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@laflux said:
@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:
NO MASTER CHIEF?
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He was one of my first choices, but for the most part he's pretty far out of these guys' league right? Tanking atmospheric re-entry and whatnot.
Solid Snake and Punisher aren't super soldiers. Cap and Deathstroke won't be able to protect them. They will die in the first round, maybe Punisher will make it to round 3
That I agree fully, just look at Batman's successful solvings of the Joker's and Riddler's puzzles, you have to be extremely intelligent for doing this, this why I would like to see Batman vs. Holmes and other characters to see how would he be doing in the battle of wits/smarts!
I'm still not sure, though, where to put Batman in these categories.
It isn't just characters like Riddler. Batman deduces and figures out how to beat characters like Starbreaker and Doctor Destiny, high level cosmics and reality warpers. On top of that he was able to figure out that Martian Manhunter was a telepath just by looking at him, and that Amazo was repairing himself with nanites, even Superman was baffled how he knew that without Xray vision. I've read the majority of the origina Holmes novels and he doesn't have reasoning or deductive abilities anywhere near that.
As far as this list goes, Sherlock would probably be the best assuming he isn't that crappy Robert Downey Jr version.
Actually, sherlock is more than enough for his world. If the above mentioned things were in his world, he would have deduced them much faster than anyone else. Well, maybe it's just me, but batman seems to be more of a action-techology figure, but in step-wise deduction and logical reasoning, holmes is more than a match for him.
Yup, anyway, robert downey's version wasn't the sherlock we know. It's not sherlock the detective, but sherlock the entertainer... Though the fight prediction and final, "discovered check, and incidentally, mate.." were cool.. if you forget what Holmes actually is, that is..
For his world, unfortunately Sherlock's world has much lower standards than Batman's world does. If you threw Sherlock into the same situations that Bruce has been in [situations where Bruce used no tech] such as Riddler's puzzles or even deducing characters power set simply by looking at them for 10 seconds. Sherlock would be left baffled and clueless. He's definitely the best on this list but when it comes to logical reasoning and deductive abilities he's severely outclassed by Bruce and the Question.
You need to look at things objectively. I've the majority of the Doyle novels and stories and most of the cases Sherlock figures out, Bruce and the Question would figure out much faster even without the use of tech.
@Shotgun: Can';t believe no one included him, he's closer to Bruce than anyone on this list is
Nah.. Riddler's puzzles would be a joke for him. I agree that batman is better at fighting and creating amazing gadgets, but he never showed a good enough case to match sherlock's first one, even.. There are generally weird villians who use either some weirder gadget or are insane or stronger than superhumans.. not criminal masterminds.. (When I am not comparing to Holmes, I am a Huge fan of batman.) But what makes him cool is his bike, and cloak, and you know.. being Batman. Not the extraordinary reasoning skills that holmes has.
Question, on the other hand seems more the detective type, and has good cases at hand but I still prefer Holmes (This, of course is a personal opinion.)
The problem is, Holmes doesn't have to go against cosmic entities and all that in his world. Otherwise, he would have much more impressive feats. He has gathered about all the knowledge required for his work (come on, who studies how many cigars are in existance?) and does almost all of his work legally. It's not his fault he was born in the wrong times :)
Yeah, sorry but its true.
If you threw Holmes into Riddlers puzzles, Holmes would be absolutely helpless. He doesn't have the expertise, wit or reasoning abilities at that level. If you actually read Batman RIP you would know that from one number and one sentence Batman uncovered an entire conspiracy with the Black Glove covering the Zodiac, Relgion, the Alphabet and Mythology. So much information garnered from one incredibly small detail. Sherlock is out of his league.
What you think makes Batman cool is irrelevant, the fact is that he's shown intuition, and logical reasoning skills that would leave Holmes the equivalent of a child with down syndrome.
No shame in it though, Holmes is still good, but he's just severely outclassed against characters of Batman and the Questions aptitude.
Right, you can speculate on how well Holmes would do if cosmic entities existed in his universe but that's all it is, speculation. I'm using actual facts. And for the record the feats I've mentioned have been with no tech, and with characters that are based on Earth so you can't really use that excuse
Truth is, even Nightwing has shown much better logic and reasoning ability than Holmes has
Nightwing isn't even on the same level as Batman and Question, and just by watching TV in one morning can solve several cases on America's most Wanted, just by watch the show. No tech, no superpowers. Just pure intuition, reasoning and logic.
Characters like Holmes and the rest of the detectives on this list aren't in the same league. No shame in that, they're still very good, but Bruce, Vic, and Dick are objectively better :)
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