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@saint_wildcard: Tula Lotay did the first cover. Her work is friggin gorgeous. If you haven't checked out Supreme: Blue Rose, I'd highly recommend it. She does the interiors and covers and it's so beautiful.

@saren: You realize that when people talk about representation, they aren't talking about the characters literally just appearing on the pages, right? And that there's a context to the situations those characters are put in?

All I'm saying, is don't add that Justice Society added WW like her appearing in that comic somehow helped representation for women in comics.

@stahlflamme: Why choose one over the other? Seems to me that you can do both.

This isn't really that tough. The reason feminism exists is because we live in a patriarchal society that's marginalized women's values and contributions to the world. Gay pride parades exist because their sexual preference has been demonized for hundreds of years through different societies. The reason why we can have an NAACP and not an NAAWP is because white people don't need help advancing; we're usually too busy counting all the money we've made off the backs of hard-working colored folks.

As long as women aren't treated equally in our society, then girl-power-themed push back will always happen. If we lived in a vacuum where sexism hasn't been rampant for decades, then we wouldn't need an all female comic team to bring in female readers because we wouldn't have been pushing them away from the medium for years; all while hanging the "No Gurlz Allowd!" sign on the door.

@saren: You're so right. The JSA made her an honorary member, and let her be a secretary! Talk about equality! It really was a great day for representation of women in comics, right?

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Anybody who wants to mention that there's almost always at least one woman in a team book needs to brush up on their knowledge of tokenism in different medias. If most of the times men were represented in team books, they were the obligatory dude who was really just there for eye-candy, then I'd be all for an all male team.

@thor_parker82: The artist is a woman. And if I had to bet, I'd say it's as if Marvel expected her to draw it this way. Crazy, huh? Keep sippin that Haterade, folks.

I thought the first issue was great; looking forward to some Galactus. I'll have to enjoy this before Secret Wars comes up and pisses in everybody's Wheaties.

I didn't say they equate to one another; but that you could give that impression. You just seem to want to deem two publishers more "comic booky" than any of the others without explaining what you mean. It seems like a way to invalidate comics made by other publishers. "It's fine if you like those comics, but they're less comic booky." What does that even mean, ya know? "Comic booky" is just a terrible description to use. Comic books are a medium, not a genre or mood or feeling.

@captainmarvel4ever: Yeah, I'm not looking to start any debates about for-hire vs. creator-owned titles, I just don't know what comic booky means. You should totally read what entertains you more; so if you dig stuff from Marvel and DC more than other publishers, then you should read that. I'd just hate to deem them more "comic booky" than other publishers who make comic books. Saying things like that could make folks think that you might not respect them as much as the big two. (See how I tied that back to what started the convo?)

@captainmarvel4ever: Haha, of course. The really comic booky moments are what made that show comic booky. That's what I'm talkin about; it's really tough to understand what you mean about Marvel and DC being more comic booky when you can't explain what it means.

@captainmarvel4ever: I'm still not quite sure what you mean. I read Lumberjanes, and thought it was zany and crazy, while also giving the characters a chance to be heroic when they were on their adventures. So would the comics that Marvel or DC make be more "comic booky" than Lumberjanes?

If you ask me, describing the feeling of a story by describing the medium that it happens in is a little silly. I can't imagine somebody saying Penguin Publishing puts out more "booky books" than other book publishers. Or that Sony makes the most "movie-y movies."

@captainmarvel4ever: I'm just not quite sure by what you mean by "most comic booky." Comic book doesn't equal superheroes, so I'm not sure what Marvel or DC does that makes them more "comic booky" than, ya know, other comic books.