" Fan serive is mainly the issue I have, in which most female characters are exploited in that regard. To be honest, if superheroines dressed more practically, that would eliminate most (not all but most) sexism in comics.
Nobody dresses practical in comics..it's a fallacy on both fronts.Most costumes are asinine.If Spider-Man wore the suit her wears in comics in real life...he'd be basically naked, all his equipment would be hanging out. "
You have to notice the difference in reception though. Yes, the men in comics are obscene also but not in the same sense. Generally, their fan service is comprised of over-musculature, but for the most part, their bodies are entirely covered by suits. On the part of the women in comics, they have the build to appeal to fans, as men do, but they have the added detail of revealing costumes. So, not to disagree with your point, but what I said still stands, even if a rephrasing of it would be more agreeable. Basically, by "practical," I just meant more clothed. I was not expecting anyone to eliminate use of tights in comics.
@Silkcuts: I guess I can say @$$ but who really knows. But I am glad you really liked this video. I am glad you liked the pictures I picked it was a real hard decision for which ones to pick. I know I should of picked more indie comics but the only one that really sticked out of my head was that Hack/Slash cover which I just reviewed a week before. The sexism I found in marvel a lot was the old comics especially in Fantastic Four. They said horrible things to Sue. I am sorry I did not mention the writers I completely forgot to mention them. I do not have a problem with sexism at least the art for sexism but I just wish there was a little less. I am glad you liked the video and it helps you get more people to branch out for indie comics. I am glad you think I am smart and that I am using it wisely. I still love my mainstream comics and even though it has some sexism I still think I am going to stick with it. But I do think i will pick some indie comics that way I can have a breath of fresh air for a while with less sexism.
really i didnt find that scene with Doom all that upsetting, it was awesome seeing Doc Doom squirm and revert to his true doucheiness, like that and i really doubt that he would have reacted any differently if Wonder-Man or someone else had said that. besides asking for sexism to dissapear is like asking for racism to dissappear its just not gonna happen both forms of discrimination can appear even when not intended to. Now i dont know if Stan wasd inputting some personal beliefs or if he just wanted reed to be a douche so i cant really say anything about that
" Fan serive is mainly the issue I have, in which most female characters are exploited in that regard. To be honest, if superheroines dressed more practically, that would eliminate most (not all but most) sexism in comics.
Nobody dresses practical in comics..it's a fallacy on both fronts.Most costumes are asinine.If Spider-Man wore the suit her wears in comics in real life...he'd be basically naked, all his equipment would be hanging out. "
You have to notice the difference in reception though. Yes, the men in comics are obscene also but not in the same sense. Generally, their fan service is comprised of over-musculature, but for the most part, their bodies are entirely covered by suits. On the part of the women in comics, they have the build to appeal to fans, as men do, but they have the added detail of revealing costumes. So, not to disagree with your point, but what I said still stands, even if a rephrasing of it would be more agreeable. Basically, by "practical," I just meant more clothed. I was not expecting anyone to eliminate use of tights in comics. "
I understood what you mean by practical and i'm saying alot of male outfits aren't actually practical either.Most costumes are dumbed down in artist renditions.That's why I brought up Spider-Man.Yes..he is fully clothed but if you were to replicate that costume realistically you would be able to see his junk. Even costumes where female characters would technically be fully clothed would actually be very revealing realistically. Spider- Girl, Spider-Woman,Catwoman etc.There's be all types of nipples and cameltoe pokin out.
" really i didnt find that scene with Doom all that upsetting, it was awesome seeing Doc Doom squirm and revert to his true doucheiness, like that and i really doubt that he would have reacted any differently if Wonder-Man or someone else had said that. besides asking for sexism to dissapear is like asking for racism to dissappear its just not gonna happen both forms of discrimination can appear even when not intended to. Now i dont know if Stan wasd inputting some personal beliefs or if he just wanted reed to be a douche so i cant really say anything about that "
There should be some type of ethics in comics.Asking for their not to be sexism in comics is NOTHING like asking for their not to be racism in comics.
