Godabed

Magik under the original post takes this fight easily, Although Hope can mimic mutant powers doesn't mean she knows how to use them properly. On the other Hand Magik in Limbo is a god who can't be beaten by anyone on that lineup, hell she can't be beaten in limbo period, unless you bring in some elder gods. She has taken on Mephisto in his own realm.

Magik's sorcery isn't a mutant power and is due to the her soul being taken from her, also studied over decades, Also her spells are most powerful in limbo.This can't be mimiced. Her armor gives her superhuman strength and resistance to damage, her teleportation (could be mimicked) makes her the fastest character on the field, she has been shown using her teleportation instantiously, not to mention her combat skills. She is one of the most capable melee fighters on the roster. Being that Hope had trouble with Dani, i doubt she could take magik in a melee fight. Not to mention Magik has held her own against, Thor, Black Knight, and Captain America. Oh also she can summon a Demon army at will.

Colossus would lose to Magik on purpose all throughout xmen, there has been no force in the comic universe that would ever make him hurt Magik in anyway. It's just Canon, not even a bloodlusted Colossus would hurt her.

@Dex_Starr: The higher tier Asgardian gods yes would be considered cosmic, Odin, Thor, Loki yes. The Eternal as been stated in their stories are not Human, and wield godlike powers that would also put them on a cosmic level, the fact is they are pretty much the heralds for the Celestials. You just said that Nate Grey at that time did not have cosmic powers, at the times he was stronger than most beings in the marvel universe and only recently was he downgraded in power.

You assessment of these people seems completely bias, and you i guess purposely left out onslaught because you knew he was a cosmic level being.

How exactly would Atrocitus exactly get through the armor, any construct he uses against apocalypse would be completely useless, 1. can absorb and manipulate energy 2. can increase his density to an unlimited amount 3. can change his form at a will. 4. can increase his strength to an unknown amount, How exactly would Atrocitus combat him if Apocalypse assaulted him on the astral plane? Does he have telepathic resistance? Exactly how much endurance does he have, because Apocalypse if he's fully powered which I'm i believe he is in this fight, will definitely be able to go the distance where as red lanterns have the whole threat of death from using their powers .

So in conclusion unless Atrocitus is Celestial level, he's not taking apocalypse, especially not easily.
@CitizenBane: Because i'm limited in my responsed on this site i will have to address you nonsense this way. No i'm not saying you have to be a Celestial  to fight Apocalypse but to destroy him with ease as what was claimed would happen, everything in the comics would point to that.  So please don't misinterpret what i'm saying.
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@Godabed said:

@Dex_Starr: The higher tier Asgardian gods yes would be considered cosmic, Odin, Thor, Loki yes. The Eternal as been stated in their stories are not Human, and wield godlike powers that would also put them on a cosmic level, the fact is they are pretty much the heralds for the Celestials. You just said that Nate Grey at that time did not have cosmic powers, at the times he was stronger than most beings in the marvel universe and only recently was he downgraded in power.

You assessment of these people seems completely bias, and you i guess purposely left out onslaught because you knew he was a cosmic level being.

Loki isn't on Thor's level and no where near Odin's level, so if you consider Thor and Odin higher tier gods then Loki wouldn't fit into that bracket. So every one that isn't human and from outer space is considered a cosmic being? Maybe I should of made myself more clear, what I mean is characters of a higher to cosmic tier level such as Herald level beings, would curbstomp Apocalypse easily. I'm not sure if this instance with Sinister happened in Nate's own volume because that was the same volume that Nate was getting manhandled by Holocaust and Cable, if you have another instance then lets see scans or cite and issue.

How exactly would Atrocitus exactly get through the armor, any construct he uses against apocalypse would be completely useless, 1. can absorb and manipulate energy 2. can increase his density to an unlimited amount 3. can change his form at a will. 4. can increase his strength to an unknown amount, How exactly would Atrocitus combat him if Apocalypse assaulted him on the astral plane? Does he have telepathic resistance? Exactly how much endurance does he have, because Apocalypse if he's fully powered which I'm i believe he is in this fight, will definitely be able to go the distance where as red lanterns have the whole threat of death from using their powers .

1. Show Apocalypse being able to do this, and Red Lantern energy is actually energy, it's plasma. See Rage of the Red Lanterns

2. No he can't

3. And that helps him ow

4. Apparently not to a level high enough to fight high tier characters.

Lanterns are protected from any telepathic assault including Astral assaults, as far as endurance goes Red Lanterns regenerate from getting bisected and blown up, not that it matters here because Apocalypse doesn't have the power output to do any damage.

So in conclusion unless Atrocitus is Celestial level, he's not taking apocalypse, especially not easily.

