Best Comic Book Battles: Black Adam vs Superman

I at least hope this blog can be a reference to Black Adam vs Superman, to see how they're written and what actually happened whenever they fight.

Black Adam and Superman had two fights in comics, the first in DC Comics Presents #49 (1982) which was Pre-Crisis, but in that same story arc he fought Superman and Captain Marvel at the same time, which is pretty bad-ass, the next was in Action Comics #831 (2005) was a more drawn out fight. Either way, in my opinion these fights do not get much mention, so I decided to give some mention.

DC Comics Presents #49 (1982)

I should note that the Shazam characters were designated Earth S whereas the Silver Age/Bronze Age Superman was designated Earth One, regardless Black Adam is on Earth One to which he is already causing mayhem, in this case he is throwing around cars which immediately catches Superman's attention.

After Adam realises he is on Earth One, and explains to Superman how he realised this, it cuts to a fight, to which surprisingly Superman attacks first.

The fight is going back and fourth, yet they are described as evenly matched and that the fight could go on for days. By Superman's own admission, Adam still stands well after Superman's best blow.

We're too evenly matched! - gives insight into how Adam is written in terms of power, sometimes even more powerful

Superman seemingly surrenders, but that's not the end of it, as he spies on Adam holding the Billy Batson of Earth One in his grip. However, that's not the Superman we know and he quickly returns.

Long story short: Shazam does not work for the Billy Batson of Earth One (at the time, Captain Marvel/Billy Batson was Earth S so this was another version, the one on Superman's Earth), Captain Marvel is technically a separate entity but Adam then goes on to fight Superman and Captain Marvel at the same time, but is outsmarted and thus defeated.

Next fight...

Action Comics #831 (2005)

This is the only Post-Crisis fight they had. Superman is a bit hot-headed in this issue and holding back less due to characterization, he is suspicious that Adam has ties with super-villains. He approaches Adam once he spots him.

Next, it seems like Superman is getting ticked off at the mere sight of Black Adam...

Who wears the cape in the city huh?

And...Adam lands the first punch, which rocks Superman hard, by his own admission he hits harder than Captain Marvel, surprisingly Adam does not really seem as angry as many see him other stories.

Superman is sent down but comes right back at him, he lands a hard punch on Adam's chest yet he states on-panel he is not holding back (probably is due to mental blocks).

The fight's not over yet...

The brawl ensues, tearing apart some of the ground.

It ensues further with Adam pleading innocence, until of course Adam's carelessness nearly leaves an innocent dead.

Luckily Superman saves her.

Honestly, Superman seems the aggressor in this fight (which is odd....considering this is Black Adam after all).

And then Superman launches a punch - whether it could have busted a Moon, I don't know but it seems odd considering 81 billion ton force should surely kill innocent people around...

And the fight ends.

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Best Comic Book Battles: Hulk vs Wolverine

There's a blog on Word-Press which lists every fight, yet not give scans, so I decided to buy the issues listed and seelct three of my favourite fights between Hulk and Wolverine, also posting scans, without further due:

The Incredible Hulk #181 (1974)

This is where it all began, and Wolverine's first appearance. Hulk is fighting a Wendigo, to which after Wolverine briefly kicks Hulk and remarks that he needs him for government purposes, they decide to team up on the Wendigo. After defeating the Wendigo, there is an awkward silence.

Eh...not too awkard

After Wolverine decides to attack Hulk, a fight ensues.

Essentially, Hulk is too big, strong and durable for Wolverine to effectively put down but Wolverine is too elusive for Hulk, so basically cat and mouse. They are then put under a spell, but once they regain consciousness, Wolverine turns his head and Hulk knocks him out.

To Wolverine's credit, this was his first appearance.

Doesn't get cheesier than that...

The Incredible Hulk #340 (1988)

14 years later, with a gorier and grittier rematch. After Hulk is rampaging around, Wolverine trails him and recognises him. Initially, Wolverine does hump around him and technically take him out very briefly.

From the seventh scan, Hulk quickly regains unconsciousness. Wolverine is actually able to briefly dance around him but his character prevents him from actually putting Hulk down. His anger gets the better of him and he charges into Hulk, which results in him getting overpowered. Quite an even exchange, but Hulk healed much quicker than Wolverine attempted, which begs to question how effective Wolverine's offensive capabilities really were on this occasion.

The Incredible Hulk #454 (1997)

I should mention this is bone claw Wolverine. He got beat. Soundly, though not knocked out, technically.

The setting for this fight was unique, and the 'tribal' like feel made it more interesting.

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Zack Snyder speaks out on Batman vs Superman 'facing off' and costumes

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a565533/zack-snyder-on-why-batman-is-the-enemy-in-man-of-steel-sequel.html

Director Snyder explained to Forbes that he "subtly" mentioned the idea of Batman facing off against Superman in the film to producers.