" @Vance Astro: agreed their should be certain ethics but as for "Nothing like racism" comment please elaborate "
Racism and Sexism are two completely different prejudices.I'm not saying either of them is right..just that racism costs people more jobs than sexism.It's a bigger issue I guess is what i'm saying.
@Vance Astro: ok i understand what your sying, and you're completely right. im simply stating the fact that they are alike in the sense that neither of them will be completely gone from america and its media let alone the world
" @Vance Astro: ok i understand what your sying, and you're completely right. im simply stating the fact that they are alike in the sense that neither of them will be completely gone from america and its media let alone the world "
Oh no I understand i'm just saying even though comics are entertainment..the creation of them should be a professional environment thus eliminating things like these.There are still tons of racist\sexist people in the world...but that should be ejected from the work place..you know what i mean?
" Fan serive is mainly the issue I have, in which most female characters are exploited in that regard. To be honest, if superheroines dressed more practically, that would eliminate most (not all but most) sexism in comics.
Nobody dresses practical in comics..it's a fallacy on both fronts.Most costumes are asinine.If Spider-Man wore the suit her wears in comics in real life...he'd be basically naked, all his equipment would be hanging out. "
You have to notice the difference in reception though. Yes, the men in comics are obscene also but not in the same sense. Generally, their fan service is comprised of over-musculature, but for the most part, their bodies are entirely covered by suits. On the part of the women in comics, they have the build to appeal to fans, as men do, but they have the added detail of revealing costumes. So, not to disagree with your point, but what I said still stands, even if a rephrasing of it would be more agreeable. Basically, by "practical," I just meant more clothed. I was not expecting anyone to eliminate use of tights in comics. "
I understood what you mean by practical and i'm saying alot of male outfits aren't actually practical either.Most costumes are dumbed down in artist renditions.That's why I brought up Spider-Man.Yes..he is fully clothed but if you were to replicate that costume realistically you would be able to see his junk. Even costumes where female characters would technically be fully clothed would actually be very revealing realistically. Spider- Girl, Spider-Woman,Catwoman etc.There's be all types of nipples and cameltoe pokin out. "
I think we had a problem with interpretation, because I have no argument with the point you were making; they were just not exactly what I was alluding to. "Practical" may not have been the best word usage on my part. The issue I was addressing was that sometimes women view comics as sexist (with some truth behind their views) because female characters are scant. Male characters have fan appeal also, but I have never met a dude who thinks comics are sexist toward men because they where unrealistically tight clothes. That was my only point.
Whatever sells, the company will keep doing it. If Power Girl having big boobs sells, they will milk the crap out of it because people will buy it. A company won't just up and go "Hey, let's censor her boobs because some fans don't like it." If the majority of the readers want to see Power Girl's boobs, they will continue to show her boobs because people will continue to buy the comics.
It's a business, first and foremost. Fan opinions really don't matter as long as what the company is selling actually sells.
Sexism is done because it sells in comic books. Girl power is done because it sells in comic books. Big boobs is done because it sells in comic books. Everything that is done, it is done for a reason = it sells.
@haydenclaireheroes: I didn't get to watch your video yet as I'm not able to view it due to the browser. However, it seems that much of the discussion seems to be on sexualization and not so much sexism. Somehow the difference between the two has been blurred over the years, just as things that are racial to talk about are not actually racism. It's too easy nowadays to pull the racist or sexist card because of the blur in these lines and there's no room for the talk of the double standard the pervades both issues. Women who use their beauty and curves to get ahead in life are rarely criticized, and men aren't supposed to notice or they'll be labeled a sexist pig. We had a vendor rep come to my work the other day to make a presentation and she had on the tightest most inappropriate pants and shirt I had seen in a professional setting in a while. Parts were on full display. I'm pretty sure a well endowed/physically fit man would never be able to wear attire that would present himself in the same setting. I'm against over sexualization in any form and there's no need to show a naked woman in comic books period even if she's covered in steam or well placed hair and appendages. It's poor writing IMO. This is definitely way too deep of a subject to tackle in a few minute video. You're a brave one for tackling it for sure.
