Women in comics.

I don't know about you but I love women. Soft in all the right places :P
Love comics too and I'm wondering if female characters get fair treated when it comes the four colour page.
Sure I understand readerships probably still predominantly male and we do like to see those little tiny outfits but when there's just no depth to a character I sorta lose interes.
There's been a lotta of great female characters and they've had some great books too. Birds of Prey, She-Hulk, Catwoman's had some good shots too. One thing that often bothers me too is that while a lot of female characters go on to develop well many start off as lazy creations. Copies of male characters. Don't believe me?

  • Spider-woman
  • She-Hulk
  • Batgirl
  • Supergirl
  • Spider-woman
  • Rescue (Pepper Pots)
  • X-23
  • Jesse Quick
  • Batwoman
  • Hawk Girl
See?
Heck, look at Wonder Woman. Diana Prince is basicly Clark Kent with boobies. (And don't get me started on that. Way better as just Princess Diana.
 
How about the stories the ladies are get? Barbara Gordon was used in Killing Joke to establish the Joker as a bad ass, Storm was one of the Strongest X-men and now she's been reduced to little more than T' Challla's wife with little or no time left for mutant adventures and how about Wonder woman's use in Final Crisis.
 
The thing that's got me thinkin' about this is Marvel pushing female books that, in my opinion at least, feel like dolls for the female readership to play with. Girl Comics, Her-oes and Diva's to name a few.
And now we've got the overly sexual X-women to look forward to as well? Of course there's the overly sexual aproach to women in comics in general. Remember Huntress's ridiculous costume change for Hush? I'm a dude and I thought it was stoopid.
 
I wanna see more stories or runs in series along the lines of Greg Rucka's Wonder Woman And Birds of Prey which has pretty much been consistantly good. She-Hulk's had some good run's too. And how about Darwyn Cookes run on Catwoman? And if you're not reading Echo you really should be. 

I guess my point is comics can always use new readers and if I was a chick (if I was I'd be a hot chick) I'd be put off by most of what's available and the approach to female character.
 
What do all you viners think?
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Posted by blackstormtorrent

yea i get what ur saying i wish there where comics that where focused on female characters i enjoyed she hulk and ms marvel but both got cancelled  when i think about it there arent many female charaters that have there own book and mostly get cancelled before they hit issues 50 or 100 i hope in the time this will change and they will come up with story with good female characthers and also write them good the last issues of ms marvel i did not enjoy became kinda stupid

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Posted by Gylan Thomas
@blackstormtorrent said:
" yea i get what ur saying i wish there where comics that where focused on female characters i enjoyed she hulk and ms marvel but both got cancelled  when i think about it there arent many female charaters that have there own book and mostly get cancelled before they hit issues 50 or 100 i hope in the time this will change and they will come up with story with good female characthers and also write them good the last issues of ms marvel i did not enjoy became kinda stupid "
Companies nearly always give up towards the end and just throw any ole thing out once they've decided to end a series.
Just reminded me though. Ms Marvel's another copy cat character. Captain Marvel with boobage.
Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Caligula said:
" there is always Tulip O'Hare, Panda Delgado, Witchblade, Aphrodite IV, Magdalena, ShadowCat, CatWoman, and now Fearless Dawn. they are far less lame than most. "
That's a reasonable list but some jsut aren't bein' well used, some were stars of stories series that are over and some fall well into the overly sexual category.
I want some strong female characters in current comics who aren't jsut eye candy or plot deivces. And maybe make 'em the stars of their own series again.
Edited by CylonDorado

I like a lot of those characters just fine. I think the real lack of originality is with the powers. They can't think of any more.
Posted by Gylan Thomas
@CylonDorado said:
" I like a lot of those characters just fine. I think the real lack of originality is with the powers. They can't think of any more. "
Don't get me wrong. I like a lot of those character too but I like them more because of how they've been used. 
Basing a character on a previous character is pretty lazy and unoriginal.
Posted by Cherry Bomb

I love seeing females in comics. (:  they are like my idols.
Most female comic-characters like, Wonder Woman, Catwoman, X-23, Batgirl .... are all portrayed as strong, independant and smart women. Which is better than just simply a 'love interest' like they perhaps used to be portrayed like.