He said: "I gotta be honest, it definitely was a thing that… after Man of Steel finished and we started talking about what would be in the next movie, I started subtly mentioning that it would be cool if he faced Batman. In the first meeting, it was like, 'Maybe Batman?'

"Maybe at the end of the second movie, some Kryptonite gets delivered to Bruce Wayne's house or something. Like in a cryptic way, that's the first time we see him. But then, once you say it out loud, right? You're in a story meeting talking about, like, who should [Superman] fight if he fought this giant alien threat Zod who was basically his equal physically, from his planet, fighting on our turf… You know, who to fight next?

"The problem is, once you say it out loud, then it's kind of hard to go back, right? Once you say, 'What about Batman?' then you realise, 'Okay, that's a cool idea. What else?' I mean, what do you say after that?"

He continued: "But I'm not gonna say at all that when I took the job to do Man of Steel that I did it in a subversive way to get to Batman. I really believe that only after contemplating who could face [Superman] did Batman come into the picture."

Snyder also discussed his excitement upon seeing screen tests for the costumes of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, who will be played by Gal Gadot.

"You basically have Batman and Superman — and this is without Ben [Affleck] and Henry [Cavill] in the costumes, but just like the stand-ins, just testing to see what the costumes look like. And you have them standing there and they're standing in the same shot — and then we have Wonder Woman, you know, all three of them in the same shot.

"Even just for a test, you really have to go, 'Wow, that's crazy!' Not only is it the first time that I'm seeing them, it's the first time they've ever existed together on screen in a movie. And that's kind of a huge deal.

"Even just Batman and Superman standing next to each other… [I]t's kind of epic. You do sort of sense the weight of the pop culture iconography jumping out of its skin when you're standing there looking at the two of them and Wonder Woman. It's crazy. But it's fun. I mean, I have the first photo, I've got it in my archive because I was like, "Okay, I better keep this, it's gonna be worth something," [laughs]!"

When asked about when fans might expect to see the suits for the first time, he added: "Unfortunately, I don't even know the timeline… Because the movie takes place so far from now, it's hard to know exactly. That all gets tied to marketing and strategies for the movie.

"It's not just a free-for-all, which I'd love it to be. Because I take a picture of the suit with my camera– I'm actually staring at one right now in my office. And it's just massive on my wall in my office and it's epic, let me tell you!"

Interesting because he's mentioned 'kryptonite', which I thought didn't exist in that universe.

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Zack Snyder speaks out on Batman vs Superman 'facing off' and costumes

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a565533/zack-snyder-on-why-batman-is-the-enemy-in-man-of-steel-sequel.html

Director Snyder explained to Forbes that he "subtly" mentioned the idea of Batman facing off against Superman in the film to producers.

He said: "I gotta be honest, it definitely was a thing that… after Man of Steel finished and we started talking about what would be in the next movie, I started subtly mentioning that it would be cool if he faced Batman. In the first meeting, it was like, 'Maybe Batman?'

"Maybe at the end of the second movie, some Kryptonite gets delivered to Bruce Wayne's house or something. Like in a cryptic way, that's the first time we see him. But then, once you say it out loud, right? You're in a story meeting talking about, like, who should [Superman] fight if he fought this giant alien threat Zod who was basically his equal physically, from his planet, fighting on our turf… You know, who to fight next?

"The problem is, once you say it out loud, then it's kind of hard to go back, right? Once you say, 'What about Batman?' then you realise, 'Okay, that's a cool idea. What else?' I mean, what do you say after that?"

He continued: "But I'm not gonna say at all that when I took the job to do Man of Steel that I did it in a subversive way to get to Batman. I really believe that only after contemplating who could face [Superman] did Batman come into the picture."

Snyder also discussed his excitement upon seeing screen tests for the costumes of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, who will be played by Gal Gadot.

"You basically have Batman and Superman — and this is without Ben [Affleck] and Henry [Cavill] in the costumes, but just like the stand-ins, just testing to see what the costumes look like. And you have them standing there and they're standing in the same shot — and then we have Wonder Woman, you know, all three of them in the same shot.

"Even just for a test, you really have to go, 'Wow, that's crazy!' Not only is it the first time that I'm seeing them, it's the first time they've ever existed together on screen in a movie. And that's kind of a huge deal.

"Even just Batman and Superman standing next to each other… [I]t's kind of epic. You do sort of sense the weight of the pop culture iconography jumping out of its skin when you're standing there looking at the two of them and Wonder Woman. It's crazy. But it's fun. I mean, I have the first photo, I've got it in my archive because I was like, "Okay, I better keep this, it's gonna be worth something," [laughs]!"

