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Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus

    Very wonderfully delivered! Personally for me I think the level of sexism reflects the atmosphere of the world in which comics are written, and you point this out all too well in your comparisons of the depiction of female characters from the 1990s and now.  In the nineties, the females were definitely more covered up than they are now.  Of course you provide classic examples for how things were a bit more conservative then than they are now and that is good.  Let us not forget though that often the visual sexism is placed squarely at the feet of the artists, and for the 90s there was a lot of overt sexuality.  Just look at Jim Lee's depictions of the X-Men or Rob Liefeld's depictions of Youngblood (or any of his Image title characters for that matter!). Nowadays we have Ed Benes and Michael Turner (may he rest in peace) for our feminine portrayals.  In words, yes, the sexism has become far more vitriolic over the years, but then again that just reflects the sociopolitical world that the writers are writing in.  You've done a splendid job in explaining this and more, and I congratulate you for tackling the subject!   
    As a side note I do find it humorous that you use Karen Starr as your initial rubric in measuring all of this visual sexism, for obvious reasons.  I would have gone the next step though and would have used Starfire as the rubric for how sexism has become portrayed now because, lets be honest, the alien-heroine has and is so comfortable with her body that she often has gone around naked, for Lord's sake!  That is the true measure for how there have been overt and unnecessary sexist strides in comics, even if Kory does look good flaunting it most discreetly! But I digress.  Great job!
Edited by FadeToBlackBolt

Nice video. I think you hit the nail on the head regarding costumes and uniforms; they are often revealing to the point of ludicrousness. That said, comics books are largely about wish-fulfillment. It makes sense that every guy is crazy buff and every girl has an hourglass figure. In that regard, I think sexualisation in character design is justified, though I completely agree that overtly sexual poses are unnecessary. The adult imprint of Vertigo features little no of this sexual pandering that is present in mainstream comics, which is a positive, and also an indication that mainstream comic books are aimed at teenagers. 
 
Something that I feel you could have touched on however is the double standards that have arisen. If a superhero team were to have an entirely male roster, there would no doubt be backlash about it being sexist. Yet, there are multiple female-only teams, and that is celebrated. Another curious instance is that of Wonder Woman: the Hiketeia (a terrible story by the normally great Greg Rucka) which features a scene of Diana mercilessly beating the hell out of Batman and then Bruce begging her to listen to him. Again, this was viewed as an instance of Diana's strength. But imagine the roles reversed; what if Superman beat Huntress to the point where she was begging him to stop? To suggest that the story's reception would be different is something of an understatement. I find these sorts of schisms interesting.
 
So whilst I agree that the majority of sexual iconography comes from the female characters, the male characters suffer their fair share as well.
 
All in all, good video with some great points :) 
 
P.S: Didn't Bendis write that Doctor Doom/Ms Marvel scene? He really is an idiot.

Posted by Silkcuts

Can we say @$$ in a review?
 
I have to say this is your best video to date.
 

The Good

You're delivery was strong, pretty well researched.  I liked the picture choices a lot.  the time-line picture by far was the anchor to the video.
 

The Bad

This may sounds like I have a lot of bad, but I really did enjoy the video, so please do not take it the wrong way.  The Major flaw to this video is you dealt in the mainstream.  The mainstream comics live off shallow, fluffy and easy to digest comics, this is why there is the indie and more mature markets.  You cannot eliminate sexism in mainstream comics because the demographics that read the most sexist comics have the weakest understanding of the maximum potential of the medium.  And I dare have any Marvel exclusive reader tell me that the comics they read are better then the wide variety they ignore, or even better, I dare them to explain to me why a character like Hulk is awesome, when there is so little you can really do with a character like him.
 
Speaking of Marvel, I noticed a lot of the sexism came from Marvel comics, I do not attack Marvel for bitter reasons, I attack Marvel for its lack to inspire the medium and push the readers to grow into smarter comic readers.  There are a lot of great Marvel comics that play with Sexism, I love the X-Statix and U-Go Girl is the sex symbol in the series.  It works because it is a satire.  
 
