@allstarsuperman: I hate it
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@jonny_anonymous: what im saying is transformers may have a rich culture like dc and marvel but there is no comparison. dc and marvel deals with with super-Humans where readers can have a connections. that's why it attends to a much larger audience. that why its easier to put them on the big screen (especially marvel). Transformers are mainly about robots with very little human interaction.
I really hate that people give the excuse of "it's just a dumb robot movie"....that's not the reason the first three movies were bad...the reason was Michael Bay not taking the source material seriously either....the Transformers have a story and universe just as deep and rich as Marvel or DC....if the movies were taken seriously as something other than "dumb robot movies" then we could have gotten something truly spectacular but instead Michael Bay got a hold of them and turned them into explosions and Megan Fox mid drift and cleavage movies
Transformers is like Dragonballz, and Teenage mutant ninja turtle. Its only good if its Cartoon or its in Comics. Trying to put put it on the big screen and keeping with source material. would look ridiculous to mass audience.
Alien Asians who hair turn yellow or spike up
Dino-bots.... come on really
Toxic Mutated rat and turtles who speak like there from California, but they know martial arts.. who in the h3ll would spend 100 millions on that with out revamping it.
hell only a small group of people read those comics anyway
Looks like it's going to be about the humans again yay.
No, it's about Mark Wahlberg. What made the last movies bad were Megan Fox and Shia Labeouf. Wahlberg rocks. Plus, GRIMLOCK!
the mass audience (including myself) doesnt want to see a movie with just robots.
the producers wont spend 100 million of dollars just appease the small audience.
@holyserpent: Then see this reply to put it in its full context and to see why you're mistaken
You're wrong, where did you get your characterization of Superman? A Frank Miller comic? Superman IS human, he represents the best of us. Unlike Batman, Superman was raised by two loving human parents on what it truly means to be a human being. Some Batman fans lack the depth needed to understand why Superman is the most human of us all, for them, it comes down to place of birth. Some of you guys would side with an anti-American that was born here over an immigrant who loves America soley because he's not like you. First of all, what do you mean Superman's not logical? Not sure you know what logic means.
Second of all, assuming that because Superman has superpowers that that makes him unable to experience struggles is fallacious. Superman was created as a symbol to fight for the oppressed and the down trotted, he still fights for the people of Metropolis and still engages in their lives. If you've ever read Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman (http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2012/09/supermanrooftop.jpg) you would know that Superman, even when the world is being invaded by millions of aliens, he'll take time out of his day to help even the most insignificant problems. That's what the ol' saving the cat from a tree thing comes from. Even though he's up in the sky fighting gods, he's thinking about us and our smallest problems and makes time to help us.
Finally, you give Joker too much credit. He's not logical. Nolan said it best, Joker is a dog chasing after a truck. He doesn't know why he's chasing the truck or what he'll do if he ever caught it. All he knows is that he wants that truck(Batman). Joker has an obsession with Batman that even he himself doesn't understand, but that's because he was born from hatred, rage and confusion (His wife and unborn child killed, betrayed by his henchmen and confused at seeing Batman for the first time which led to his birth). Those are the only emotions he knows how to convey now.
I was looking at it from Joker's perspective, not ours. He doesn't have our knowledge of Superman, he doesn't know where Superman comes from. He doesn't know how Superman struggles. He knows what he hears on the news in between killing sprees. He's not privy to Superman's thoughts or such. So as far as HE is concerned, sure, Superman's character is like a Frank Miller comic.
And the great thing about the Joker is that we can ALL be right: The way he constantly reinvents himself on a regular basis means sure: One day, he might be out to prove no man is better than any other, as I see it, such as in the Killing Joke, therefore, he's disinterested in Superman because, in his view, he's NOT a man. Another, he might just be going, "F*** that guy." Another, he might not even KNOW why he's doing it or care, he's just DOING it, like in The Dark Knight.
Remember, the Joker remembers multiple pasts, even HE doesn't know which one is real. And most of the time, he doesn't even care. He just picks one or makes one up as the situation requires. Same with his personality, motivations, etc. We can all have our respective views of the Joker, we can all have our reasons WHY he's not interested in Superman in favor of Batman, and we can ALL be right. So... maybe tone down the namecalling, yeah?
He's referring to it from Joker's perspective. Joker doesn't know what we know about Superman and instead thinks of him how a lot of the public thinks of him, as a god hovering above humanity looking down on us. He doesn't know that Superman was raised in the midst of two loving humans nor does he know that Superman's humanity and morals come from a strong moral upbringing. That's why Joker doesn't really bother with Superman, because Batman represents the moral high ground in a city where crime has overtaken it.
I simply disagree. i believe Joker fascination with the batman and not supeman is simply because Batmans the polar oppsite of him.
Bruce isn't just against killing, he hates the very idea of it. He watched his parents die with his own eyes at a young age. Batman is unbreakable. He's a puzzle. Joker wanted to break that puzzle to pieces the second he laid eyes on him. He's obsessed with Batman. In my opinion, Batman holds the highest set of morals. Superman's morals come from his father, but Batman's comes from a personal experience. I don't see how Joker could get that satisfaction out of driving Supes to the edge.
How can you sit there and say that. It doesnt matter where the beliefs comes from, at the end of the day, its there belief. The Belief to never take a life (exception of darksied of course) is what defines them, and its what makes them the Worlds Finest.