Posted by CylonDorado
@Gylan Thomas:
That's true. I remember I heard somewhere that She-Hulk was made in a hurry because they didn't want that old live action TV show to get the rights to a female hulk. But she turned out pretty cool anyway. It is lazy, but it kinda makes sense because they wanted more female characters after so many male characters were taking up a lot of the super powers.
Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Cherry Bomb said:
" I love seeing females in comics. (:  they are like my idols. Most female comic-characters like, Wonder Woman, Catwoman, X-23, Batgirl .... are all portrayed as strong, independant and smart women. Which is better than just simply a 'love interest' like they perhaps used to be portrayed like. "
They rarely seem to get the respect they're due though.
I frequently feel let down by marvel's use of their female characters.
Even the love interests can be written well of course.
Posted by Gylan Thomas
@CylonDorado said:
" @Gylan Thomas: That's true. I remember I heard somewhere that She-Hulk was made in a hurry because they didn't want that old live action TV show to get the rights to a female hulk. But she turned out pretty cool anyway. It is lazy, but it kinda makes sense because they wanted more female characters after so many male characters were taking up a lot of the super powers. "
But why not give some of the new powers to the ladies?
I don't remember a live action She-Hulk but now I wanna see her :D
Posted by CylonDorado
@Gylan Thomas:
I don't think they ever made one, I think the comic guys getting the rights made them unable to do that. But that would have been cool :D. 
 
Posted by Cherry Bomb
@Gylan Thomas said:
"They rarely seem to get the respect they're due though. I frequently feel let down by marvel's use of their female characters. Even the love interests can be written well of course. "
Yeah, I agree. Their potrayal's have come along way, but not far enough. :/  they deserve the same spotlight and respect as male comic characters.
Edited by The_MVPs

I respectfully disagree that Batgirl (any of em) are copies of Batman. They only similarity between any of em is the Bat-Theme/costume. Other then that they are completely original characters with extremely different backgrounds and characteristics. And I strongly disagree that Wonder Woman is Superman with boobs. Super Strength, Super Speed, and on some level Super Durability, are the only things that mirror each other. Just about every character ever created shares some sort of ability that can be linked to someone else.
 
You do make alot of valid points, dont get me wrong. But some of them are a matter of perspective. Lets use Barbara and the killing Joke. Yes it made the Joker look like a badass, but it was also essential in the development of Barbara Gordon. She's a better character now because of what happened then she was as Batgirl. Thats just my opinion and not everyone will agree but thats okay :P In a way you could say that by Joker shooting Barbara he not only upped his profile, but Barbara's as well. Which in turn led to the creation of a brand new female character, Cassandra Cain. Which in turn brought Lady Shiva back into relevance. So by Joker being made to look like a badass, it actually helped female characters :D

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Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Cherry Bomb: 
@blackstormtorrent: 
 
What do you ladies make of marvels recent attempts? 
I think they've been pretty poor and I'm particularly annoyed with X-women and the fact that so much is out of continuity.  
I was ragin' when they killed Wasp in Secret Invasion. She was the first female avanger. And when they let Morrison kill off Jean. She'd already died once and it felt like it was just so she couldn't get in the way of what he had going with Scott and Emma.
Why can't Marvel respond in some way to Birds of Prey? Written by a woman the series is possibly one of the best representations of women in comic. Second only to Terry Moores Echo.
Vertigo writes good women of course. But then their main audience isn't teen boys.
Posted by CylonDorado

 
I guess it just depends on the writers. Depending on the writer, Wonder Woman could command the respect of everyone around her, or she could make out with a chick in a public restroom for some reason.

Posted by IronSpidy-Rooney

I think there is an idea behind this thats why I'm going to start something smiler  to this but a different topic I might mention this blog though

Posted by Koge

Considering most of the mainstream comic artists are men, I am not surprised.  Women in comics have come a long way from lettering sweatshops however there is still some room to go.  Even today, there are only three majorly syndicated female strip artists.  As for tights and fights comics- typically they are drawn in a very masculine style, making it hard for women (or men with a feminine style) to break in.
 