Now we get to the Satire, in defense of of Power Girl, much like how Deadpool knows he is a comic book character, Power Girl knows she is not the real Supergirl and she is really just T & A.  This is why the Amanda Conner versions of her are so funny, because it is a woman who understands sex selling and pushing it a little further.  That is also a law to his video, you never got into the writer and artist duos, and why they did what they did.  Such as the Jack Kirby looking Mr. Fantastic, odds are it is the overrated, but highly beloved, Stan Lee who wrote that utter garbage as dialogue, since his form of writing was let the artist tell the visual story, while he takes the credit and writes words over the art.
 
Sexism is needed in the mainstream because it is the lifeblood of the mainstream, it is the reason why Adam Hughes can sell his Cover Run book and why J. Scott Campbell is so sought after. If Sexism is a problem, stop reading mainstream, it is that simple.  I am not saying the books I read do not sell sex, but there are many book I have that are not full of  T & A, such as Maus, Local, Essex County and Elk Run. Sex sells to the masses, but not all good stories are sexist.
 

The Verdict

I am glad you noticed sexism in comics and have made your voice known about it.  It is a battle that cannot be won however since the market is ran by those who want the sex.  I really loved this video because it reminds me that my quest to inspire readers to branch out is not for nothing.  You do not not have to stop reading mainstream comics, I still read stuff like Batman, but branching out may be good for you.  Why waste money on comics that only offend you. I am sorry if it seems I had more bad to say, this is why I do not use that layout often, since it does not work well with what I want to say.  This was a great video and I mean it, your a smart girl and I am glad you are using your smarts to bring awareness to this problem.  I know the fight against mediocrity in comics is one I cannot win, since those I want to reach out to do not care what I have to say, but those mainstream minds listens to you, so may be you can be the defender I cannot be.
 
Great video and keep up the good work.
Cheers
- Silkcuts
Posted by Silkcuts
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
  P.S: Didn't Bendis write that Doctor Doom/Ms Marvel scene? He really is an idiot. "
Bendis is the most overrated writer in comics.
Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@Silkcuts said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
  P.S: Didn't Bendis write that Doctor Doom/Ms Marvel scene? He really is an idiot. "
Bendis is the most overrated writer in comics. "
(Shakes hand), Yes, yes he is.
Posted by Silkcuts
@FadeToBlackBolt:  Was it Stan Lee who did the dialogue over the Jack Kirby looking Mr. Fantastic...
Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@Silkcuts: Yeah, that's right. "The Marvel Method"  as they called it.
Posted by Silkcuts
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @Silkcuts: Yeah, that's right. "The Marvel Method"  as they called it. "
I hate Stan Lee, he may be the most overrated writer.  Not sure if Bendis can take it from Stan, since it was Stan taking credit for a lot more then he really should of.
Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@Silkcuts: I like to listen to Stan Lee talk; I find his voice soothing, and I respect the effort he put into the characters he HELPED create, but he is not an especially good writer, you're right about that. 
Posted by Silkcuts
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @Silkcuts: I like to listen to Stan Lee talk; I find his voice soothing, and I respect the effort he put into the characters he HELPED create, but he is not an especially good writer, you're right about that.  "
To each his own...lol
I can hear the slither of the silver tongue Stan has that stole the rights that Kirby should of had before he died.
Posted by FadeToBlackBolt
@Silkcuts:  True, he is something of a glory whore.
Posted by Silkcuts
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @Silkcuts:  True, he is something of a glory whore. "
I see him as a mascot....lol
Edited by Vance Astro

What Doom said to Carol is sexist but that's because HE'S sexist.It has nothing to do with Bendis.Doom talks to everyone like they are worthless. 

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Posted by Vance Astro
@Silkcuts said:
" Can we say @$$ in a review?
 
I have to say this is your best video to date.
 

The Good

You're delivery was strong, pretty well researched.  I liked the picture choices a lot.  the time-line picture by far was the anchor to the video.
 