@soundbite: Thank you so much I can't wait until you get to see the video and I agree what you have to say revealing parts is not so much sexism but I have some scans in my video showing sexism in words. Which I think is a real problem. I can live with art sexism but i can not live with writing sexism because that does not sell comics it is just sexist.
The issue I was addressing was that sometimes women view comics as sexist (with some truth behind their views) because female characters are scant.
This is the part i'm really addressing....My response was more toward women who think that comics are sexist based on costumes, because it's not sexist to show any character in a revealing costume.Sexism is a bias toward women or a belief that men are superior, it's discriminatory.I don't see what costumes have to do with that.
If the issue is female characters being "over-sexualized" that doesn't have anything to do with costumes either.It's more the ideal of a perfect body.Form fitting clothing on a beautiful woman will appear sexy no matter how much of the body is actually being covered.
@haydenclaireheroes: Yes. I realize you are a young lady and indeed having to encounter a lot of the renderings of the female form a lot can definitely be annoying and frustrating for you. I think a female character can be drawn and portrayed "sexy" without showing too much. Again, I am guilty of this myself with some drawings but I can agree and see where you are coming from with your perspective, that some of the sexy drawings can be a bit tamer.
Not just that but I wanted to state earlier that with the example you used of Dr. Doom, well, that was a bit much yet simoultaneously, it really shows how EVIL Dr. Doom IS with his attitude and comments! Also, I hate how Reed Richards has been portrayed, along with Sue Richards, with their borderline abusive relationship. It is a bit much but that is an example of a writer's "take" on the couple. Same goes for Dr. Pym and Janet Van Dyne ( Wasp), with Pym being an abusive jerk. However, I kind of love how the Wasp has been portrayed, a bit flirtatious and often shown wearing different outfits. I think that is a nice take on the character.
Some things to remember is that the writers and artists have their own take and you just have to essentially "filter" out what characters and stories you like best.
I can live with art sexism but i can not live with writing sexism because that does not sell comics it is just sexist. "
Sexism is used in writing as something for the female character to overcome just like a character like Luke Cage has had to deal with racism.She-Hulk had to overcome sexism with her fight against the Champion of the Universe.He underestimated her because she was female and she proved that she can battle with the best.
Very interesting video. I'm fine with some sexy, revealing outfits (my favourite X-men character is Emma Frost). But when I think about what I would be like in a superhero-ish world, I would go more for practicality. I mean, I'd want to look good, but I won't be wearing heels (as much as I love them) to fight crime. Now I do sort of agree with the idea of the disparity between written sexism and art "sexism." Aesthetics are art. It's about looking good. Really, I don't care that much about how people look. What I do care about is how they are written. Too often I find women depicted as what women "are." I tend to find them bland, traditional (even when they seem to be "girl power-full"), and stereotypical.
Let's see what I like about Emma Frost. She dresses scantily. This doesn't bother me too much (there is one outfit that I cannot stand, probably her most famous). Since she is a telepath, I don't think her clothes really get in the way of her ability (when she goes into H2H diamond mode, that's problematic, tight pants don't move well, and there's no way that top is staying on during a fight). I like the way she's cold, powerful and assertive, sarcastic, unashamed, and intelligent. I like the fact, that if you took away her image, you'd almost think that the character was a male (according to gender stereotypes). On the outside, she seems to personify sexism-- she is a sex object complete with implanted breasts and little clothing. Consequentially, I find her ironic and intriguing. She seems to be constantly fitting and breaking the mold, but in a way that is not contradictory. (Opinions of The Psyentist)
@Decept-O: I agree woman can be sexy but not show sexism. ya I understand why they did the sexist talk for Dr. Doom but Reed that just came out of no where. I am glad you liked my video and topic.
"You clearly eat the propaganda that Stan does more then just throw catch paraphrases over other people’s drawings.
Clearly the text is important in a philosophy class.
