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Posted by hadger24532

i'm leaning more towards spider-man because of his regeneration,stealth,strength and speed but Gambit has the edge as well because now he has advanced kinetic acceleration which makes his cards hits as hard as 2 grenades and his fighting skills are more brutal than ever now.

Edited by Cooldes

this gambit in a stomp imho.

the symbiote didn't actually enhance spidey when he had it. and black suit spidey was just spidey in a black suit.

gambit has great agility, speed and fighting skill especially with that staff.

also he has kinetic energy power so yeah.

all of this plus apocolypse upgrade.

Edited by hadger24532

@cooldes: LOL yes it did it showed it in the movie the 1994 animated series and i'm pretty sure it does it in the comics since thats what the movie is based off of. He became STRONGER,FASTER,AND MORE DURABLE PLUS NOW THE THE SYMBIOTE HEALS HIS WOUND.oh and the apocalypse upgrade gives him more strength and makes him faster and him having kinetic energy doesn't make him win because he loses to plenty of people.and his speed didn't become faster than spidey's neither did his power the only thing gambit has over spidey is his kinetic energy and his fighting skill.

Posted by Visemoon

@hadger24532:

In the comics, the symbiote did NOT increase Spidey's stats at all. That is fact. Venom (Brock) even said so in an Amazing Spider-Man issue. The Symbiote only gave him almost unlimited webbing and the ability to mimic clothing

Posted by hadger24532

@visemoon: you do realize that is eddie's job towards pete right? he's supposed to intimidate him and make him look like trash you really know nothing about this and it's getting annoying because your trying to argue with no evidence.

Edited by dondave

Gambit

Edited by Carter_esque

Black Suit Spidey stomps. He's beaten a herald before:

Posted by Visemoon

@visemoon: you do realize that is eddie's job towards pete right? he's supposed to intimidate him and make him look like trash you really know nothing about this and it's getting annoying because your trying to argue with no evidence.

I clearly know what I'm talking about it, because I'm well verse when it comes to Spider-Man and its very apparent that you don't know what you are talking about because you are make claims and abilities comic Spidey has never displayed. People has told you repeatedly that the suit did not increase his stats and you choose to ignore them.

My suggestion to you is to do a little research on a character before you try arguing without fully understanding whats going on.

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Posted by Visemoon

@hadger24532:

There was another guy in the Wolverine vs Black suit Spidey thread you created IIRC. The thread seem to have disappear

Plus Spidey beat Firelord...that wasn't the symbiote...that was a regular black cloth suit. And the scan you provide doesn't prove anything. The Amazing One does stuff like that on a regular basis. I can post Spidey tear the heads off sentinels without the symbiote.

One again, the symbiote did not increase Spidey's stats in anyway. Eddie Brock has confirmed this

Posted by Visemoon

And you are using Ultimate Spidey. We are discussing 616 Spidey

Edited by Shawnbaby

@hadger24532: The Symbiote never increased Spider-Man's Stats. Ever. The Animated Series has a completely different origin for the Symbiote...as does the Ultimate Universe. In 616 The Symbiote never enhanced Peter's Physical Attributes.

Eddie Brock's Stats were increased because the symbiote copied Peter's physical powers. That's why Venom can do everything Spidey can. Venom is Stronger than Spider-Man because of the proportional differences between Eddie and Peter.

Posted by Cooldes

@hadger24532: bro, go to spidermans Comicvine page, scroll down to his suits, read up on black suit, it even says there that it did not increase his skills or abilities whatsoever.

and during back in black he just wore a plain black cloth suit. either way it's no help.

Edited by hadger24532

@visemoon: i'm not gonna argue if you think that you think what you want you seriously should just quit because no matter how much evidence you bring up there is no evidence that i will believe unless it comes from stan lee.