What I want to see is more stand alone female super villains.  Outside of the Batman universe and Mystique, I can't think of many that are seen as a major threat.

Posted by Cherry Bomb
@Gylan Thomas:  I was furious when Wasp was killed off! - she's such an underrated character and deserves to stay and have some spotlight of her own. but no, the killed her. ¬_¬  and I also hate how Marvel's made a joke of Jean over the years,  people forget she's an original X-Woman and think of her as the chick who  "dies, then comes back alive" - which she has done over and over again, it's annoying.
 
I'm a huge fan of the Birds of Prey , It's a great series, all of the women are so confident and kick ass, it's great to watch. I love the character development of Barbara Gordon, she's a woman that can get attention without wearing 'next to nothing' and she has brains aswell, also, it's rare that writers would give a female a large experience like Babs has gone through  (being confined to a wheelchair)
Posted by blackstormtorrent
@Gylan Thomas: 
ive never read birds of prey but i did like marvel divas i thought they could have made the stories of these females as friends and heroes last longer but there where only 4 issues thats marvel 4 ya
Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Gambler said:
" I respectfully disagree that Batgirl (any of em) are copies of Batman. They only similarity between any of em is the Bat-Theme/costume. Other then that they are completely original characters with extremely different backgrounds and characteristics. And I strongly disagree that Wonder Woman is Superman with boobs. Super Strength, Super Speed, and on some level Super Durability, are the only things that mirror each other. Just about every character ever created shares some sort of ability that can be linked to someone else.  You do make alot of valid points, dont get me wrong. But some of them are a matter of perspective. Lets use Barbara and the killing Joke. Yes it made the Joker look like a badass, but it was also essential in the development of Barbara Gordon. She's a better character now because of what happened then she was as Batgirl. Thats just my opinion and not everyone will agree but thats okay :P In a way you could say that by Joker shooting Barbara he not only upped his profile, but Barbara's as well. Which in turn led to the creation of a brand new female character, Cassandra Cain. Which in turn brought Lady Shiva back into relevance. So by Joker being made to look like a badass, it actually helped female characters :D "
You misunderstand.
The Batgirls today are stronger characters than when Bab's was first put in costume. Way back then I would strongly suggest she was just a copy of batman. It happened a lot and a lot of the characters that were dupes of others haven't survived today. It's not just female characters. Most sidekicks were just copys of the adult designed to give the young readers someone to relate to.
I didn't suggest Wonder Woman was a Superman copy. I'm a huge Wonder Woman fan myself and Wonder Woman bare's little resmeblance to Superman. Diana Prince however is, in my opinion, very similar to Clark Kent. Right down to the glasses disguise. This is why I liked George Perez writing Diana Prince out of continuity.
Allan Moore didn't plan to have Bab's made into Oracle. His misuse of the character was fixed by a different writer. Again, don't misunderstand me. Killing Joke was a good story and I like it but it's just an example of how women are used in comics.
Shiva had been around for some time before the Casandra Cain Batgirl arrived. I'm not certain on her first appearance but she was around as early as A Death In The Family and if memory serves helped train Bruce after his back injury.
Posted by Koge

 @CylonDorado: 
Most definitely.  Marston created her to be a strong role for young women and yet, often depicted her in chains due to his own kinky wants.  Have you ever seen the letter from an editdor to Marston begging him to use, "at least 75% less chains."  He then goes on to suggest other binding tools like rope,wire, etc.  It's hilarious. 

Posted by Gylan Thomas
@CylonDorado said:
" @Gylan Thomas: I don't think they ever made one, I think the comic guys getting the rights made them unable to do that. But that would have been cool :D.   "
I remember reading Brigite Nielson was supposed to play her but never happened. I'm sure I read that when She-Hulk had already arrived though. 
 
@CylonDorado said:
"

 
I guess it just depends on the writers. Depending on the writer, Wonder Woman could command the respect of everyone around her, or she could make out with a chick in a public restroom for some reason.