As for only Marvel, you actually deny that is your loyalty? Your wiki points are all Marvel or Video games and Stan is one of your Top editor entries of course your going to ride your love for him. If you looked outside all that "Stan Lee" presents non sense then you would see he is a credit whore and has been given more acclaim then he should have.
Sorry, I didn't uderstood this.... Love for him, wow dude....
Do you even like Romita? Where is the wiki love on that?
Being a Stan Lee fan doesn't make you a fan of the medium, because Stan Lee hasn't written anything besides "Clobbering Time" and other candy for kids.
"With a great power, comes great responsibility"?
He came up with ideas sure, but it was the artist in all of his runs that fleshed them out and gave them life. So give the devil is dues if you want, but until you can get outside of you Stan Lee love you will be missing out on the true potential of the medium.
Are you always like this?
BTW, since you love Stan so much, can you confirm if he is the sexist writer on the Mr. Fantastic that looks like it was drawn by Kirby? Stan Lee was lucky to be in the right place right time that he can bankrupt the company how many times but the fans know the name and see his mascot smile, forgive him and he can ruin more comics because he is Stan Lee. He is a hero for children; he shouldn't be a hero for adults. "
I like what Stan did, Its true, he is an asshole, he rarely mentions Jack or Steve Ditko, just like Walt Disney of Thomas Edison, but he did it well I don't think that he is overrated just like Jack or Ditko, I have always loved what he did with Spider-man, Thor and Hulk, but he stills an asshole, but in that time, all the men were that kind of assholes, even the writer of Archie comics.
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I don't have heroes, or idols, no man alive deserves that credit, all of them are mere humans, I just believe in ideas, ideas created by those men, ideas like superheroes, because such thing just exist, in fantasy.
I don't believe that him, or anyone that had created comics back then is underrated or overrated, back then all were just the same, but at least they believed what they did.
There is just one thing that I should recognice about you is the fact that you love justice, that is the one thing right with you.
" @haydenclaireheroes: Keep up the good work. Cheers. BTW... was it Stan being Sexist? Why won't anyone answer me...lol "
When you say was Stan being sexist do you mean by the things he wrote about the Fantastic Four because I think he was more making Reed a sexist and not exposing himself as a sexist.Hank Pym was the same way as was\is Doom.I guess Stan is saying all scientifically brilliant people slap women and talk to them like dogs?
The issue I was addressing was that sometimes women view comics as sexist (with some truth behind their views) because female characters are scant.
This is the part i'm really addressing....My response was more toward women who think that comics are sexist based on costumes, because it's not sexist to show any character in a revealing costume.Sexism is a bias toward women or a belief that men are superior, it's discriminatory.I don't see what costumes have to do with that.
If the issue is female characters being "over-sexualized" that doesn't have anything to do with costumes either.It's more the ideal of a perfect body.Form fitting clothing on a beautiful woman will appear sexy no matter how much of the body is actually being covered. "
You would have to take that up with the thread maker then, because it was an issue brought up. I am not saying I have a major problem with it, but some people do. Now, as FadetoBlackBolt said, some costumes are revealing to the point of ludicrousness. Whether you or I classify it as sexist is less of an issue than the pointlessness of it. Like I said, it has to do with reception, because regardless of our agreement or disagreement with it, overly revealing uniforms on female characters is viewed as sexist, the length at which it should be or not notwithstanding. Fan service (not just pertaining to character costumes) is just a method to sell comics. It does no benefit for the characters used for it or used to drive the plot and is, for all intents and purposes, worthless.