Edited by Visemoon

@hadger24532: Not trying to be rude, but how old are? It's like I'm trying to reason with a child. Look at how many people are telling you the symbiote didn't increase his stats. I even brought you evidence of that fact in Spider-Man own book and you pretty much saying " Nah, nah, nah...* plug ears* I'm not listening to you"

You were wrong about the Spidey beating Firelord was due to the Symbiote...it was his regular cloth suit. And you were wrong about The symbiote increasing his stats. Just be an adult (if you are) and admit you were wrong and move on. Because you saying you won't believe the evidence from a PUBLISHED comic book unless it comes from Stan Lee is a bit on the childish side.

Posted by Shawnbaby

@visemoon: i'm not gonna argue if you think that you think what you want you seriously should just quit because no matter how much evidence you bring up there is no evidence that i will believe unless it comes from stan lee.

Maybe you should believe the people that have actually read the Comic Books instead of basing your opinion on what happened in the 90's Animated Series.

Stan Lee didn't create the symbiote. He had long since stopped writing Spider-Man when the Symbiote was introduced. Jim Shooter created the Symbiote...and never once has he said that it increased Peter Parker's Stats. David Michelnie later created Venom...and, as has already been shown, specifically had Eddie Brock state that the Symbiote never increased Peter's Stats. Stan Lee was the Publisher of Marvel Comics during all this.

Posted by hadger24532

@visemoon: are you still going why are you still arguing if i say you were right will you stop?

Posted by hadger24532

@visemoon: sorry but yeah i couldn't find a pic i liked of ultimate spidey with the blacksuit (one that i liked) so i used a regular earth 616 sorry for what i said earlier i thought we were both talking about ultimate so thats why i kept saying that it increased his stats.again i apologize and i didn't post that firelord thing it was another guy.

Posted by Visemoon

@hadger24532:

No worries. I'm not well versed on Ultimate Spidey anyways. All is good :-)

Edited by tparks

This is why Black Suit Spidey shouldn't be used in threads. lol. Everyone argues over his strength stats even though it's been proven his strength never increased. He didn't really increase strength, he just didn't hold back as much when he wore it. Also, the worst scan in the history of comics is always used when he beats Firelord. If you read the rules to the battle threads, it uses that scan as an example of scans not to use. It is some of the worst writing ever in comics. Firelord is just below Silver Surfer and should not be used in Spider Man threads.

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Posted by hadger24532

@tparks: his stats did it increase in the ultimate spidey comics which is what i'm using read the comments before you comment it's like thinking before you speak.

Posted by tparks

@tparks: his stats did it increase in the ultimate spidey comics which is what i'm using read the comments before you comment it's like thinking before you speak.

It doesn't say in the OP and I always assume it's 616 for Marvel unless otherwise stated.. Also, I saw scans of 616 spider man and debates about him. It's never clearly stated in the thread either, I read them all. You even debate about Spiderman beating Firelord, which was 616 Spiderman. See below.

@visemoon: um who has told me that the suit didn't increase his stats because theres was only one guy and he showed spider-man whoop a heralds ass with the suit proving my point that spidey does get increase stats. heres proof that it made him stronger.oh and heres a link that proves it.

http://www.comicvine.com/ultimate-spider-man-35-legacy/4000-108170/

I think you might need to rethink what you are posting. There is no consistency here.

@cooldes: LOL yes it did it showed it in the movie the 1994 animated series and i'm pretty sure it does it in the comics since thats what the movie is based off of. He became STRONGER,FASTER,AND MORE DURABLE PLUS NOW THE THE SYMBIOTE HEALS HIS WOUND.oh and the apocalypse upgrade gives him more strength and makes him faster and him having kinetic energy doesn't make him win because he loses to plenty of people.and his speed didn't become faster than spidey's neither did his power the only thing gambit has over spidey is his kinetic energy and his fighting skill.

And here you're talking about the movie and cartoon. The only time you talk about Ultimate is at the very end of all these threads. None of your posts before any of that have Ultimate Spider Man.

As you can see, I did read everything before I posted, and I did think, but you are picking and choosing feats from different universes of Spider Man. I really don't have any real problem with this, but don't claim that I am not reading or thinking.

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Posted by hadger24532

@tparks: i already apologized to the guy i was just being stubborn at that point trying to prove i was right no matter what. so are we done here?