The Bad

This may sounds like I have a lot of bad, but I really did enjoy the video, so please do not take it the wrong way.  The Major flaw to this video is you dealt in the mainstream.  The mainstream comics live off shallow, fluffy and easy to digest comics, this is why there is the indie and more mature markets.  You cannot eliminate sexism in mainstream comics because the demographics that read the most sexist comics have the weakest understanding of the maximum potential of the medium.  And I dare have any Marvel exclusive reader tell me that the comics they read are better then the wide variety they ignore, or even better, I dare them to explain to me why a character like Hulk is awesome, when there is so little you can really do with a character like him.
 
Speaking of Marvel, I noticed a lot of the sexism came from Marvel comics, I do not attack Marvel for bitter reasons, I attack Marvel for its lack to inspire the medium and push the readers to grow into smarter comic readers.  There are a lot of great Marvel comics that play with Sexism, I love the X-Statix and U-Go Girl is the sex symbol in the series.  It works because it is a satire.  
 
Now we get to the Satire, in defense of of Power Girl, much like how Deadpool knows he is a comic book character, Power Girl knows she is not the real Supergirl and she is really just T & A.  This is why the Amanda Conner versions of her are so funny, because it is a woman who understands sex selling and pushing it a little further.  That is also a law to his video, you never got into the writer and artist duos, and why they did what they did.  Such as the Jack Kirby looking Mr. Fantastic, odds are it is the overrated, but highly beloved, Stan Lee who wrote that utter garbage as dialogue, since his form of writing was let the artist tell the visual story, while he takes the credit and writes words over the art.
 
Sexism is needed in the mainstream because it is the lifeblood of the mainstream, it is the reason why Adam Hughes can sell his Cover Run book and why J. Scott Campbell is so sought after. If Sexism is a problem, stop reading mainstream, it is that simple.  I am not saying the books I read do not sell sex, but there are many book I have that are not full of  T & A, such as Maus, Local, Essex County and Elk Run. Sex sells to the masses, but not all good stories are sexist.
 

The Verdict

I am glad you noticed sexism in comics and have made your voice known about it.  It is a battle that cannot be won however since the market is ran by those who want the sex.  I really loved this video because it reminds me that my quest to inspire readers to branch out is not for nothing.  You do not not have to stop reading mainstream comics, I still read stuff like Batman, but branching out may be good for you.  Why waste money on comics that only offend you. I am sorry if it seems I had more bad to say, this is why I do not use that layout often, since it does not work well with what I want to say.  This was a great video and I mean it, your a smart girl and I am glad you are using your smarts to bring awareness to this problem.  I know the fight against mediocrity in comics is one I cannot win, since those I want to reach out to do not care what I have to say, but those mainstream minds listens to you, so may be you can be the defender I cannot be.  Great video and keep up the good work. Cheers - Silkcuts "
I agree with Silkcuts wholeheartedly. 
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Posted by OmegaDynasty
@Vance Astro said:
" What Doom said to Carol is sexist but that's because HE'S sexist.It has nothing to do with Bendis.Doom talks to everyone like they are worthless.  "
Well sexism in comics is rather common. Hell even some female characters are sexist like the Star Sapphires and the Amazons. lol
Edited by Nefarious

That just just shows you that he is an arrogant jacka**.

Posted by Vance Astro
@Nefarious said:
" That just just shows you that he is an arrogant fool.   "
Doom has earned his arrogance.He usually can back up what he says.When he said he made better armor than T'Challa when he was 16..he wasn't joking.
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Posted by Silkcuts
@Vance Astro:  Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Posted by Vance Astro
@OmegaDynasty said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" What Doom said to Carol is sexist but that's because HE'S sexist.It has nothing to do with Bendis.Doom talks to everyone like they are worthless.  "
Well sexism in comics is rather common. Hell even some female characters are sexist like the Star Sapphires and the Amazons. lol "
Maybe because I'm a male I miss alot of the sexism or some things that are viewed as sexism actually aren't so it doesn't appear to be an issue for me.I don't know what it's like to read something that caters to the other sex.
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Posted by Nefarious
@Vance Astro: True.
Posted by Vance Astro
@Silkcuts said:
" @Vance Astro:  Thanks for the vote of confidence. "
I was writing my own response but then I read yours and you said most of what I was going to address.
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Posted by Silkcuts
@Vance Astro said:
" @Silkcuts said:
" @Vance Astro:  Thanks for the vote of confidence. "
I was writing my own response but then I read yours and you said most of what I was going to address. "
Cool cool, I am sure I missed a few things...lol
 