"
I'd buy that public restroom one. Maybe Dr Psycho could be behind it :D
Is the answer more female writers? Works with Gail Simone on Birds of Prey.
 
@blackstormtorrent said:
" @Gylan Thomas:  ive never read birds of prey but i did like marvel divas i thought they could have made the stories of these females as friends and heroes last longer but there where only 4 issues thats marvel 4 ya "
I read a preview of Diva but it felt liek Superhero sex and the city. DC write women much better.
 
@IronSpidy-Rooney said:
" I think there is an idea behind this thats why I'm going to start something smiler  to this but a different topic I might mention this blog though "
Erm....Thanks for stealin' my idea :P
Posted by The_MVPs
@Gylan Thomas said:
" You misunderstand. The Batgirls today are stronger characters than when Bab's was first put in costume. Way back then I would strongly suggest she was just a copy of batman. It happened a lot and a lot of the characters that were dupes of others haven't survived today. It's not just female characters. Most sidekicks were just copys of the adult designed to give the young readers someone to relate to. I didn't suggest Wonder Woman was a Superman copy. I'm a huge Wonder Woman fan myself and Wonder Woman bare's little resmeblance to Superman. Diana Prince however is, in my opinion, very similar to Clark Kent. Right down to the glasses disguise. This is why I liked George Perez writing Diana Prince out of continuity. Allan Moore didn't plan to have Bab's made into Oracle. His misuse of the character was fixed by a different writer. Again, don't misunderstand me. Killing Joke was a good story and I like it but it's just an example of how women are used in comics. Shiva had been around for some time before the Casandra Cain Batgirl arrived. I'm not certain on her first appearance but she was around as early as A Death In The Family and if memory serves helped train Bruce after his back injury. "
 
 Even in the beginning Babs and Batman were completely different. Like I said, the only thing they had in common was the costume and Bat-title. Barbara was happy go lucky, while Batman was dark and brooding. She was bright and outgoing and he was dark and withdrawn. I agree alot of sidekicks are copies, not disagreeing there. But Barbara wasn't one of them in my opinion. Sorry but I still disagree that even Diana Prince is a copy of Clark Kent. They both wear glasses....lots of people wear glasses. Clark is clumsy and buffoonish, which Diana Prince is not. I understand that Barbara wasn't originally going to be Oracle, but it doesn't change that her being shot was bigger then just making the Joker look cool. And the ramifications from that benefited female characters. I dont see her being shot as a misuse, it was a shocking and jaw dropping moment for its time. I get what you're saying about the way certain female characters are used. Its the whole " Women in Refrigerators" theme. The perfect example is the Sentry's wife. A character who was used for nothing more then mistreatment and eventual death. Also, I didnt say Shiva first arrived when Cassandra Cain was created, I said Cassandra Cain's creation gave Shiva "Relevance" again. She first appeared back in Richard Dragon's first series Pre-Crisis.
 
But like I said, you make several good points I just dont agree with a couple small comparisons :)
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Posted by CylonDorado

@Koge:  
No, I havn't seen that, but that's definatly on my to do list now. Lol, I just started reading the golden age stuff, and I DEFINATLY noticed that.
 
@Gylan Thomas:

Lol, that would be a tad A-hole-ish, but I'd probably do the same if I had Dr. Psycho's powers.  More female writers might do the trick.

 
Gail Simone can write beastly characters for sure.

Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Gambler said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" You misunderstand. The Batgirls today are stronger characters than when Bab's was first put in costume. Way back then I would strongly suggest she was just a copy of batman. It happened a lot and a lot of the characters that were dupes of others haven't survived today. It's not just female characters. Most sidekicks were just copys of the adult designed to give the young readers someone to relate to. I didn't suggest Wonder Woman was a Superman copy. I'm a huge Wonder Woman fan myself and Wonder Woman bare's little resmeblance to Superman. Diana Prince however is, in my opinion, very similar to Clark Kent. Right down to the glasses disguise. This is why I liked George Perez writing Diana Prince out of continuity. Allan Moore didn't plan to have Bab's made into Oracle. His misuse of the character was fixed by a different writer. Again, don't misunderstand me. Killing Joke was a good story and I like it but it's just an example of how women are used in comics. Shiva had been around for some time before the Casandra Cain Batgirl arrived. I'm not certain on her first appearance but she was around as early as A Death In The Family and if memory serves helped train Bruce after his back injury. "
 