@Deadcool: We will agree to disagree. Stan Lee is loved my so many for the wrong reasons. I have no problem having to over compensate with dislike for him. And the way you see the medium is different then I, since it is the catch paraphrase like "great power..." that ring in you mind. I for one am a fan of the "invisible" language of comics and since only Stan cannot truly script, but give raw ideas to great artist, then recycle what they produce with his adolescent gibberish, he does not fit my standard of greatness, he is like me taking credit for telling someone to draw something awesome and then me throwing words over it, I am full of ideas, but I don't consider myself a comic writer. And you can ask if I am "always like this", when it comes to the medium, Yes. You see Stan Lee as being equal to his artist, I see him as being lucky enough to in the right place right time. All I know for sure is that Kirby is known as "The King" and most people with a broader opinion comment on other creators. Stan Lee is never talked about as greatly compared to someone like Will Eisner or even Kirby, when it comes to the actual medium. The Marvel method is, Stan comes up with an idea, the artist tells the story, then Stan throws words on top, that is no scripting, which is not truly writing. Speaking of ideas then I guess the Superman duo are the greatest creators of all time, since it is their archetype that inspired the superhero genre? So we'll agree to disagree.
" @haydenclaireheroes: Keep up the good work. Cheers. BTW... was it Stan being Sexist? Why won't anyone answer me...lol "
When you say was Stan being sexist do you mean by the things her wrote about the Fantastic Four because I think he was more making Reed a sexist and not exposing himself as a sexist.Hank Pym was the same way as was\is Doom.I guess Stan is saying all scientifically brilliant people slap women and talk to them like dogs? "
Oh... so that is what is it. Stan takes a cookie cutter idea for all his scientist. So Scientist means "Pimp hand Strong". Now I can be an over acclaimed comic "writer" if I can give a great artist this idea to draw a story for me and me "putting then housewives" in their places. That is why they all wear gloves, so when they hit women their hand doesn't get red. I want to write a comic with Stephen Hawking being a pimp. I think it can sell.
Male characters have fan appeal also, but I have never met a dude who thinks comics are sexist toward men because they where unrealistically tight clothes. That was my only point. "
That is an interesting point. I wonder why some men haven't complained about male bodies being "stereotyped" or "marketed" (in the comics). "
Because we don't care.That part of comics isn't even important.
Male characters have fan appeal also, but I have never met a dude who thinks comics are sexist toward men because they where unrealistically tight clothes. That was my only point. "
That is an interesting point. I wonder why some men haven't complained about male bodies being "stereotyped" or "marketed" (in the comics). "
Because we don't care.That part of comics isn't even important. "
Oh... so that is what is it. Stan takes a cookie cutter idea for all his scientist. So Scientist means "Pimp hand Strong". Now I can be an over acclaimed comic "writer" if I can give a great artist this idea to draw a story for me and me "putting then housewives" in their places. That is why they all wear gloves, so when they hit women their hand doesn't get red. I want to write a comic with Stephen Hawking being a pimp. I think it can sell. "
Oh... so that is what is it. Stan takes a cookie cutter idea for all his scientist. So Scientist means "Pimp hand Strong". Now I can be an over acclaimed comic "writer" if I can give a great artist this idea to draw a story for me and me "putting then housewives" in their places. That is why they all wear gloves, so when they hit women their hand doesn't get red. I want to write a comic with Stephen Hawking being a pimp. I think it can sell. "
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You don't think it would make a good Marvel Max comic? People love seeing women knocked to the ground, don't they? Chris Brown is still making music and he told Rihanna with his hand. People see it and complain, but cover it over because they don't want Change. Saying "Stan" makes all his brilliant minds like that defends the idea that may be that was truly Stan Lee's outlet to wife beat. I am not saying he did hit his wife, but like why I play killzone to shoot a gun, it is an outlet for an "idea".