It is a shame you did not post your response.
Edited by OmegaDynasty
@Vance Astro said:

" @OmegaDynasty said:

" @Vance Astro said:
" What Doom said to Carol is sexist but that's because HE'S sexist.It has nothing to do with Bendis.Doom talks to everyone like they are worthless.  "
Well sexism in comics is rather common. Hell even some female characters are sexist like the Star Sapphires and the Amazons. lol "
Maybe because I'm a male I miss alot of the sexism or some things that are viewed as sexism actually aren't so it doesn't appear to be an issue for me.I don't know what it's like to read something that caters to the other sex. "
That is understandalbe. Although, sexism in old school comics wasn't that big of a deal because that is how things were. Today it's looked down upon, just like racism is today. Not saying sexism and racism is good at anytime, but it was just things were. Kinda like the whole weird spanking thing in comics...weird in this day but people probably didn't have second thoughts about it  back in the day.
 

Posted by Nefarious

This is sexism in comics as well.... 
 
 
 
 

Posted by Vance Astro
@OmegaDynasty said:
" @Vance Astro said:

" @OmegaDynasty said:

" @Vance Astro said:
" What Doom said to Carol is sexist but that's because HE'S sexist.It has nothing to do with Bendis.Doom talks to everyone like they are worthless.  "
Well sexism in comics is rather common. Hell even some female characters are sexist like the Star Sapphires and the Amazons. lol "
Maybe because I'm a male I miss alot of the sexism or some things that are viewed as sexism actually aren't so it doesn't appear to be an issue for me.I don't know what it's like to read something that caters to the other sex. "
That is understandalbe. Although, sexism in old school comics wasn't that big of a deal because that is how things were. Today it's looked down upon, just like racism is today. Not saying sexism and racism is good at anytime, but it was just things were. Kinda like the whole weird spanking thing in comics...weird in this day but people probably didn't have second thoughts about it  back in the day.
 

"
Most of what happened in old comics was just stupid period; beyond racism and sexism.
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Posted by OmegaDynasty
@Vance Astro said:
" @OmegaDynasty said:
" @Vance Astro said:

" @OmegaDynasty said:

" @Vance Astro said:
" What Doom said to Carol is sexist but that's because HE'S sexist.It has nothing to do with Bendis.Doom talks to everyone like they are worthless.  "
Well sexism in comics is rather common. Hell even some female characters are sexist like the Star Sapphires and the Amazons. lol "
Maybe because I'm a male I miss alot of the sexism or some things that are viewed as sexism actually aren't so it doesn't appear to be an issue for me.I don't know what it's like to read something that caters to the other sex. "
That is understandalbe. Although, sexism in old school comics wasn't that big of a deal because that is how things were. Today it's looked down upon, just like racism is today. Not saying sexism and racism is good at anytime, but it was just things were. Kinda like the whole weird spanking thing in comics...weird in this day but people probably didn't have second thoughts about it  back in the day.
 

"
Most of what happened in old comics was just stupid period; beyond racism and sexism. "
True.. 
 
  
Posted by Deadcool
@Silkcuts: @FadeToBlackBolt: 

Bendis Overated...

Well, there are a lot of things good with him.

Stan lee overated...

 WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING WITH YOU BOTH?
Oh well...
Posted by Silkcuts
@Deadcool said:
" @Silkcuts: @FadeToBlackBolt: 

Bendis Overated...

Well, there are a lot of things good with him.

Stan lee overated...

 WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING WITH YOU BOTH? Oh well... "
Your a Marvel fan, obviously you would defend Stan Lee.
But Truth is he is a credit whore and guys like Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko are overlooked because Stan Lee has a Silver Tongue and the Devil's smile.
People like Stan Lee's charm, most people don't see the lack of talent he has compared to the acclaim he has. Stan Lee is a Mascot, an Icon, and people love him for the wrong reasons, there is may be one Stan Lee fan at most who I respect why he likes Stan, and that is because he has earned his opinion in my book by being a fan of the medium, so I'll forgive him with that guilty pleasure.  Most Stan Lee fans need to read outside Marvel.
Stan Lee has done as much bad for Marvel as he as done good, how many times did he bankrupt the company again?
Who owns Marvel now?
Stan Lee sells candy to kids.
What is the greatest comic book he wrote if he is so great of a writer?  And I said wrote, not throw words over the artist visual story.
Posted by Deadcool
@Silkcuts said:
1)Your a Marvel fan, obviously you would defend Stan Lee. 
2) But Truth is he is a credit whore and guys like Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko are overlooked because Stan Lee has a Silver Tongue and the Devil's smile. 
People like Stan Lee's charm, most people don't see the lack of talent he has compared to the acclaim he has. Stan Lee is a Mascot, an Icon, and people love him for the wrong reasons, there is may be one Stan Lee fan at most who I respect why he likes Stan, and that is because he has earned his opinion in my book by being a fan of the medium, so I'll forgive him with that guilty pleasure.  
3) Most Stan Lee fans need to read outside Marvel. Stan Lee has done as much bad for Marvel as he as done good, how many times did he bankrupt the company again? Who owns Marvel now? Stan Lee sells candy to kids. 
4) What is the greatest comic book he wrote if he is so great of a writer?  And I said wrote, not throw words over the artist visual story. "
  1. HAHAHA  OH WOW...
  2. Well, NO, yeah in design of the characters they were awesome, they created the recognizable image of the characters, and Steve ditko created the Webshooters, but, man, Stan is more recognized for his run with John Romita Sr. because the introduction of drugs and real problems in comics, that is the real deal, its true that the popular and iconic things were created by the artist, but Stan created the character itself.
  3. ... What makes you think that I havent read any comic outside Marvel line? That is kind of racist LOL.
  4. His whole run in Amazing Spider-man, Thor and Fantastic four.

Posted by Vance Astro

Star is an alien...she's allowed to be nude all she wants.

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Posted by Silkcuts
@Deadcool:  You clearly eat the propaganda that Stan does more then just throw catch paraphrases over other peoples drawings.  As for only Marvel, you actually deny that is your loyalty? Your wiki points are all Marvel or Video games and Stan is one of your Top editor entries of course your going to ride your love for him.  If you looked outside all that "Stan Lee" presents non sense then you would see he is a credit whore and has been given more acclaim then he should have.
 
Do you even like Romita?  Where is the wiki love on that?  Being a Stan Lee fan doesn't make you a fan of the medium, because Stan Lee hasn't written anything besides "Clobbering Time" and other candy for kids.  He came up with ideas sure, but it was the artist in all of his runs that fleshed them out and gave them life.  So give the devil is dues if you want, but until you can get outside of you Stan Lee love you will be missing out on the true potential of the medium.
 
BTW, since you love Stan so much, can you confirm if he is the sexist writer on the Mr. Fantastic that looks like it was drawn by Kirby?  Stan Lee was lucky to be in the right place right time that he can bankrupt the company how many times but the fans know the name and see his mascot smile, forgive him and he can ruin more comics because he is Stan Lee.  He is a hero for children, he shouldn't be a hero for adults.
Posted by Silkcuts
@yeopop said:
"
Somebody talk about Starfire. Well, there she is and in one of the images nude in front of a child.