When asked about when fans might expect to see the suits for the first time, he added: "Unfortunately, I don't even know the timeline… Because the movie takes place so far from now, it's hard to know exactly. That all gets tied to marketing and strategies for the movie.

"It's not just a free-for-all, which I'd love it to be. Because I take a picture of the suit with my camera– I'm actually staring at one right now in my office. And it's just massive on my wall in my office and it's epic, let me tell you!"

Interesting because he's mentioned 'kryptonite', which I thought didn't exist in that universe.

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Zack Snyder speaks out on Batman vs Superman 'facing off' and costumes

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a565533/zack-snyder-on-why-batman-is-the-enemy-in-man-of-steel-sequel.html

Director Snyder explained to Forbes that he "subtly" mentioned the idea of Batman facing off against Superman in the film to producers.

He said: "I gotta be honest, it definitely was a thing that… after Man of Steel finished and we started talking about what would be in the next movie, I started subtly mentioning that it would be cool if he faced Batman. In the first meeting, it was like, 'Maybe Batman?'

"Maybe at the end of the second movie, some Kryptonite gets delivered to Bruce Wayne's house or something. Like in a cryptic way, that's the first time we see him. But then, once you say it out loud, right? You're in a story meeting talking about, like, who should [Superman] fight if he fought this giant alien threat Zod who was basically his equal physically, from his planet, fighting on our turf… You know, who to fight next?

"The problem is, once you say it out loud, then it's kind of hard to go back, right? Once you say, 'What about Batman?' then you realise, 'Okay, that's a cool idea. What else?' I mean, what do you say after that?"

He continued: "But I'm not gonna say at all that when I took the job to do Man of Steel that I did it in a subversive way to get to Batman. I really believe that only after contemplating who could face [Superman] did Batman come into the picture."

Snyder also discussed his excitement upon seeing screen tests for the costumes of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, who will be played by Gal Gadot.

"You basically have Batman and Superman — and this is without Ben [Affleck] and Henry [Cavill] in the costumes, but just like the stand-ins, just testing to see what the costumes look like. And you have them standing there and they're standing in the same shot — and then we have Wonder Woman, you know, all three of them in the same shot.

"Even just for a test, you really have to go, 'Wow, that's crazy!' Not only is it the first time that I'm seeing them, it's the first time they've ever existed together on screen in a movie. And that's kind of a huge deal.

"Even just Batman and Superman standing next to each other… [I]t's kind of epic. You do sort of sense the weight of the pop culture iconography jumping out of its skin when you're standing there looking at the two of them and Wonder Woman. It's crazy. But it's fun. I mean, I have the first photo, I've got it in my archive because I was like, "Okay, I better keep this, it's gonna be worth something," [laughs]!"

When asked about when fans might expect to see the suits for the first time, he added: "Unfortunately, I don't even know the timeline… Because the movie takes place so far from now, it's hard to know exactly. That all gets tied to marketing and strategies for the movie.

"It's not just a free-for-all, which I'd love it to be. Because I take a picture of the suit with my camera– I'm actually staring at one right now in my office. And it's just massive on my wall in my office and it's epic, let me tell you!"

Interesting because he's mentioned 'kryptonite', which I thought didn't exist in that universe.

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Are these Batman's greatest years?

I've been thinking about this. The Dark Knight trilogy is critically acclaimed (the latter two being more) and received numerous awards and were ranked as some of the greatest films in contemporary years. Batman's popularity has sky-rocketed, his story-telling has been fantastic with the likes of Morrison in recent years, he retained much of his pre-Flashpoint solo titles canon and he has stole much of the limelight from the Batman vs Superman film.

Can it get any better?

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My theory on Earth 2's fate

I have a theory on it's fate.

My theory is that Earth 2 is going to eventually get destroyed and the remaining heroes (Jay Garrick, Dr. Fate, Alan Scott, etc) will all somehow migrate to Prime-Earth (the main New-52 Universe) - like Power Girl and Huntress have. From there, they will form the JSA on Prime-Earth and will interract with Power-Girl and others.

Thoughts on this theory? Your own theories? Curious to see Earth 2's fate.

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Have Superman and Wonder Woman switched roles?

Pre-52, I felt Wonder Woman was more aggressive than Superman and Superman was the calmer one. I do not feel this anymore - New-52 wise, I feel Superman is more aggressive like the earlier versions of the GA Superman and Wonder Woman is the calmer one (they've also looked more at her nurturing side).

Thoughts?

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How would Superman actually appeal to a modern audience?

Let's face it. Superman isn't really seen as cool, yet other characters like Batman are. But, why is this? I'd wager my entire life-savings that The Dark Knight Returns helped to some extent and then The Dark Knight trilogy boosted Batman's popularity. But, what can be done to Superman to make him cool?

Maybe make him grittier?

