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Well it wasnt really the Merged/Professor Hulk, it was essentially the Banner Hulk. Theres no real change in personality from Banner. When he gets separated from his body we see Banner/Ruffalo is his astral form.

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Yeah none of this is real - not even for an alternate cut of the film.

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Yeah i think they got the Kryptonian powerlevels right for these films. Fast but not so fast that they need to use slo-mo all the time, strong and durable enough to be impressive and more or less beyond human ability to stop (hard to nuke him if he was trying to avoid it) but not untouchable or like he would be unable to have a knock down fight without causing major Earthquakes etc.

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#4  Edited By Fifthchild

Me also :-)

Its tough - Superman/Cavill etc got a bit of a raw deal with MOS morphing into Justice League 0.5. OTOH I was hardly a fan of the MOS vision of the character while BvS seemed so curiously indifferent to Superman in general except for everyone elses reactions to his existence. Hes almost like a minor character.

At this point though its hard to say whats going to happen with the DCEU and upcoming films (even JL1) given whats happening with BvS at the Box Office.

This comment made me laugh for a good ten minutes.

@drocta said:

"we have to wait for a good script"

Hasn't stopped you before!

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@dasabi said:

@fifthchild: MCU Hulk showed some pretty clear limits. He was KO'ed after falling from the helicarrier in Avengers, and then by a sucker punch from the Hulkbuster in AoU. He was pinned down and effectively incapacitated by Chitauri sleds until Iron Man nuked the mothership. He also could not break the walls of Iron Man's prison device in AoU and had to tunnel out the bottom instead.

Additionally, his best striking feat against the Leviathan has the context of the Leviathan flying straight into his fist. Under similar circumstances in real life, humans have punched out bears which would not happen without the momentum of the charging bear itself increasing the force of the punch.

I dont see any evidence that he was KOed by falling from the helicarrier - i think its more likely he simply reverted to Banner a la TIH where Banner wakes up in another country. He was KOed in AOU after he shook off the mind control and calmed down when he saw the damage he had done. He was pinned down by the Chitauri. We dont know if he could break the walls of IMs prison because he didnt really try much.

The Hulk busting the Leviathan isnt even really the point. He all but stopped the forward momentum of an object the size of a small building with a punch. Bit of a sidetrack but i find the idea of a human punching out a bear to be utterly unbelievable and i'd be pretty sure thats an urban myth.

At any rate i dont see the idea that the Hulk hasnt been shown to be utterly invincible to change anything i said about how i think Hulk relates to Superman or Doomsday (who is said would win).

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@jashro44 Shouldn't this thread be locked considering that Doomsday is far superior to Hulk in every single way? Doomsday's energy emission disintegrated the entire surface of Stryker Island, that's more than enough to say that Hulk would get knocked out at the least. That alone grants Doomsday an easy win, never mind the fact that Doomsday is far stronger, more than durable enough to take everything Hulk can dish out and not to mention that he's much faster. This isn't a close match.

Meh, i dont see it like that. Superman could take Doomsdays omni-EP and i dont think Superman has been shown as more durable than MCU Hulk. I can see that the general consensus here is otherwise but they react similarly to aircraft fire as seen in MOS/Avengers - thats about as much of a comparison as we can make. At any the idea that Hulk is so far below Superman that one of those EP tantrums would KO him seems unjustified.

Again - i think DD wins - he evolves too easily/quickly - but i think Hulk would be strong and tough enough to give him a fight for a while with the angry/stronger factor keeping him in the game.

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@darkraiden said:

@gxrevolution: I disagree. It was clearly painted as him dying and coming back.

Nah, he was knocked out.

I think it was clearly more than him being merely knocked out but less than him being dead. The latter we know because Superman didnt spring back to life when sunlight hit his body later on when he actually died. The former can be assumed because Superman looked super messed up.

Basically Snyder was recreating DKR yet again where Superman is nuked and turns into a zombie for 5 minutes before being revived by the Sun/Earth.

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@klaus said:

SPOILER BELOW

Team one wins. Superman was pulling a ship roughly the same size (looked bigger) than the Leviathan the Hulk stopped. Superman wasn't even struggling to do it.

He was dragging it across the snow/ice - very different than lifting something or stopping something with a punch. It was a good feat but doesnt really change my opinion of what he is roughly capable of. MCU Hulk seems stronger than movie Superman but its a same ballpark type situation.

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The armor didnt seem like anything beyond a heavy metal suit - perhaps with some power to enable Batman to move normally. It was just enough to allow him to survive Superman roughing him up at the beginning.

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I think Hulk can push him but movie DD isnt going to be taken down by getting punched - unless Hulk went full WB or something crazy theres no win scenario for him here. Hulk would keep pace for a while but DD seems to power up easier.