door open hoping I would kill this family of yours" ), Batman threatening to kill joker and bluffing about knowing his identity, BRUCE VISITING JOKER IN HIS CEL!?! :0 These are like the biggest things to ever happen in a joker story! For the first time it showed the joker knew all along who batman was but just didnt care! Thats pretty epic!! The fire part was also cool and is it just me or was that cat a nod to the dark knight (fat guy with bomb in him)- OH!! And the bat at the start was amazing, reminding bruce of basically how he became batman and how he and joker had same experience!!
cons: The platters :( I thought the face thing was really cool and totally unexpected! Imagine what the next individual issues would be like with the team having to wear full face masks covering their scars! Or if the joker switched their faces or turned them upside down (ok.. maybe a bit extreme lol!xD) but the fact that they were fakes isnt the joker at ALL!!! What was the point of them being fake haha!?!?!! Alfred not dying! -ok, jokerized was still awesome but I thought his death would surely drive bruce to a complete turning point! And I guess the final showdown, I really wanted to hear bruce say joker's real name haha! Plus I thought Joker falling down into the waterfall wasn't very original hehe! Oh well! Another con was that batman had a bomb, surely joker would've completely disarmed him b4 the dinner!
Theories of mine: I reckon the real reason why the family's faces weren't truly cut off and that alfred didnt die may have actually been because Joker was afraid that Batman would actually KILL HIM haha! I mean really, if thoes happened, Joker would've died by batmans hands no question about it! Think about it, with out those happening Batman came close and was threatening Joker, and Joker was TERRIFIED, reminding him that his family was in danger and to go rescue them instead of dealing with him! Joker wouldnt do all of this just to have batman kill him! And last joker is still alive (fly on screen at end! )
Q's: So were they in the batcave in the end?! I was confused!
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