Frobin

Ok, I know ... to demand something even close to continuity is so very old-fashioned nowadays (and DC doesn't care at all, though I'm pretty sure they will regret it sooner or later). BUT at least a little bit coherence at least in this new 52verse would be nice.

Since Darkseid attacked Earth and the Justice League fought him back (to his dimension) ... as we can assume, he's not from Earth and not really of this universe (more from some kind of New Gods dimension). He enters this world through Boom Tubes ... since Cyborg merged with the Motherbox technology, he can control these Boom Tubes ... they won, because he closed the Boom Tube (and therefore the supply and entrance to Earth). I assume Cyborg still controls the Boom Tubes to Earth or at least would recognize any Boom Tube near.

So - if the origin of this Orion is still related to Darkseid and the New Gods (and not totally like the senseless shells of Wildstorm characters) - HOW can Orion be on Earth? How he got here? Why would he just be around?

It's totally senseless in my opinion. Or did I miss something (since I don't read Wonder Woman).

Anybody has answers to this?

This final really sucked!

It wasn't even a finale ... the Governor story arc isn't closed, but Woodburry is gone. The whole season built suspense for a big action showdown that wasn't delivered!

Funny thing is that the writers of a show sacrificed their own story developement to (very slowly) lead into NOTHING. Why? Because in a show that shows death and brutality everywhere as well as leaving (almost) no character save, they didn't 't want to give the audience an "usual" (means: brutal & bloody) showdown (rather an "unusual" A-team shooting and an Andrea goodbye drama, but leaving the Bad Guy conclusion open) ... WTF? For what?

If they don't wanted an "usual" showdown, then they maybe should have written a totally different season without building expectations for a big showdown and let suspense going nowhere! They sacrificed the story to their selfish desire of being unusual writers not conforming to viewers expectations... in this case, I think, fulfilling (built) expectation would have done a better job!

The Walking Dead becoming the new LOST!?

The Walking Dead started as an amazing show with both fulminant action and (enough time for) great characterization ... not to forget the thrilling cliffhangers of season 1 (and even 2).

Then season 2 came. And the writers took very much time for characterization of the group and new characters. It was good, well written and ok to built something ... therefore season 2 was accepted for being much more slowly.

Then season 3 started really great. And again I totally accepted the time taken for character development (Michonne, The Governor, others) and I've seen the time taken for story development, to built suspense ... remember how often episodes were analysed as episodes setting the path for the final showdown.

But there wasn't any delivery! Just expectations and suspense leading into nothing. I don't care about the Governor anymore ... he already lost ... but I wanted to see him go down. If such an justice for the bad guy showdown is bad writing (especially when everything before hints to such an showdown), then almost every Tarantino movie is bad written.

Season 3 had great moments and very well written episodes, but overall and retrospective it's a incomplete season that wasted so much time ... and it owes the audience an action showdown delivery!

If the show goes on like this ... building expectations and suspense without delivering plausible conclusions ... then it will follow the path of shows like LOST: big disappointment because the writers couldn't live up to all the expectations they built before!

I really hope that the show runner has been fired for a reason and that the writers now will remember why the first season created an TV show hit!

Once death of a hero had been used very rarely and so it was really an dramatic event (the first I remember are Legionaire characters: Ferro Boy and Chemical King). Also death of ordinary people were not seen in comic books (though buildings explode and the whole environment got devastated). Now death is totally overused - both death of heroes and death of people (or devastation). It's used to create artificial drama ... coming not from good story telling, but only the death toll. The worst examples of such bad writing is Loeb's ULTIMATUM, but also Fear Itself ... most of all Marvel totally overused it. I would appreciate if death wouldn't be used so inflationary! It would lead to better story telling, I guess.

Not so sure about Kalanor ... there are no clear informations about the location, but it also seems near to Vega System.

Reading the (really great) Starro story arc in R.E.B.E.L.S. I considered it part of the Vega system.

Khundia is very close to Thanagar, which is not part of the Vega system (as well as Rann - which is in the Polaris star system). But Rann also seems to be near the Vega system ... at least Adam Strange appears often related to Vega system stories (though with his Zeta beams he could just travel very quick ... so Rann has not really be close to Vega system. But close to Thanagar ... since they fought a war).

So Khundia is rather not part of the Vega system!

I don't think Malthus, homeplanet of the Guardians, is part of the Vega system ... the Guardians - as an advanced species - just came to the Vega system an experimented with the Psions. And it's the home system of Larfleeze and his Orange Lanterns. But I don't consider Malthus in the Vega system.

No idea where Garon is located. Being part of Vega system is pure speculation.

For sure COLU is not part of the Vega System (though it seems to be near):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colu

Colu is the only inhabitable planet of its solar system and is the fourth planet from its sun.

Totally agreed!

Oh my ... it's almost a little bit pitiful (for Marvel) to use such wording! I mean all these empty promises and superlatives the business (publishers, writers, editors, ...) is using are so annoying.

Translated it means: Ok, after we totally ruined the first Ultimate universe just because the sales were going a little bit down, we now see that we totally and absolutely failed and sales are even worse ... so now we starting over (again because the sales statistic ... now much worse, but now we're used to the low level ... they still aren't as high as we need them to satisfy our shareholders, analysts or who ever).

And a bit all those fanboy sites always jumping on this marketing wagon are partly to blame for the low level of an industry just catching sales peaks instead of steady sales and quality. And of course those who buy every crap they got delivered to their comic shop.

Superheroes are some sort of vigilantes ... they fight for justice and not necessarily for the law. If they would fight for the law, they would be police men, if they would fight for the government they would be soldiers (therefore Marvel's registration act has been such a bad idea). A hero fights for a higher goal, for values shared by the people, for justice ...

An anti-hero even takes the burden to do some illegal or even immoral things to serve justice ... and therefore he walks a thin line between hero and villain.

In cases like Scarlet Witch's NO (should not be blamed, or at least forgiven) ... first, she had been in a very personal emotional stress situation with her kids and then you can do foolish things ... but it's an emotional and mental exceptional situation. You do strange things in such situations, you even ask enemies for help - because you're just desperate and lost. Second, in an exceptional situation (and with bad influence of Doom) she lost control ... predictable in a normal situation and from other people's point of view ... but not from her very desperate point of view.

BUT for example in case of Tony Stark I really see no reason why not to blame him for his crimes during Civil War! He wasn't under control of some strange force - it has been just his megalomania ... he wasn't in an emotional or mental situation caused by his alcoholism ... he did this because of he thought it is right and he cannot be wrong and he has to force the world and the superhero community into his visions. That's pure totalitarism, pure dictatorship ... and he stopped at nothing... he violated human and civil rights and hunted his friends down like villains ... he destroyed lifes just for his megalomanic visions ... that's how crazy dictators act .. that can not be forgiven.

In my opinion

"We know the heroes will always win but a really good writer will make you believe it's possible the hero might actually lose."

True! And I would add: A real good writer will tell you a story of the hero getting in troubles so deep - you can't wait to see if ... but most of all HOW he will get out of this mess again and turn the story around to save the day! It's the HOW that keep's you thrilled for the next issue ...

A weak writer will not open much room for your own fantasy or many options to turn the story around. Bad writing is always foreseeable ... you just know how the hero will get out of this or you are so sure about it that you are not interested in how.