Oh... so that is what is it. Stan takes a cookie cutter idea for all his scientist. So Scientist means "Pimp hand Strong". Now I can be an over acclaimed comic "writer" if I can give a great artist this idea to draw a story for me and me "putting then housewives" in their places. That is why they all wear gloves, so when they hit women their hand doesn't get red. I want to write a comic with Stephen Hawking being a pimp. I think it can sell. "
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You don't think it would make a good Marvel Max comic? People love seeing women knocked to the ground, don't they? Chris Brown is still making music and he told Rihanna with his hand. People see it and complain, but cover it over because they don't want Change. Saying "Stan" makes all his brilliant minds like that defends the idea that may be that was truly Stan Lee's outlet to wife beat. I am not saying he did hit his wife, but like why I play killzone to shoot a gun, it is an outlet for an "idea". "
I don't know why Stan Lee wrote those things..only he does.You asked is Stan Lee sexist by writing those things and I PERSONALLY don't think so.He wrote characters that were sexist that doesn't necessarily make him sexist.Whether Stan Lee ever hit women or wanted to hit women is beyond me but i'm not assuming that, that is something that he wants to do because he writes it in his comics.Maybe he was exposing an issue in society..I don't know i'm not Stan Lee.
Why can't someone write a character without that character somehow reflecting on the writer? Why would anyone assume because Reed Richards treated Sue some sort of way that Stan feels some sort of way toward women?
" Why can't someone write a character without that character somehow reflecting on the writer? Why would anyone assume because Reed Richards treated Sue some sort of way that Stan feels some sort of way toward women? "
In some ways, I agree with this. If we were to judge by that, then every comic writer is as the super villains they write. LOL.
" Why can't someone write a character without that character somehow reflecting on the writer? Why would anyone assume because Reed Richards treated Sue some sort of way that Stan feels some sort of way toward women? "
In some ways, I agree with this. If we were to judge by that, then every comic writer is as the super villains they write. LOL. "
The horrible things we should be assuming about Millar if we were to assume that all writers were the atrocious things they wrote.
" Why can't someone write a character without that character somehow reflecting on the writer? Why would anyone assume because Reed Richards treated Sue some sort of way that Stan feels some sort of way toward women? "
In some ways, I agree with this. If we were to judge by that, then every comic writer is as the super villains they write. LOL. "
The horrible things we should be assuming about Millar if we were to assume that all writers were the atrocious things they wrote. "
Very good point.
Now, in my opinion, Quesada and, to a lesser degree, Johns are super villains, but that is just my theory.
" @Deadcool: We will agree to disagree. Stan Lee is loved my so many for the wrong reasons. I have no problem having to over compensate with dislike for him. And the way you see the medium is different then I, since it is the catch paraphrase like "great power..." that ring in you mind. I for one am a fan of the "invisible" language of comics and since only Stan cannot truly script, but give raw ideas to great artist, then recycle what they produce with his adolescent gibberish, he does not fit my standard of greatness, he is like me taking credit for telling someone to draw something awesome and then me throwing words over it, I am full of ideas, but I don't consider myself a comic writer. And you can ask if I am "always like this", when it comes to the medium, Yes. You see Stan Lee as being equal to his artist, I see him as being lucky enough to in the right place right time. All I know for sure is that Kirby is known as "The King" and most people with a broader opinion comment on other creators. Stan Lee is never talked about as greatly compared to someone like Will Eisner or even Kirby, when it comes to the actual medium. The Marvel method is, Stan comes up with an idea, the artist tells the story, then Stan throws words on top, that is no scripting, which is not truly writing. Speaking of ideas then I guess the Superman duo are the greatest creators of all time, since it is their archetype that inspired the superhero genre? So we'll agree to disagree. Cheers - Silkcuts "
Well, I already knew that, but still, I don't think he is overrated, he is known to be a great "comic creator", not a great comic writer, he is the one has the Idea of Spider-man being a teenager, Thor being Donald Blake, Hulk being Bruce Banner, and he created a lot of ideas, and he picked the right artist, he did not all random, he actually recognized the talent of Steve Ditko to create Spider-man, Dr Strange, etc. I actually believe that, without Stan, all our heroes couldn’t be like they are now, what if Jack Kirby had created the current Marvel? Well, we could have a horrible Spider-man, what if Steve Ditko had created the current Marvel? I have no problem with skinny heroes at all, what I actually like about Stan is that he moved the right people to do the right things, but he stills an asshole.
