Superman vs Goku?

Ok this thread has been giving me problems. I will make this Blog so if it ever resurfaces I can just say refer to my blog for the majority of my opinions

Who do I think wins? Well I think Goku wins, but there is a small shadow of a doubt

Why do you say goku? I say it because he has a wider range of powers then superman, he can teleport and is capable of more destruction

So Supermans invunerable. What can Goku do to hurt him? Well supes is really tough but hes not invincible. Doomsday can beat him senseless so as long as you read this knowing that then I can give you a little credit.

I think goku is capable of harming and killing superman. He has the power to destroy a galaxy.

Wait Heart of Infinity I never seen goku destroy anything that big how did you deduce that? Well simply Broly did it in his first movie and Goku later surpassed him. So you put the two and two together its really simple.

Wait a second is it cannon its not in the manga? Akira Toriyama created it so its an accurate representation of their powers. If vegeta at 18,000 powerlevel can vaporize a planet and a moon with no effort and goku at the end of DBZ is millions of times stronger then why not? I think its a good representation of their powers.

Now DBZ doesnt have rating scales. Like DCs and marvel where we see what a character can bench press or what their top speed is. Superman is a little shy of light speed. They show dbz characters moving at high speeds yet we don't know what speed it is. I can only guess by how it apears.. Gotenks going around the world dozens of times at superspeeds in a instant at least may suggest that they can equal or surpass lightspeed.

But yet we dont have enough information to really state their speed so at best its incunclusive as to wether hes faster then Superman or not. Strength is incunclusive.

Who is more invunerable is incunclusive

So people want to show scans of superman performing great feats. I already know what he can do so your wasting your breath. You can never prove that someone is stronger then someone else if you dont know one of their strengths (like gokus) so you can say superman can do this and that but you still can't compare it to an unknown.

What about Instant Transmission would it work on superman? I tried to explain this to people. Goku only needs to find a person where he doesnt know their location to teleport to them.

But lets say hes going to a place hes been too already or a place he can see with his eyes then he can still preform the technique.

Ok so you explained your opinion on instant transmission but does superman have ki? Its hard to determine he is an alien. I would say (this is just an opionion so I am not the authority on this that he may have some)

Ki is energy from your life force. Its the same as the chinese version wich is called "Chi". At least in the DBZ universe goku could even find bulma wich is a regular human or aliens on another planet across the universe. So if superman has lifeforce energy then its a possibility

So what is the conclusion?

I have two. If you want to accept akira toriyamas representation of their powers from the broly movie then its a curb stomp for goku

if you somehow want to deny it then I will say inconclusive

because we have no proof of gokus powers. At best we can say goku is fast and is strong and we dont know how he matches vs superman.

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My real feelings on DBZ dont be confused by threads

Do I love DBZ? Not the way maybe most of you think cause I try to make points on DBZ on battle threads

I don't really like how most of the characters are written. With the exception of Vegeta. He actually is a three dimensional character where ever other one lacks depth.

I will think some are cool just due to their fighting ability. To be honest if they could move Vegeta to Marvel or DC and maybe just a couple of villians to fight like Cooler, Broly, or Cell (hey vegeta would need his Doomsdays to fight just like superman does)

To be honest I dont really care for the main character of the show Goku. Yeah he has few cool moves but he should have the most character depth in the show but it turns out he has one of the least.

In threads I dont care if i like the DBZ character I will say if I think they can win or not. If I make a DBZ argument I back it up with fact and consider in all the variables

Like for example you can say Halocause beats every DBZ guy. But then I will take in account many factors to say it just doesnt happen so easily. He has to have super reaction time, super speed to back up his movements, and be invunerable to people who are able to destroy planents and Galaxies. And also they have fought many power abosrbers before and won some who absorb stuff that I dont think Halocaust could.

I will say the same for Molecule Man (he actually has the power to kill them all for sure) but I still wheigh in those factors i have in bold to question how he could execute it for sure. But at the same time I wont say DBZ wins the battle. I will just think of it as undecided.

So Heart of Infinity who do you think can beat them for sure?

Well I know their is a good handfull of people who have a chance and another handfull of people who I will say I am not sure of but there are several people who I know who will kill them 100 percent of the time

Eternity- He is everywhere he is reality how could most he is the universal space and time itself how could you hurt him

Infinity Gauntlet (thanos, warlock, terrexia)- Infinity gauntlet users are even stronger then eternity

Someone with 5 cosmic cubes- yes this equivulants the gauntlet

Living Tribunal- He is even stronger then gauntlet or the 5 cube users

Thanos with Heart of the Universe- No one can beat him I am sorry. He destroyed the universe and remade it. He is basically has the powers that we would compare to how most see God himself

One Above all- We dont see him that much but he is basically god

Giant Spegehtti Mosnter- Comeone he just pwns eveyrone perion and taste good with sauce

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My infinity watch of badass mofos

My top seven most badass mofos

Space Gem - Silver Surfer: Can revert Hulk to bruce banner with just a zap. Can make black holes and is made of silver. He gets into my badass mofo hall of fame

Mind Gem - Thanos: Hes defeated everyone there is. Destroyed the universe. And when he looked at his still beating heart when it was ripped out of his chest and said "interesting" cant get more badass then that

And enclosing cyclops head in a indestrucable glass box when shooting optic blast and suffocating him to death is pricless

Soul Gem - Cosmic Spider-man: Spiderman has always been the man. But cosmic is even better. Punched Hulk into space and reverted back to bruce banner. Spiderman felt bad and save him before he suffocated.

Reality Gem - Itachi Uchiha: Graduated the ninja academy at 7 and became a chonin at age 10. Killed his entire clan. Can just stare at you to kill you. Definetly a badass

Time Gem - Dead Pool: Funniest man in comics i think. Shoryukening chicks for fun. You can chop his head off and he will still be alive talking shit to you. Hes an immortal ninja cant go wrong

Power Gem - Juggernaught: ....umm hes the juggernaught bitch!

Ego Gem - Vegeta: Vegeta is definetly one bad ass mofo. He destroyed countless planets. Liberated planet and made them think he was their hero and one fly up and space and blow them up after. Just his pride has even stopped the most powerful wizard from gaining control of his mind

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