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To be fair i wasn't surprised that it was cancelled. You have to remember that Jump decides cancellations based on a number of factors, the most important for series less than a year old being popularity (readers sending in replies indicating which series was in their top 3), coupled with genera-type and whether or not the series has a stable readership or not (for series which last longer it then incorporates whether or not the series has an anime/a successful franchise beyond the manga, and graphic novel sales). Samurai 8, unfortunatly, became a victim of the early 2000's success of the big-3. By that i mean, and i know this devolvs into a "my series is better than yours" fanboy argument, but Nauto, Bleach and One Piece (very much like Dragonball before them) changed how shonen action series were written and viewed. What was revolutionary back then is now a standard, so Samuai 8 wasn't going to revolutionise the way that shonen action series were written or percieved (no matter how good/bad it was).

In addition to that, it became a victim of the success of Naruto. So when Naruto stated back in 1999 it lucked out BIG TIME by having its first chapter debute in the same volume of JUMP that the final chapter of Kenshin was published in, so in addition to having readers checking out the new series first chapter it also became a escue-raft of sorts for fans of Kenshin which had just finished (jumping onto a new series). In addition to that, as far as action series were concerned, Naruto's notable competition were "One Piece (1997)", "Yu-Gi-Oh! (1996)", "Zombie Powder (1999)", "shaman king (1998)", and "Hunter X Hunter (1998)", and I'll be honest, those are just the action series which had wiki enteries as Jumps revolving door of manga titles leaves many in the wastes of obscurity (literally zombie powder would also have been a similaarly obscure title had Bleach not come along and popularised Kubo's works, as that series lasted a max of 4 volumes). When compared to its contemporaries Naruto was, yes, an action series like then BUT it was different enough not to get lost by Jump fans who would have thought "i like it... but its just way to similar to this other series". So Naruto survives and reaches its 700th chapter in 2014... and thats where the other nail in the coffin for Samurai 8 came.

Naruto Chapter 700 released in 2014. The mini arc "Naruto: The Seventh Hokage and the scarlet spring" is released and completes its run in 2015. Additional Naruto works are anime based, light novels and then the Boruto series which is a monthly series not released in WSJ. So Naruto fans (the oldest being readers who started with it in 1999) have either jumped over to Boruto, leaving WSJ behind, or now just purchase it in collected graphic novel form. Fans, mostly the younger ones, who still read WSJ have now turned their attentions to other series in WSJ which will scratch their Naruto itch, notably "world trigger (2013)", "My Hero Academia (2014)" and "black clover (2015)", so by the time samurai 8 came out in 2019 the WSJ fans had jumped over to these newer action titles, which had then been bolstered in rank by "demon slayer (2016)", and even "Jujutsu Kaisen (2018)". In short, the "action" fanbase of WSJ had, and still is, spread wide between a number of diffarent action series, with all but one having anime series, so series such as "Tokyo Shinobi Squad", "zipman" and even "samuri 8" didn't stand a chance unless they brought something completely new and original to the table and unfortunatlly Samurai 8 didn't. Notably, this is also why we're seeing a lot more Gag/gag-action series starting in Jump at the moment as there's no way a new action series will be able to gain a headway and survive given the current jump line-up of long running action series (unless a series comes to an end). Also, gag series don't need to have the same level of fan feedback to survive as they can happily hangout in the middle of the magazine and be stable.

But yeh, Samurai 8 was a victim of Naruto's success and couldn't compete with other action series which were now using the Naruto/Bleach/One Piece formula of writing an action manga. I mean, looking back at JUMP series this isn't the first time a successful mangaka's follow-up series has been cancelled after a shot run (just compare the 27 volumes of Kenshin vs the 4 volumes of "gun blaze western"), but if series are to similar to either their predecessor series, or they can't distinguish themsleves from their current competition they just don't succeed, and with JUMP recieving numerous drafts for new series on a weekly basis why keep a series with no support running while others with potential can take its place? In some weird logical way this also why i think "burn the witches" is getting a release as its following up on the the new Bleach anime arc finally being released, its a shorter series (the manuscript has been completed, so its not going to be a long running series) so it won't be competing with other long running series, but in addition to that the title alone "burn the withc" is similar to the new WSJ series "guardian of the witch" which, given the possible return of Kubo fans to WSJ (with their attentions not being divided with another monthly magazine) and you can possibly see the WSJ editorial trying to make a long shot bet of getting Kubo fans to become Sakano fans and help make series (which they deffinanlty took a long shot with, given how difficult it is for new action series to break their way into JUMP at the moment) break into the WSJ action line-up ina way that other series like samurai 8 couldn't. Would that be a bit of a gimmik? yes, but the benefits do outweigh the negatives (negative, they loose guardian of the witches, and replace it with another series).

Honeslty though, i remeber Kishmoto made a baseball one-shot once and i thought that it was great. I think, if he's sticking with shonen series and not just milking the naruto success, he should re-visit that and produce a shonen sports series. It would show that he's capable of doing other kinds of manga, and would open up his works to other fans.