Are you serious with this? You're telling me that you need to be a Celestial level being to beat Apocalypse? No disrespect intended but I think you're infatuation with the character is going overboard, any higher tier character such as a standard Green Lantern would kill Apocalypse in seconds, don't feed people BS by spouting nonsense like Apocalypse being Celestial level. Because you don't have to be even 1/1000000 of a Celestial to kill Apoc with ease.

You assessment of these people seems completely bias, and you i guess purposely left out onslaught because you knew he was a cosmic level being.

I don't even recall him fighting Onslaught but I'm sure it's out of context, and you're calling me bias even though you stated that you have to be Celestial level to beat Apocalypse....give me a break...he's a B list X-men villain, he's barely a planetary threat. Let me guess...you think Apocalypse vs Galactus would be a pretty epic fight amirite?

wow i never knew aquaman could do all of that.

@Dex_Starr: Did you or did you not state that he has fought no "cosmic beings". You don't really have to answer that because it's on the board. If you knew he actually did fight cosmic beings why even state that question? And it's irrelevant what the avengers did, Ikaris in the New Eternals series didn't seem to lack the durability to take a grenade maybe that was when he was human before he realized he was an eternal i don't really know what instance you are referring to, but clearly not the one when Apocalypse actually fought him. Even before currently Mr. Sinister, was able to telepathically overpower Nate grey which was a feat that even Charles couldn't do, and he's pretty much immortal, most people in marvel could not beat in fight, if he didn't decide to leave it. Downplaying the High evo, whatever he's was still cosmic level.

As I stated before Apocalypse was written badly by a lot of people, but this isn't the comics, there isn't any crappy PIS/CIS to go by, you go by the powers and the personality. If this is Apocalypse after the twelve cyclop's body, Atrocitus doesn't even have a chance. If this is pre Apocalyspe twelve saga without jobbing, i still think Apocalypse would come out on top. I don't think Atrocitus energy would do anything to his celestrial armor, and being that pre Apocalypse is actually tucked away inside the armor, i don't really see how Atrocitus is going to hurt his host.

@PhoenixoftheTides: okay i have read this entire thread, and i fail to see your point in posting any of that.

The first two scans were a completely different situation than the other ones, which was explained over and over again and ignored. Storm in the scans explained that she was having problems with her powers due to the lack of atmosphere on the Moon, and she had to concentrate more. That's evident why people keep ignoring that i don't really understand.

The world's apart scan also doesn't apply to an argument for the furies, she had just fought the Dora, Black Panther and his entire army then created a vortex to travel to where scott is and fought the entire minded controlled x-men which she swiped up in a tornado, then fought Scott whom she didn't want to kill but ended up doing so because he made her mad. She would not have tolerated all of that for the Furies, and nor has it been explained exactly how they would get pass the numerous things a bloodlust storm would set on them.

The last scan i also don't understand your point, it's been shown that storm is not immune to electricity but she has a high resistance to be hurt by it, Being have been shown to use their own electricity to knock her out. But again how exactly is she going to get close enough to use a whip. Storm is immune to the weather patterns she creates, also someone posted a scan of her coming back to earth and being vulnerable to the elements. I don't know if you know this but storm can erect a shield around her and multitask and use her power outside the shield. With her wind powers alone any ranged attack they would have would be moot, because she can completely misdirect it.

Also as someone mentioned before due to Storm's connection with the earth she can actually sense Earthquake or the shifting of the plates before they happen, so the whole earthquake thing wouldn't even work even if Storm was in range for Stompa to use it.

I am utterly confused by this. Is Black Panther an avenger i thought he turned it down.

@The Stegman: Um to answer your question he can do a lot things depending on the writer really. But the way i understand his powers is that he has pushed himself beyond mutant evolution being the reason he can do so many things

He does have insane durability where he can't be harm by just any attack, he also has class 100 strenght or more as the wiki described i think lord posted, he does have various energy projectiles, shields, he can transmute, breathe fire, Massive winds that literally destroyed an entire town, His telepathy is powerful enough to counter that of the phoenix or at the least block her out from detecting him (jean grey), teleport, of course manipulate his own molescular structure, and a bunch of other abilities. Also the official book has his stats mostly at 7 he's not a push over at all.

Dex_Starr: You stated that i believe that Apocalypse has not fought cosmic beings that would not be true. He's fought Ikaris one of the eternal and beat him senseless, He' fought on par with Loki, and also the High Evolutionary, classic High evolutionary who took on Galactus, and they were evenly matched and he took on Onslaught and beat down Exodus, and Mr. Sinister (Before you say that He isn't cosmic, Mr. Sinister was able to take over the dreaming celestial and use his powers, Mr. Sinister is badass). So i think you aren't really taking apocalypse seriously as a character because he has been written so badly at times.

Sorry for the bold, something weird is wrong with the button i can't turn it off.