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@thekillerklok: as someone who is very far left, antifa are clowns. And while the morality of Trump and his supporters is debatable, attacking, threatening, and otherwise doing harmful things to them is terrible. Nobody deserves to be murdered for their political actions unless they have committed a death-warranting crime in the name of their politics. Antifa is a joke amongst my friends because they’re essentially left wing fascists trying to fight right wing fascists and failing miserably at it.

KillerKlok's narrative about all of our streets being unsafe because of Antifa won't hold together if he hears something like this. And we know this isn't really a Politics thread anymore. It is just a right-wing fear-mongering thread.

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Most people who use the term "SJW," and all of the people who are upset about an "anti-straight white male agenda" are not people whose opinions I can take seriously.

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@hatutzeraze said:
@decaffeinated said:

At this point in America Left/Right doesn't matter they're both just different sides of the same coin.

Don't give in to the easy answers so quickly. Ultimately that is a sucker's bet.

You are right that there always has been and always will be corruption and bad actors on both sides. Humans are going to be humans.

That said, both sides do NOT have media calling for the kidnapping and/or execution of elected executives and/or lawmakers. Both sides did NOT attempt an armed insurrection 6 days ago with the intent to overturn the votes of America.

Hold on there. Mostly leftists "occupied" the Wisconsin State capital in 2011 attempting to overthrow legislation they opposed and again in the Texas state capital in 2013. Leftists shot a baseball field full of Republican congressmen, seriously injuring one. Leftists rioted at the White House this past summer and Trump had to be taken to a bunker. Instead of the media covering the violence of the riots that injured 60 plus secret service agents and 150 plus DC park police, they instead laughed at "bunker don". This past summer the U.S. experienced 637 riots between May 26 and Sept. 12, and 91% of those riots were linked to the Black Lives Matter movement, according to the US Crisis Monitor, a joint project of the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project and the Bridging Divides Initiative at Princeton University. Those riots results in 25 deaths, over 1,000 buildings damaged or destroyed, over 10,000 businesses looted, and tens and tens of billions of dollars of damage. Let's not pretend that didn't happen.

We don't have to and we should not pretend any of that didn't happen. Extremists on the left need to be prosecuted. As a leftist, I DO support BLM, because black lives DO matter. I do NOT support associated looting and property destruction. I still remember how horrifying it was when those Republican congressmen were attacked by that maniac and I am thankful that none of them died.

The response to bad acts shouldn't be worse acts. Occupying the national capitol building with the intent of overthrowing an election and murdering the vice-president is absolutely a level beyond ANY of that.

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I was going to take part in the poll, but I will add that the wording is terrible. It implies that people willing to take the vaccine are sheep, and that somehow people rejecting it are icons of personal freedom.

Framing it in that way is idiotic.

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@hatutzeraze: How did he do that? Telling the truth that the election was rigged by the left is like inciting violence? By the same logic anyone who talked about white privilege, white supremacy and systematic racism should be held guilty for what the blm terrorists did. because their main talking point is all about those. And they wrote that article long before he even pointed out to the fact.

Well then if I hate you you should also consider what is wrong with yourself right? Doesn’t make any sense. They hate him because he refuses to play their trade game. It should be dismissed.

1. He was not telling the truth about the election being rigged. He was lying about the election being rigged.

Republicans have shown this. Democrats have shown this. It is a bi-partisan reality. I have zero interest in a slew of links to a bunch of Facebook evidence that clearly does not meet the standards of courtroom evidence.

2. Donald Trump's loss was as obvious as Hillary Clinton's loss in 2016. She did not refuse to concede. She did not claim the election was stolen before a single vote was cast in that election. She did not spend months and months calling that election a steal to a gun-fetish fanbase at rallies and on Twitter. Even after all the challenges were over, even after every single state certified their results, he kept riling up his people, claiming he had won when it was over and he had not won. He kept telling his base that there was still a chance. He claimed Mike Pence would be able to do something he clearly could not do. He didn't just say that to Mike Pence, he said it to the world. He wanted his followers to believe it was not over. Many of them believed this lie and showed up in Washington DC from all across the country, wearing hats and shirts and waving flags all bearing his name. He and his ilk showed up and fanned the flames of an already-amped up crowd.

It defies common sense to suggest he didn't want them to do something extreme. I'd be willing to bet big money that every single person who illegally entered the Capitol building, every single person who beat a police officer to death, every single person who chanted for the execution of Mike Pence while his family was there with him in the building, believed whole-heartedly that they were patriots and they were heroically doing what Donald Trump wanted them to do. They invaded in his name. They attacked to force their wills on the American government, and their will was precisely the thing Donald Trump has been asking for for months - that he be installed as the winner of the 2020 election. His wishes were driving their actions. It clearly did not matter to him whether he was installed legally or through a mob.

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Not all supporters of Trump are racists and Nazis (I know PLENTY who are absolutely not), but all Nazis and racists who do support a presidential candidate support Trump.

They really think he is their guy. He doesn't do much to dissuade them.

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@factg said:
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I don't think there is a point because Trump isn't president anymore. But since it's their first amendment right to protest, they can.

Yes he IS still the president. Since the nation now recognizes that as an intolerable condition, even though he is only president for 8 more days, he will be impeached tomorrow for the second time. If the US Senate contains enough real patriots, he will be removed from office not much later.

Yes, my mistake lol. I meant that there is no point to protest for his position because he won't be in office again for the next 4 years.

"the next 4 years"? He won't be in the presidency EVER again, not after January 6th. He exposed his utter disrespect for America and lost support that he will never get back again.

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@factg: I think that is British propaganda. They hate Trump so they will say that.

What you ignore is that he is hated for very good reasons. Remember: he is the utter scumbag who incited an insurrection of people to invade the capitol, murdering a police officer in the process.

People's opinions about Donald Trump cannot be dismissed just because they hate him. He worked very hard to earn that hatred.

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@factg said:

I don't think there is a point because Trump isn't president anymore. But since it's their first amendment right to protest, they can.

Yes he IS still the president. Since the nation now recognizes that as an intolerable condition, even though he is only president for 8 more days, he will be impeached tomorrow for the second time. If the US Senate contains enough real patriots, he will be removed from office not much later.

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I also love how sanctimonious liberals become when right wingers do any violen...er peaceful protesting. Actually who am I kidding, their entire ideology is being sanctimonious.

There's the pot calling the pan black.