 Even in the beginning Babs and Batman were completely different. Like I said, the only thing they had in common was the costume and Bat-title. Barbara was happy go lucky, while Batman was dark and brooding. She was bright and outgoing and he was dark and withdrawn. I agree alot of sidekicks are copies, not disagreeing there. But Barbara wasn't one of them in my opinion. Sorry but I still disagree that even Diana Prince is a copy of Clark Kent. They both wear glasses....lots of people wear glasses. Clark is clumsy and buffoonish, which Diana Prince is not. I understand that Barbara wasn't originally going to be Oracle, but it doesn't change that her being shot was bigger then just making the Joker look cool. And the ramifications from that benefited female characters. I dont see her being shot as a misuse, it was a shocking and jaw dropping moment for its time. I get what you're saying about the way certain female characters are used. Its the whole " Women in Refrigerators" theme. The perfect example is the Sentry's wife. A character who was used for nothing more then mistreatment and eventual death. Also, I didnt say Shiva first arrived when Cassandra Cain was created, I said Cassandra Cain's creation gave Shiva "Relevance" again. She first appeared back in Richard Dragon's first series Pre-Crisis. But like I said, you make several good points I just dont agree with a couple small comparisons :) "
Of course the characters personalitys are different. If not it really woudl be an outright copy. However, stay with the Bat's as an example, Batgirl as a concept isn't the most original idea. 
I'm not sure we can attribute every thing that happen with a Batgirl or because of a Batgirl to Bab's shooting years before either. What if Bab's had just retired? 
Shooting Bab's was the desicion of one Allan Moore (big fan). Just like what Mike Grell did to Balck Canary in Long Bow Hunters (?)
You are right about the whole "women in refrigerators" thing of  course.
 
What it really comes down to is that the audience is predominantly male.
Posted by Cherry Bomb
@blackstormtorrent:  Is Marvel Diva's  good? - I've been meaning to read it, but haven't gotten round to it yet. (:
Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Cherry Bomb said:
" @blackstormtorrent:  Is Marvel Diva's  good? - I've been meaning to read it, but haven't gotten round to it yet. (: "
If you liked Birds of Prey I'm not sure you'd like Divas.
Posted by blackstormtorrent
@Cherry Bomb:
yea i liked it forcus more on the friend ship between black cat firestar patsy palmer photon i liked it cause u got to know more about the charaters and it was kinda funny aswell it dealt with issues with cancer as well and had sum fighing in it would have been good if they continued with it cause these female characters have more stories to tell
Posted by Cherry Bomb
@Gylan Thomas said:
" If you liked Birds of Prey I'm not sure you'd like Divas. "
I've heard Marvel Diva's is less action, more glam. Compared to BOP, so I'm not sure. :L  
 
@blackstormtorrent: 
Thanks (: I'll have to check it out. I love Felicia and Monica, so I look forward to their scenes.  Do Felicia and Monica have big roles? Because I've only really heard about the cancer theme with patsy.
Posted by Gylan Thomas
@blackstormtorrent said:
" @Cherry Bomb: yea i liked it forcus more on the friend ship between black cat firestar patsy palmer photon i liked it cause u got to know more about the charaters and it was kinda funny aswell it dealt with issues with cancer as well and had sum fighing in it would have been good if they continued with it cause these female characters have more stories to tell "
Yuck!
The characters had barely ever met before Divas. If at all.
There was no set up or any thing. Seemed like the reader had missed some thing.
Birds started from scratch. They weren't lazy about it.
Posted by Cherry Bomb
@Gylan Thomas said:
" Yuck! The characters had barely ever met before Divas. If at all.There was no set up or any thing. Seemed like the reader had missed some thing. Birds started from scratch. They weren't lazy about it. "
But Marvel Diva's was only a limited miniseries, planned for 4 issues. So I guess they had to speed things up and automatically make the characters friends.
Posted by blackstormtorrent
@Cherry Bomb said