"
I think its to remind Dick what he is missing out on.
Posted by Vance Astro
@Silkcuts said:
  He is a hero for children, he shouldn't be a hero for adults. "
Stan Lee is my hero :(
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Posted by Silkcuts
@Vance Astro said:
" @Silkcuts said:
  He is a hero for children, he shouldn't be a hero for adults. "
Stan Lee is my hero :( "
Sorry, dude, but Stan Lee has caused as much damage to Marvel as he as done good.
That is why Kirby is "The King" of comics.
Edited by Vance Astro
@Silkcuts said:

" @Vance Astro said:

" @Silkcuts said:
  He is a hero for children, he shouldn't be a hero for adults. "
Stan Lee is my hero :( "
Sorry, dude, but Stan Lee has caused as much damage to Marvel as he as done good. That is why Kirby is "The King" of comics. "
But he created the characters America loves.
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Edited by Silkcuts
@Vance Astro said:

" @Silkcuts said:

" @Vance Astro said:

" @Silkcuts said:
  He is a hero for children, he shouldn't be a hero for adults. "
Stan Lee is my hero :( "
Sorry, dude, but Stan Lee has caused as much damage to Marvel as he as done good. That is why Kirby is "The King" of comics. "
But he created the characters America loves. "
"co" created a few, he gave the name and base idea, the artists gave them life.  Pretty sure he did not create Captain America.  I know he did not create Wolverine and Deadpool.  He was a credit whore that the masses treat like a deity, but all he is is a false God.
Posted by iLLituracy

Why was Stan Lee a credit whore? I mean, even people who were close to Jack Kirby don't particularly blame him for getting the blame. You're faulting the guy for being charming and likable? Every time I hear Stan talk he's always trying to credit the artists he worked with on specific projects. 

Posted by aztek_the_lost
awkwardly avoids the Stan Lee debate and posts about the topic 
 
I've been called a sexist before (granted it's been a while), for things I don't regret, and have therefore always been a little bit of a pain I suppose when the subject is brought up so I'm probably not the target audience here but I did think this was a great post on the topic, defending what you believe, etc. 
 
as for me personally...I can't say I've ever had a problem with comics (the mainstream of which is primarily used for escapism rather then pushing the medium) idealizing the human form...I mean some of your examples of girl power are still characters that are sexualized often so I don't think the problem is really if there's giant breasts (PG FTW!) or a huge man-bulge (Superman!)...I think it's all in how it's written and Marvel is just behind the ball with pushing their heroines to the forefront which I'd say DC has done much better...and I always thought the 90's was incredibly sexualized...
 
when I think of the 90's I think of stuff like Fairchild and Lady Death...of course both are actually cool characters but that's besides the point, they still have nice curves and to a lot of people that's probably their only appeal
 

 

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Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus
@Vance Astro: 
 
Being alien is one thing, but was it really necessary to portray her in such ways in issues practically nude like this?  Has nothing to do with her being Tamaranean.  While she does look good, its real hard to take a character seriously if they're flaunting all the goods like this.  And that's why there's inherent sexism in her nudist portrayals.
 
@yeopop:
  

That was me talking about Starfire, and that's exactly what I was mentioning.
Posted by Decept-O

Some inane comments here but this was a good post, Haydenclaireheroes.   You got some talk going on.  Comics are indeed aimed at a largely male audience, but alas, there has been an increase in female readership.  Quite a number of female fangirls now compared to just 10-15 years ago, and it is great.  I understand the concern about sexism, and I am guilty in many ways of "ogling" the female form in terms of viewing the comics and with my drawings.  Yet I think some of it can be tasteful.  It just seems a lot of it during the last 10 years has been a bit much, I recognize that.  I like it tasteful--not full on in your face, at least not in comics.   
 
 
Posted by Vance Astro
@RedheadedAtrocitus said:
" @Vance Astro: 
 
Being alien is one thing, but was it really necessary to portray her in such ways in issues practically nude like this?  Has nothing to do with her being Tamaranean.  While she does look good, its real hard to take a character seriously if they're flaunting all the goods like this.  And that's why there's inherent sexism in her nudist portrayals.
 
