Flamingo117

Alright, alright. I'm here to settle this petty argument.

I recall asking before how you can say powerlevels correlate with speed. The pro-DBZers insisted they were right without actual proof but childish speculation.

But I can actually prove the relationship between power levels and speed have relationship WITH Math. With this, I also prove that SSJ2 Goku is FTL while SSJ Goku isn't. This is a simple proof with no bullshit. Please take your time to read this.

When Goku first started out to cross snake-way, his power level was 334 without his weighted clothes. He crossed 1,000,000 km in 177 days. That means he was traveling at speed 235.404 km/hr.

When he finished training with King Kai, his power level was 9,000. He crossed 1,000,000 km in 2 days. He traveled at speed 20,833.33 km/hr.

Now = 334 : 235.404 km/hr to

9,000 : 20,833.33 km/hr

When you divide 9,000 by 334, the multiple is 26.9. If speed and power level have a linear correlation, their division should also yield the same 26.9. BUT IT DOESN'T! The division of the speed results in 88.5.

This means that every power level increase by 1 increases speed by 2.42 km/hr. This is even BETTER than a linear relationship between speed and power level.

And we aren't even considering an EXPONENTIAL relationship, which can mean even greater speeds. But let's focus on what we have now.

We can now come up with this equation:

Speed in km/hr given power level = (x - 334)*2.42 given x = power level

SSJ Goku had a power level of 150,000,000 according to the Daizenshu. This means that, according to our equation (plug 150,000,000 into x), he had a speed of 362,999,191.72 km/hr. Speed of light is 1.07925285 × 10^9. Goku is therefore slower than light by a lot.

However, if we take his later forms such as SSJ2/SSJ3 (assuming power level increases by 50x after each SSJ transformation), we are now dealing with an FTL Goku easily. At SSJ2, Goku's speed is now 1.814 x 10^10 km/hr, which is MUCH greater than speed of light.

At SSJ3, his speed is now 9.074 x 10^11 km/hr. You do the math and convert it to miles/sec because my calculator can't do it lol.

@nickzambuto:

But then what is the relationship between ki and speed? Is it a defined relationship?

@nickzambuto:

Well, actually, your formula DOES have a flaw (I'm a DBZ fan, but also a Math geek).

Your premise is that power levels and speed are linearly correlated. What if every thousand power level increase is equal to a speed increase by 1? If you're not exactly sure what the power level to speed ratio/relationship is then you can't really solidly prove Goku is FTL.

Also, the human eye is capable of detecting the smallest flicker in photon movement (light). Any object that is not camouflaged and moving can be detected by the human eye even if only for an instant if that object is traveling less than or equal to the speed of light.

But there are plenty of fights where the Z-fighters themselves could never see Goku moving. This indicates that Goku is FTL

This is obviously assuming we're ignoring Einstein's theories where if one approaches the speed of light, then time slows.

Also, another proof that DBZ characters don't bust planets by hitting their core:

- Piccolo saiyan saga busted the moon. The moon doesn't have a core, or else it would be a planet. The moon is 1/3 the size of the Earth. Via transitive property, characters after the Saiyan saga could easily destroy planets without core busting. Frieza simply failed to blow up Namek because he thought he would be sucked in the explosion and therefore held back.

There's also another way to prove FTL speed. It took the capsule corp spaceship to reach Namek like 6 days. The nearest non-solar system planet is light years away. That means it should at least take a year to reach a planet out of the solar system.

Also, when Bulma first tried out the Namek spaceship with Mr. Popo, she reached Jupiter in an instant. It would take light at least 10 min or so to travel from Earth to Jupiter.

Major DBZ characters HAVE to be faster than spaceships. I refuse to believe they aren't.

Krillin solos. Broly vaporizes them instantly. Think about it! Aizen was jumping with joy for blowing off a hill with a swing of his sword.

Nappa could do the same and more with his 2 fingers.

Broly wins this lol. He's at least a star buster.