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hmmmm do i like this show? hmmmmmm i don't know, but then again i'm not from around here i'm from a different dimension, and things are going to get a little weird and we're gonna have a good time :P

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He shouldn't have been let on the films in the first place... but unfortunately time travel doesn't seem to be a viable option to solving the disasterous cinematic universe (yet). So yes he should be let off... problem, though, is that the batman and superman brands just sell tickets by themselves without any director namedropping needed, and of course the problem with that is that the heads of WB will congratulate Zack on a financially successfully film despite him not doing anything that the batman or superman branding wouldn't have done even if he hadn't been associated with the film.
During interviews about this film Zack just kept on mentioning DKR and watchmen when it came to comics and inspirations for this film... 2 works which are indeed much loved by comic-fans and non-comic fans alike BUT which are both set outside the perimeters of the mainstream universe and the mainstream iteration of the characters, 2 books which were deconstructions of the superhero genre (so you know a wonderful foundation upon which to BUILD your superhero universe... on deconstructive materials), and which were both written in the 1980's as an echo (in some sense) to the political environment of the time (taking in all of the "what if's?" regarding superheroes and the government)... What Zack doesn't appear to realise is that the Batman and Superman he was meant to be delivering to us on the BIG screen were mean to align more with their main universe counterparts rather than a 4-part 1986 (critically acclaimed) else words book which spawned a much reviled and never mentioned EVER followup (DK2)... i mean, from his constant mention of those 2 books i do have to wonder... has... has Zack snyder actually ever read any other comic (other than 300... or any other frank miller spew)?... because me thinks that there is where our answers may lay.

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@zackattack93: hey its an improvement over their last attempt (although that may also be due to them having an actor who, despite his awesomeness, didn't exactly fill out the costume... <insert body shaming hashtag here> :P

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So either a) He's a Dark Jedi OR (more plausible to me considering plot threads from Rebles) he's an Inquisitor and thus profficient in the dark side but not living by the code of the sith (which kinda makes sense as there would have been some inquisitors left in the universe after vader and the emperors death, and so that order just kept on going while the sith "rule of 2" order died out).
I also read (from anther site) that Kylo Ren is a huge vader fanatic, following the whole Vader marter idea, beliving Vader to be a "heroic" figure before his time (ren being born after the events of RoJ) and even modeled his mask after vader (possibly the idea of a darkside warrior who hid his face), so it is an idea that i really like.
Going by the changing name of "the resistance" it could be that what we know of as the rebel allience did end up forming a new galactic republic and that the resistence is just an off-shot organization which formed to fight against the first order... or i could just be making stuff up :P

also when i first read this article i read Snokey as Snorkey adn just kept on thinking of a snork in an imperial uniform... :P

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As much as I'm loving that green lantern cover i think that duck dodgers would have been a better match for it :P and marvin the maritan on maritan manhunter's cover (claming this planet in the name of mars or wanting to blow up the earth to improve his view of venus) :P

These covers just brought back some childish glee in me making me laugh and smile (well most of them).

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this + constantine on arrow XD

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Holy shit... that last page just made me think: because Clark has/had super speed and the ability of flight did he ever actually learn how to drive? Because if so why is Alfred driving? I mean... we still don't know if he got his had back or not... Can superman be stopped by the powers of the DMV?
I mean sure he's piloted JL craft before and the batcycle (now the supercycle)... but can he drive a car?
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who the hell is Michael Gracey?
But seriously their trying (heavy emphasis on the trying seeing as how their still trying to obtain the rights but have somehow already got a director. Dafuk?) to adapt Naruto to live action.... Naruto... seriously... Hollywood has failed at adapting anime to live action because:
a) they know that there's an audience but don't actually know who the demographics are (thus why DBE was aimed at children despite the vast majority of then DB fans being in their mid-teens at their youngest, and their 20s/30s at their oldest).
b) They sort of think that adapting an anime/manga would be the same as adapting a US comic franchise which, due to their more story driven narratives, they are not.
c) They haven't even been able to adapt cowboy beep bop, a series which is 100% possible to adapt to live action because its (more or less) a grounded science fiction/underground crime series, so how the hell do they expect to adapt a less grounded series?
d) Due to their little interest in the actual materials (they see the property and the money, nothing else) when they hear that an anime franchise with both a live action adaption, ala DBE, and an ongoing anime adaption on television and cinema is doing well they likely think its because the live action film generated enough interest and profit for the material. the fact usually, though, is that the live action adaption left a bad taste in peoples mouths and so, to wash it out, more high-budget anime films are made which (due to peoples disappointment regarding the live action film) they lap up because its usually much MUCH better and its not ashamed of being what it is (so not hiding their quirks or passing them off as little jokes).
But in reality, i don't think this will ever be made, or at least not be a hollywood studio. Manga/anime companies have had bad experiences with hollywood (either bad adaptions, or adaptions which were promised to have made lots of money which don't even leave the ground) so i doubt whether the full rights will be given to lions gate, and even if they are i doubt that the series would actually be made (it would be passed from director to director to director and end up like Superman Lives)