 
@blackstormtorrent:  Thanks (: I'll have to check it out. I love Felicia and Monica, so I look forward to their scenes.  Do Felicia and Monica have big roles? Because I've only really heard about the cancer theme with patsy. "
yea there have sum scenes mostly about the cancer that i can remeber monica stuff about her and brother vodoo and felica is about her and sum rich guy cant remeber her story that much
Posted by Cherry Bomb
@blackstormtorrent said:
" @Cherry Bomb said

 
@blackstormtorrent:  Thanks (: I'll have to check it out. I love Felicia and Monica, so I look forward to their scenes.  Do Felicia and Monica have big roles? Because I've only really heard about the cancer theme with patsy. "
yea there have sum scenes mostly about the cancer that i can remeber monica stuff about her and brother vodoo and felica is about her and sum rich guy cant remeber her story that much "
Oh, Okay. :D thanks
Posted by The_MVPs
@Gylan Thomas said:
" Of course the characters personalitys are different. If not it really woudl be an outright copy. However, stay with the Bat's as an example, Batgirl as a concept isn't the most original idea.  I'm not sure we can attribute every thing that happen with a Batgirl or because of a Batgirl to Bab's shooting years before either. What if Bab's had just retired?  Shooting Bab's was the desicion of one Allan Moore (big fan). Just like what Mike Grell did to Balck Canary in Long Bow Hunters (?) You are right about the whole "women in refrigerators" thing of  course. What it really comes down to is that the audience is predominantly male. "
 To me their personalities being different is essential in separating them as more then just "copies." Visually Batgirl has the look of Batman, but I think a copy is more then that. Moon Knight seems more like a copy of Batman then Batgirl and he has a completely different looking costume. We can certainly draw a line to what happened to Babs to the current state of the Batgirls now. You're right, she could have just retired, but look at the way fans reacted to Cassandra Cain just up and retiring. To me Barbara just retiring would have been far worse then her being shot. Crippling a known superherione was an emotional moment, and I believe it was a first. Havent read Long Bow so I'm not sure what the reference is there? I know who made the call to shoot Babs, its a classic moment in comics. Something people still talk about to this day. Its why I dont associate it with the other mishandlings of female characters. It was more then that.
 
I agree that the audience is predominately male, so the company panders to its core base. As more and more female fans appear the state of things will begin to change. We've already begun to see a role reversal here. I mean no one can tell me that Tarantula rapping Nightwing was anything other then Devin Grayson making a statement ;)
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Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Gambler: 
I missed the Tarantualla/ Nightwing rape but frankly it sounds ridiculous to me.
I'll not go into details but I can;t see how that would work and I've never heard of a recorded case along those lines. Female/ male sexual assault yes but full on rape? I can't see how that'd work.
Edited by The_MVPs
@Gylan Thomas said:

" @Gambler:  I missed the Tarantualla/ Nightwing rape but frankly it sounds ridiculous to me. I'll not go into details but I can;t see how that would work and I've never heard of a recorded case along those lines. Female/ male sexual assault yes but full on rape? I can't see how that'd work. "

That very subject has been debated on here before. Whether or not its ridiculous really wasn't the point I was trying to make :p  in fact I agree its ridiculous which is why I mentioned it. It clearly shows the state of things. That comics have been male dominated (both in terms of readership and within the industry) for so long, that some writers feel the need to flip the script to such a degree that we get a Nightwing rape scene lol. I imagine it works the same way 90% of the unrealistic feats in comics do. By ignoring reality.
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Posted by Gylan Thomas
@blackstormtorrent said:
" @Cherry Bomb said

