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@perethorn: OP fixed, hope is better.

Thank you, kind sir. The Manhunter's TP & intangibility are powerful weapons here, but Darkseid is a powerful telepath in his own right. If he or one of the Elite can maneuver him towards one of the Firepits, then the threat he poses could be neutralized. I believe that with an unlimited amount of Parademons, and the Elite operating at full potential (this would include Kalibak's "jobber aura" as it's been referred to here on the 'Vine neutralized)and armed with Father Boxes, then that leaves SA Darkseid a open shot to clear the table of the invasion force. IMO.

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@sog7dc: Very enlightening. And further supports my stance that Orion should get a solo

Thank you sir. Glad I could help. Although in fairness to the Surfer at least, Orion should have great difficulty doing so. I don't see Ross doing anything but committing suicide if he tried to siphon away Orion's Astro-Force. The Source would NEVER allow that without dire consequences.

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@cameron83:

Wow. Thanks. That also seems consistent with what I just read. But I still think that Silver Surfer is more powerful in these respects (maybe because of feats,i don't exactly know). But dude,just a little Galactus dust can come a long way. I mean,this IS galactus we are talking about. I have a question,is that why Silver Surfer is,well,Silver?

Also,isn't Silver Surfer one of the most powerful beings in the universe because of Galactus? This doesn't have to do with Orion at all,just a question on Silver Surfer,btw...

Also,yes,that was VERY helpful :)

I am not doubting you,but I kinda want to see him do that flower thingy :)

True. A little Galacdust (see what I did there;) can go a long way. No doubt about it. The Source on the other hand, gave rise to the Old Gods , the New Gods of the Fourth World (via the Godwave), and laid the foundation for all superpowers both great and small throughout the DCU. I'll let you make the call as to which well is deeper. In the meantime, the reason for the silver skin is systemic among the first and future heralds he would employ. That being, to have these formerly organic beings survive the rigors of space travel, they had to be modified (silver skin in the Surfer's case, nuclear fire in Firelord's, flexible mineral rock-like "skin" in Terrax's case, gold skin for Nova, etc..). I don't have a scan of "the flower thingy", but perhaps @ancient_0f_days may be able to enlighten you and others as to Orion's more exotic powers. You know, the ones where he's not leveling a planet for target practice or being used just for some writer's need to have a superstrong brick in their story. What do you say, Ancient One?

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@raw_material:

Win by incapacitation? Okay. Wolverine charges in and gets impaled between his ribs via Trident. Aquaman then imbeds said Trident into the sidewalk with Wolverine stuck to it like an hors d'oeuvre and holds on to the Trident's handle. Arthur possesses way more than enough strength to keep him there for days. Weeks if necessary. All he'd need is for some kind pedestrian to bring him a glass of water periodically over the next few days. Aquaman wins.

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@dondave: Team ftw, although Thor Buster Armour isn't any different from his Regular Suit when not fighting Asgardians

Exactly. He gets turtleplucked into submission within moments of his arrival on Apokolips. But yeah, the OP went overboard here IMO.

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@cameron83:

He has every power Silver Surfer does?!?

Since when?!

He doesn't seem to have the same powers....I'm kinda confused...I'm not saying that he does/doesn't,it's just that I don't know a helluva lot about Orion. I mean,even if so,I think Silver Surfer's powers might be far more powerful than his are...

And I don't think he's ever displayed this in the new 52

Yes, he does. From the very beginning, Jack Kirby (both of their fathers) established the Forth World and its concepts (namely the Source, the Alpha Effect, the Omega Effect, the Astro-Force, and the Anti-Life Equation). Orion is often written by writers who don't know his full potential as a homicidal brick. Of course he isthat, but he is so much more. He is a potent energy and matter manipulator. He can perpetually increase his strength, durability, healing factor, speed, and his energy projection/matter manipulation via accessing the Astro-Force. He can then further bend time and space via Mother Box, etc. The Astro-Force being the official "Wrath of the Source" is of course a destructive power. A God of War should expect no less. But that's the abilities of Negative Astro-Force. Positive Astro-Force can do benign things like change the pigment of a flower without destroying its molecular structure, create tractor beams, and manipulate the EM Spectrum (along with several other useful things). And all of this power comes directly from the Source itself. That's a deep well, mon ami.

As it stands, I haven't read any of Orion's New 52 adventures, so I won't be able to offer anything of value there. Norrin Radd, as powerful as he is, only has the portion of Galactus' power that he allowed him to have. Basically, Galactus brushed off some of his dandruff onto the Zenn- Lavian, transforming him into the highly polished being we know today. I'm not trying to demean him, just pointing out the differences in both power as well as access to more power when it's needed. That aside, these two are very similar powerset wise, except that the Source (and by extension the Astro-Force) is the Nexus of both magic AND cosmic power in the DCU. Hope this was helpful;)

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@freefa11: Entropy Aegis was pretty tough all on its own. Disintegrated Doomsday Rex with one shot, and tanked the Omega Beams like they were nothing. That was with Steel using it. That thing with guys like Odin Force Thor, Silver Surfer, Martian Manhunter, and 100 Green Lanterns for backup, and more besides? I think the heroes can take this pretty well.

And Steel is no slouch by any measure. That freaking thing with everything else going on is why I appealed to the OP to dial this back to not give Darkseid a Pyrrhic victory or a potentially stomp-level defeat.

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@psy_locke: I'm not pointing about storm winning the fight but the effect of lightning to wonderwoman. that might distract her.

Understood. But that comic was completely non-canon. Meaning that it never happened. It would be the same as me posting a scan of the Toad standing over a full-body casted Galactus that my little brother drew in art class and saying "See, Toad really can beat Galactus! It happened right here in this scan"! Your scan wasn't as egregious as the example I've just given, but it's still invalid. No disrespect.

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@cameron83: I think either Thor or Orion can both defeat Red Hulk (Thor easily),but Silver Surfer will be a problem. Orion won't be able to take him (alone),but Both Thor and Orion should be able to defeat him. Even when Orion goes into his rage mode.....

I agree with almost all of this, except for the fact that Orion and the SS could truly fight for nearly forever. When he's written properly, Orion has nearly every power the Surfer does (excluding the fact that the Surfer is apparently a telepath that astral projects now *sigh*). Outside of psionics, which Mother Box should be able to easily deal with, they are a lot closer than most people think. But yeah, getting banked by both him and Thor is a total curbstomp.

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@maxxon: It's nice to see people taking interest in my second battle match up.

No problem. It's interesting to see the basic members of these super-races go head to head. Jack Kirby would've been proud. By the way, "Welcome to the 'Vine"!