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#1 Posted by Grimoire (566 posts) - - Show Bio

Should be cool to watch.

#3 Posted by Grimoire (566 posts) - - Show Bio

@blacklegraph said: Logic is powerless before the might of the fanboy.

I can see that. lol

#4 Posted by Grimoire (566 posts) - - Show Bio

@grimoire: Nice profile pic. I might have to change mine to Grahf and take over your body.

It is fantastic that you know that. lol

#5 Posted by Grimoire (566 posts) - - Show Bio

@owie said:

@grimoire said:

During the Death of Superman arc when he grabbed Doomsday to fly up into the sky but he broke Superman's hold just like the Hulk would do to Wonder Woman. She is strong but he has access to a lot more especially if he see's he needs it going up into the sky.

Also Hulk's gamma power has let him do some crazy physics bending things like grabbing Dr. Doom's shield like it was a solid, crashing through a glass window that should have sent him into another dimension, as well punching through time itself to name a few. lol

Random unusual effects in the past aren't really a good predictor that a unidirectional expellation of energy is going to move someone in a particular direction.

And the fact the Doomsday happened to break free of Superman isn't a good predictor that the same thing would happen with Wonder Woman. Firstly that's one random instance of what might happen for one character carrying another, not what happens every time that situation occurs. Secondly she's got martial skills and could potentially find a way to hold him so he was arm locked during flight. Thirdly again she could lasso him ahead of time. I'd guess that she'd get him up there the majority of times.

Like I said it is a theory as it would have to be used in the comics to get that answer. lol

This fight also is a random event and any number of factors would change the outcome so I don't believe in the easy use one move and fight over. Both are good tacticians so I don't see either falling for many traps. Martial arts does not decide a victor as WWH is self taught and was doing pretty good for himself.

WW is strong but do you really believe she could arm lock WWH? Really?

#6 Posted by Grimoire (566 posts) - - Show Bio

@grimoire said:

Did you not read the initial post? I said a concussive force can work in space if there are components of the blast that involve light or other kinds of electromagnetic radiation, (Gamma being one of the most powerful of all known radiation types.) those components will travel through the vacuum of space but not have as much concussive impact that earth-bound waves would have.

I admit this is theoretical mind you but it is possible. Just repeating there is no air is what was in dispute so I added the theory to explain it. You are right about Lightning but its not a radiation type like Gamma radiation which has been used to explain many of the Hulk incredible feats over the years.

Doesn't change anything. Gamma radiation is energy not matter. Matter is necessary to propel matter in that vacuum. And WWH has never done any such thing. You must stick with the incarnation of the character provided.

Gamma radiation is so powerful that it is capable of creating matter which was used to explain the added size of the Hulk to begin with.

Here is short fun video explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxv2mt0EjVw

Also WWH produced massive Gamma rays at the end of arc destroying everything in all directions until he told the others to stop him before he broke the world. You should stick to reading the material on the character in question.

@grimoire said:

1. Did you not read the initial post? I said a concussive force can work in space if there are components of the blast that involve light or other kinds of electromagnetic radiation, (Gamma being one of the most powerful of all known radiation types.) those components will travel through the vacuum of space but not have as much concussive impact that earth-bound waves would have.

I admit this is theoretical mind you but it is possible. Just repeating there is no air is what was in dispute so I added the theory to explain it. You are right about Lightning but its not a radiation type like Gamma radiation which has been used to explain many of the Hulk incredible feats over the years.

First off, it's not as though Wonder Woman has to stop and leave him there motionless... She could throw him into space... and when he slowly comes back with his "theoretical" propulsion which he's never used to even fly... She could tie him up at range and throw him again... into the sun. Or into a black hole. Or into New Jersey.

Second, Wonder Woman isn't grabbing Hulk to BFR him... she's lasso'ing him and throwing him or lasso'ing and travel speeding him into space. Both of which render her immune from grip breaking or Hulk stopping her... because the lasso grows at her will and is unbreakable. Worst, even IF Wonder Woman grabbed Hulk and flew him into space Hulk has no reaction speed feats to suggest he could even think a word before already having the momentum to be launched into space...

There IS no argument for Hulk here...

If this battle were "Quicksilver with Class 100 strength and an Adamantium Sword" what do you think the Polls would show? Because Wonder Woman's stats and equipment are VASTLY superior to "Quicksilver with Class 100 strength and an Adamantium Sword". By horrendously large margin...

First off Heroes make up new moves all the time so why could he not think of this move? The question of throwing him into space was asked so I added the Theory and since it is a theory you cannot just say how much speed and mobility off the top of your head it would offer after reading it for the first time. It would have to be used first in the comics.

Secondly the Hulk has broken many things so why could he not break the lasso? His gamma radiation has allowed to do many supposed impossible things and a lasso made by a so called god (They neither see all or know all by a long shot.) would/could be one of them as it is virtually indestructible not absolutely indestructible. There have been times when it broke and fighting a Gamma powered reactor like the Hulk has never happened in DC comics to my knowledge.