KC Superman proved to be a grittier portrayal of the character, he still wore his underwear on the outside yet it was still a serious story. This version of Superman had been shaped by the events of destruction and chaos. Kingdom Come proved to be a popular story and was instantly regarded as a classic, some regard it as the greatest Superman story ever.

Make him hold back less?

Superman is constantly holding back. It's a fact, maybe too much as times. So, why not loosen his morals? I feel that his morals heavily restrict his character, we get that he was raised on Earth but he needs to let go a bit more. When holding back, he struggles, but when he lets go we see a true warrior. Maybe this will appeal to a younger audience?

Superman actually didn't win this fight, but physically he was creaming Darkseid. We need to see more of this.

Take away some of his powers?

Some of my friends, who have no knowledge on Comics whatsoever complain that Superman has too many powers. There is no point arguing with them, but if it really will help, maybe his power-set should be altered to something similar of Captain Marvel. That'd atleast make things simpler, one could argue that Superman doesn't use his powers but sometimes there is just no point.

These are just a few methods. I'm sure their are plenty more, but this is just my opinion. Be sure to mention others:

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How I would do the Batman reboot

Let's face it. Batman is being rebooted, possibly as early as 2015/2016, so the reboot is inevitable. While I loved Nolan's Batman movies and truly consider them to be the greatest comic-book movies around, the reboot must be different. For the reboot to contend with Nolan's trilogy (let's face it, they will get compared), the reboot has to differ from the previous incarnations. I'm not going into detail about who should play who, but the tone and themes that should be used. From my point of view:

Let's have the classic costume

I've seen Batman's costume in the movies. It's just fancy, black armor, while Bale's costume did look incredibly cool, it's time for a change. The new-52 has removed his ''underwear'', so if the movie is going to take inspiration from the comics, let's take inspiration from the comics.

We've seen the armor, but let's try something different and closer to the comics. Fan-films such as City of Scars and Batman Dead End have shown to us that the classic costume can work, in a gritty way. Alex Ross has great emphasis on his costume, but sometimes for a comic book movie adaption to be truly great, it has to be very much like the comic, this doesn't always apply. But Watchmen was exactly like it's comic-book counterpart, yet it still got raving reviews. So the next time we see Batman on the silver-screen (which won't be long), let's have a classic costume being used.

We don't want a rookie!

I'm sick and tired of origin stories. It's over-done now. Simple as that. Let's see Batman already 5 years into his war on crime, an experienced Batman that knows what he's doing. He is already a force to be reckoned with and has already established himself in Gotham, it adds to the Batman legend. I'm sick and tired of seeing a character that is ''lost'' or ''finding who he is'', let's have an experienced and established Batman.

We're not idiots. Everyone knows who Batman is, they also know and his origin story and most know his rogues gallery. Just get to it already, that's not too much to ask, is it?

Make it violent

Not heads exploding everywhere. But this is a violent, corrupt City, it's not nice. Let's see a Batman that can genuinely kick anyone's ass, someone who doesn't struggle with street-level thugs.

The Dark Knight Returns used violence as a major theme. That's actually one of the reasons, believe it or not, that it was so popular at the time. Violence can be over-done so many times, but I want a Batman that can beat the living crap out of someone. A Batman that is a pure bad-ass, a force to be reckoned with. I want a Batman that knows kung-fu, who is a master at fighting. Nolan's movies did good with the

Make Batman a detective

Is it so much to ask, that we can see a Batman that is a genius? A Batman that interrogates others, finds information and uses it. That's a Batman that is smart, that isn't just a fighter, but someone who is the overall package.

Let's have more gadgets

Bruce Wayne is a billionaire. Is he really going to spend all his time learning how to fight? Of course not! He should be using his money to be the latest technology that money can buy. The Dark Knight showed some good gadgets but not much, it's sequel only had one gadget - an EMP device. So let's see Batman being a gadget-intellect as well as being a Detective/Fighter.

Don't give him a stupid voice

Bale was the best Batman in my opinion, but his voice was ridiculous at times. We can't have Conroy either, as much as I'd love it, his voice wouldn't fit in a live action film. I'd prefer something like Michael Ironside, along the lines of a voice like that:

^ That's a suitable voice for a live action film. Something which sounds bad-ass and tough, I think a voice like that can work. Conroy is the best Batman voice, but he isn't live action material.

Stray away from realism

We've seen a somewhat realistic Batman. Realism worked well for Batman, but let's have one that can pull of silly feats like Captain America did in The Avengers. But not too silly like Batman and Robin, 65% unrealistic is good enough for me. I want to see a Batman that has crazy yet cool feats.

Don't use a used villain

I guess The Joker may be the only exception. But he should come later on in the series, in the reboot movie, I'd like someone like Hugo Strange, not someone like Mr Freeze who would flat out, fail.

Those are my thoughts really...add you're own too.

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