 
@blackstormtorrent:  Thanks (: I'll have to check it out. I love Felicia and Monica, so I look forward to their scenes.  Do Felicia and Monica have big roles? Because I've only really heard about the cancer theme with patsy. "
yea there have sum scenes mostly about the cancer that i can remeber monica stuff about her and brother vodoo and felica is about her and sum rich guy cant remeber her story that much "
Sounds awfull. Supergirls havin' man trouble. Stick with Birds Cherry. 
@Cherry Bomb said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" Yuck! The characters had barely ever met before Divas. If at all.There was no set up or any thing. Seemed like the reader had missed some thing. Birds started from scratch. They weren't lazy about it. "
But Marvel Diva's was only a limited miniseries, planned for 4 issues. So I guess they had to speed things up and automatically make the characters friends. "
It was a four issue series but Birds was even less when it started. It was a one shot and it still took the time to set a back story in place in a good first part to it's story.
Marvel seemingly picked four disparate characters and threw them together in an attempt to appeal to female readers.
Posted by aztek_the_lost
@Gylan Thomas said:
" @Gambler:  I missed the Tarantualla/ Nightwing rape but frankly it sounds ridiculous to me. I'll not go into details but I can;t see how that would work and I've never heard of a recorded case along those lines. Female/ male sexual assault yes but full on rape? I can't see how that'd work. "
all you need is a piece of string
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Posted by The_MVPs
@aztek the lost said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" @Gambler:  I missed the Tarantualla/ Nightwing rape but frankly it sounds ridiculous to me. I'll not go into details but I can;t see how that would work and I've never heard of a recorded case along those lines. Female/ male sexual assault yes but full on rape? I can't see how that'd work. "
all you need is a piece of string "
Maybe thats all you need. I need a full on heavy duty rope son. The type they use to tie up Freighters <_<
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Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Gambler said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:

" @Gambler:  I missed the Tarantualla/ Nightwing rape but frankly it sounds ridiculous to me. I'll not go into details but I can;t see how that would work and I've never heard of a recorded case along those lines. Female/ male sexual assault yes but full on rape? I can't see how that'd work. "

That very subject has been debated on here before. Whether or not its ridiculous really wasn't the point I was trying to make :p  in fact I agree its ridiculous which is why I mentioned it. It clearly shows the state of things. That comics have been male dominated (both in terms of readership and within the industry) for so long, that some writers feel the need to flip the script to such a degree that we get a Nightwing rape scene lol. I imagine it works the same way 90% of the unrealistic feats in comics do. By ignoring reality. "
Sorry. I didn't mean to come off liek I didn't get your point. Just sayin' it seemed bizarre to me when I heard about it.
I think the super stuff is ok to ignore reality but if we're dealing with some thing that can't be put down to a super power it needs to be done in a plausible way.
Posted by The_MVPs
@Gylan Thomas said:
" @Gambler said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:

" @Gambler:  I missed the Tarantualla/ Nightwing rape but frankly it sounds ridiculous to me. I'll not go into details but I can;t see how that would work and I've never heard of a recorded case along those lines. Female/ male sexual assault yes but full on rape? I can't see how that'd work. "

That very subject has been debated on here before. Whether or not its ridiculous really wasn't the point I was trying to make :p  in fact I agree its ridiculous which is why I mentioned it. It clearly shows the state of things. That comics have been male dominated (both in terms of readership and within the industry) for so long, that some writers feel the need to flip the script to such a degree that we get a Nightwing rape scene lol. I imagine it works the same way 90% of the unrealistic feats in comics do. By ignoring reality. "
Sorry. I didn't mean to come off liek I didn't get your point. Just sayin' it seemed bizarre to me when I heard about it. I think the super stuff is ok to ignore reality but if we're dealing with some thing that can't be put down to a super power it needs to be done in a plausible way. "
Oh I know, just exchanges thoughts with ya.
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Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Gambler said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" @Gambler:  I missed the Tarantualla/ Nightwing rape but frankly it sounds ridiculous to me. I'll not go into details but I can;t see how that would work and I've never heard of a recorded case along those lines. Female/ male sexual assault yes but full on rape? I can't see how that'd work. "
all you need is a piece of string "
Maybe thats all you need. I need a full on heavy duty rope son. The type they use to tie up Freighters <_< "
Is that how it went down in the story?
All I need is dental floss :( No over compensation here though :P
Posted by The_MVPs
@Gylan Thomas said:
" @Gambler said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" @Gambler:  I missed the Tarantualla/ Nightwing rape but frankly it sounds ridiculous to me. I'll not go into details but I can;t see how that would work and I've never heard of a recorded case along those lines. Female/ male sexual assault yes but full on rape? I can't see how that'd work. "
all you need is a piece of string "
Maybe thats all you need. I need a full on heavy duty rope son. The type they use to tie up Freighters <_< "
Is that how it went down in the story? All I need is dental floss :( No over compensation here though :P "
HAHAHA nice. And no, there was no rope involved. Just alot of shame and crying :P
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Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Gambler said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" @Gambler said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:

" @Gambler:  I missed the Tarantualla/ Nightwing rape but frankly it sounds ridiculous to me. I'll not go into details but I can;t see how that would work and I've never heard of a recorded case along those lines. Female/ male sexual assault yes but full on rape? I can't see how that'd work. "

That very subject has been debated on here before. Whether or not its ridiculous really wasn't the point I was trying to make :p  in fact I agree its ridiculous which is why I mentioned it. It clearly shows the state of things. That comics have been male dominated (both in terms of readership and within the industry) for so long, that some writers feel the need to flip the script to such a degree that we get a Nightwing rape scene lol. I imagine it works the same way 90% of the unrealistic feats in comics do. By ignoring reality. "
Sorry. I didn't mean to come off liek I didn't get your point. Just sayin' it seemed bizarre to me when I heard about it. I think the super stuff is ok to ignore reality but if we're dealing with some thing that can't be put down to a super power it needs to be done in a plausible way. "
Oh I know, just exchanges thoughts with ya. "
That's cool. Never can tell on tinternet :)
Posted by aztek_the_lost
@Gambler: LMFAO!
 
well, I mean the point is it's possible to rape guys but it's still a pretty ridiculous story from what I've seen of it IMO
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Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Gambler: 
"shame and crying" eh?
Not very condusive to a stimulating sexual encounter eh?
Which is pretty much why female on male rape seems implausible. 
I'm shocked that story was given the ok.
Posted by Gylan Thomas
@aztek the lost said:
" @Gambler: LMFAO!  well, I mean the point is it's possible to rape guys but it's still a pretty ridiculous story from what I've seen of it IMO "
Possible maybe. The attacker woudl still have to tie the victim down first or maybe knock them out.
God Damn!
Look what you've reduced my blog to! And you two are mod's as well. I better get quest points for this :P
Posted by The_MVPs
@Gylan Thomas said:
" @Gambler:  "shame and crying" eh? Not very condusive to a stimulating sexual encounter eh? Which is pretty much why female on male rape seems implausible.  I'm shocked that story was given the ok. "
I'm just glad I'm not a Nightwing fan. I imagine it pissed alot of people off (and I dont remember exactly if it was full on penetration rape, or just Dr. bad touch rape).
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Posted by Gylan Thomas
@Gambler said:
" @Gylan Thomas said:
" @Gambler:  "shame and crying" eh? Not very condusive to a stimulating sexual encounter eh? Which is pretty much why female on male rape seems implausible.  I'm shocked that story was given the ok. "
I'm just glad I'm not a Nightwing fan. I imagine it pissed alot of people off (and I dont remember exactly if it was full on penetration rape, or just Dr. bad touch rape). "
I always kinda think rape is penetration and any thing else is sexual assault. I'm not down playing non penetrative assualts. That's just how I've always sort of seen it.
(Again. What have you two done to my blog?!? :P)
Posted by Erik
@Gylan Thomas said:
" @Gambler:  "shame and crying" eh? Not very condusive to a stimulating sexual encounter eh? Which is pretty much why female on male rape seems implausible.  I'm shocked that story was given the ok. "
Not only is it plausible, it happens enough in real life that it is starting to be talked about. Obviously it does not happen as often as male on female rape, but it actually happens. 
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