There certainly is an argument to be made anyways. Doesn't it seems like all of Wonder Woman's attributes are considered above reproach by the responses shown in this article while World War Hulk's are considered finite and cannot change.

Both are exceptional heroes. Wonder Woman happens to be my all time favorite female superhero but saying it would be too easy for her to take out WWH who is also an awesome hero is naive as he is too powerful and smart incarnation of the Hulk imo.

#7 Posted by Grimoire (566 posts) - - Show Bio

@grimoire said:

@blacklegraph : The Hulk has been shown on numerous occasions that he can direct and localize a Thunderclap thus saving people from being killed while in the immediate area of what he needed to use the move on. This could allow to direct his motion.Tying him up and doing it would work if he was a stationary target and not moving. A lot of Wonder Woman's enemies have found there way around the Lasso so why couldn't WWH?

Again, you forgot that there is no air in space. That was the entire point of my reply. Just like if there was lightning in space, there would be no thunder because there is no air to superheat.

Did you not read the initial post? I said a concussive force can work in space if there are components of the blast that involve light or other kinds of electromagnetic radiation, (Gamma being one of the most powerful of all known radiation types.) those components will travel through the vacuum of space but not have as much concussive impact that earth-bound waves would have.

I admit this is theoretical mind you but it is possible. Just repeating there is no air is what was in dispute so I added the theory to explain it. You are right about Lightning but its not a radiation type like Gamma radiation which has been used to explain many of the Hulk incredible feats over the years.

@owie said:

@grimoire said:
@owie said:
I'm not sure it would actually work to give him thrust. But he certainly couldn't maneuver well, if at all, and it would take him out of the battle long enough for me, at least, to consider it BFR. Or, alternately, she could just fly him up into space and toss him into the sun.

I'm not thinking about her throwing him with a lasso, just her arms. The lasso is a whole 'nother option.

@owie : It is indeed theoretical but I was thinking of a concentrated Thunderclap in the opposite direction possibly while in the very outer limit of the atmosphere since WWH does think fast about tactics.

Also Superman tried the fly into space while trying to hold Doomsday and it didn't work at all. Speed wouldn't be a factor in flying as it is known Wonder Woman cannot fly nowhere near as fast as Superman.

Remind me what happened when Superman tried to fly Doomsday into space and why it didn't work? I quickly scanned through my TPB of that and didn't notice anything like that other than a point where he made his spines grow out of his back, which is obviously not relevant here. But I could be missing something. It may be a later version of Doomsday than the arc I have.

WW can't fly as fast as Superman but she can still fly pretty darn fast. I agree it would be somewhat of a risk, he could fight back while flying to some degree. That's probably an example where she'd be better off lassoing him up first.

The thing with the thunder clap is, it's a unidirectional expellation of force, at least as far as I understand it. So it wouldn't move you in any particular direction.

During the Death of Superman arc when he grabbed Doomsday to fly up into the sky but he broke Superman's hold just like the Hulk would do to Wonder Woman. She is strong but he has access to a lot more especially if he see's he needs it going up into the sky.

Also Hulk's gamma power has let him do some crazy physics bending things like grabbing Dr. Doom's shield like it was a solid, crashing through a glass window that should have sent him into another dimension, as well punching through time itself to name a few. lol

#8 Edited by Grimoire (566 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks good.

#9 Posted by Grimoire (566 posts) - - Show Bio

@ostyo said:

@theacidskull: What? You gave this a positive review?! I'm truly shocked. :P

You should be, I'm critical of my hulk readings.

Can't wait to read this.

#10 Edited by Grimoire (566 posts) - - Show Bio
@blacklegraph said:

But there is no air in space for him to make a shockwave from. He would just spin himself around in circles because it's one hand pushing against the other.

Even thinking tactically, there's nothing he can do to prevent WW from tying him up and tossing him. Her speed is much too great for him.

@owie said:
I'm not sure it would actually work to give him thrust. But he certainly couldn't maneuver well, if at all, and it would take him out of the battle long enough for me, at least, to consider it BFR. Or, alternately, she could just fly him up into space and toss him into the sun.

I'm not thinking about her throwing him with a lasso, just her arms. The lasso is a whole 'nother option.

@blacklegraph : The Hulk has been shown on numerous occasions that he can direct and localize a Thunderclap thus saving people from being killed while in the immediate area of what he needed to use the move on. This could allow to direct his motion.Tying him up and doing it would work if he was a stationary target and not moving. A lot of Wonder Woman's enemies have found there way around the Lasso so why couldn't WWH?

@owie : It is indeed theoretical but I was thinking of a concentrated Thunderclap in the opposite direction possibly while in the very outer limit of the atmosphere since WWH does think fast about tactics.

Also Superman tried the fly into space while trying to hold Doomsday and it didn't work at all. Speed wouldn't be a factor in flying as it is known Wonder Woman cannot fly nowhere near as fast as Superman.