@yeopop:
  That was me talking about Starfire, and that's exactly what I was mentioning. "
What I said about Star being an alien was a joke.This is a forum so I understand you not getting that I wasn't serious.I don't however see any sexism in those images.I think if you knew the context of them you'd understand.
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Posted by Vance Astro
@yeopop said:
" @Vance Astro: She might be an alien but her body is of a human woman. And she's naked in front a of a child, I think writers went too far in that. "
She's laying on her stomach.It's not like he can see any part of her he hasn't seen before.She's also an alien so i'm assuming they are suggesting she doesn't understand why this situation would be inappropriate.
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Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus
@Vance Astro:
Fair enough.  I did get that you weren't being serious but I was just merely saying that such images I do believe to be sexist, not because its necessarily distasteful or anything, but because I believe Im less inclined to take her seriously as a superheroine.  And Kory's not the only character to be guilty of it.  Other examples abound.  Kory's was just the first character that came to mind in my opinion.  And that applies to even a male character if he suddenly appeared in the buff.  Yes, there may be no insidious intent on Kory's part of being nude and she admits this, but intentions and perceptions are two different things.  Again though, that's all in the eye of the beholder.  You may not think Kory being nude is a sexist image and that's fine, I however think differently. 
Posted by Vance Astro
@RedheadedAtrocitus said:
" @Vance Astro: Fair enough.  I did get that you weren't being serious but I was just merely saying that such images I do believe to be sexist, not because its necessarily distasteful or anything, but because I believe Im less inclined to take her seriously as a superheroine.  And Kory's not the only character to be guilty of it.  Other examples abound.  Kory's was just the first character that came to mind in my opinion.  And that applies to even a male character if he suddenly appeared in the buff.  Yes, there may be no insidious intent on Kory's part of being nude and she admits this, but intentions and perceptions are two different things.  Again though, that's all in the eye of the beholder.  You may not think Kory being nude is a sexist image and that's fine, I however think differently.  "
i think alot of things she does causes me not to take her seriously but I think those things she does are part of her character and she does them because that's how she is.Her nudity in those scans may have seemed unnecessary but, just recently in Dark X-men, Norman Osborn had a whole conversation with Namor while he was nude.Some times in comics characters are nude.It happens.
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Posted by haydenclaireheroes
@Decept-O: Well it is understandable that people are really going to have a different opinion on this subject. But I am glad that people are discussing about it. I understand that we have to reveal woman sometimes but I just think we should lower down a little. I am glad you watched my video and enjoyed it.  
Posted by haydenclaireheroes
@aztek the lost:  I am glad that you have a different opinion on the topic but still liked the video.
Posted by Silver2467
Fan serive is mainly the issue I have, in which most female characters are exploited in that regard. To be honest, if superheroines dressed more practically, that would eliminate most (not all but most) sexism in comics. 
 
@FadeToBlackBolt
said:
Another curious instance is that of Wonder Woman: the Hiketeia (a terrible story by the normally great Greg Rucka) which features a scene of Diana mercilessly beating the hell out of Batman and then Bruce begging her to listen to him. Again, this was viewed as an instance of Diana's strength. But imagine the roles reversed; what if Superman beat Huntress to the point where she was begging him to stop? To suggest that the story's reception would be different is something of an understatement.  
Glad someone brought this up. People perceive this as a standing and confident showing on Diana's part, but really, how so? What did she have to lose? Honestly, what threat could Batman, a completely non-superhuman character, pose to her? If anything, it was impressive on his part to confront someone as powerful as she is, not the other way around.
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@Silver2467 said:
" Fan serive is mainly the issue I have, in which most female characters are exploited in that regard. To be honest, if superheroines dressed more practically, that would eliminate most (not all but most) sexism in comics. 
Nobody dresses practical in comics..it's a fallacy on both fronts.Most costumes are asinine.If Spider-Man wore the suit her wears in comics in real life...he'd be basically naked, all his equipment would be hanging out.
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I hope such material isn't available in public place because its overstepping lines and the law if it is available to anyone in public.. Such material suppose to be available only to adults, Its not only sexism but filth. Wearing a bikini is not sexism.
Posted by Vance Astro
@emptytomb said:
I hope such material isn't available in public places because its overstepping lines and the law if it is available to anyone in public.. 
What're you talking about?
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