" @soundbite: Thank you so much I can't wait until you get to see the video and I agree what you have to say revealing parts is not so much sexism but I have some scans in my video showing sexism in words. Which I think is a real problem. I can live with art sexism but i can not live with writing sexism because that does not sell comics it is just sexist. "
I finally got to watch your video and my opinion hasn't changed. I think a lot of what you took issue with was sexualization and not sexism. As far as the writing goes, it seems like you want to eliminate conversial storylines dealing with sexism from comics. I hope that's not the case. Showing those personal flaws of heroes are what makes the stories great. To me, it's sexism if the comic itself promotes the idea that women are less important than men. The examples you gave seem to be more of issues dealing with character flaws rather than promoting the idea that women are inferior to men. I can't tell context from a panel or two, but that's what I gathered from it when I saw it. I believe the Batman scans that have been shown in this thread are what seem to fit more along the lines of your point. I hope my opinion is easy to understand.
BTW, this little Stan Lee debate is crazy.
Stan Lee is an attention shill, but he'll readily admit that. He'll also readily admit that he's a lazy writer when it came to origin concepts. He also has given credit where it was due on who came up with costume designs. As to the origins of the "Marvel Method", Lee did what he had to because he was basically the only writer on staff. When you're in charge of 6+ books a month, how are you expecting to script them all? Yes, the visual aspect is very important to a comic book, but please don't undersell the importance of the pathos created in the original Marvel lineups and how they were the factors that had people reading them. Stan Lee's shilling also was a moving force behind the popularity of Marvel comics because he engaged the fans and the readers and made them feel like part of the process. Comic books are popular today because of the attention and promotion that Lee took on half a century ago. He was an ambassador for the medium like no one's ever been. Criticize his poor writing all you want, but denying his contribution to the industry is ludicrous.
"Why can't someone write a character without that character somehow reflecting on the writer? Why would anyone assume because Reed Richards treated Sue some sort of way that Stan feels some sort of way toward women? "
I agree the costumes could be less revealing. That scene you said with Ms. Marvel and Doctor Doom is not sexism at all. If you actually read the issue, You see Doctor Doom is just being arrogant and he is pissed since Ms. Marvel keeps making sarcastic comments and since Doctor Doom thinks he is better than everyone else, he doesn't want people telling him what to do. He would tell Spider-Man to shut the hell up and be as angry at him too. Also with Mr. Fantastic, He is just a giant douche. I don't like him, he is a sexist and the dumbest smart person ever!!
@RedheadedAtrocitus: i think in starfire's case, she's SUPPOSED to be overly sexed up, she knows what she's doing, in the comics she purposely dresses in skimpy things to get attention or distract men opponents (although she halfheartedly claims her lack of clothes is so that she can absorb as much solar radiation as possible)
That is an interesting point. I wonder why some men haven't complained about male bodies being "stereotyped" or "marketed" (in the comics
Because we don't care.That part of comics isn't even important. "
Right, but why is it then important to women? Why do women care, while we don't, regarding our respective "bodily appearances"? "
Because that's how a woman's worth is usually judged. guys are judged for the things they do. a guy looks at two girls and he usually gonna choose the more attractive one. a girl looks at two guys and she's usually going to go for the guy who stands out talent/accomplishment wise. Of course, this is an oversimplification, but it's ususally how things go. That's why a woman with the features of a model can live with her parents until she's forty with no hassle, but a guy has to move out by the time he's 20 to get some respect.
" Why can't someone write a character without that character somehow reflecting on the writer? Why would anyone assume because Reed Richards treated Sue some sort of way that Stan feels some sort of way toward women? "
This. It's like saying Stephen King condones everything he's ever written just because he's written it. I admit that writers are influenced by their lives and obviously their views, but what if the only reason those things are included is simply to get these exact reactions... 100+ comments on sexism.
I really liked the video, but I think you should've add one of the most famouse female character. You showed quite a bt of Spider-girl, but you didn't even mention Wonder Woman. I really think Wonder Woman has been showing girl power for a long time and to not even get mention in a video about that.... I liked it, but I really think you should've put Wonder Woman in it mroe then Spider-Girl.
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