I can't wait until the Boba spin-off comes out! But I also like the ideas of a Dash Rendar, a Quinlan Vos, and a Kir Kanos spin-off.
Oh I know that. I'm just saying Slade could threaten whatever loved ones Spider-Man has, even if he doesn't know who they are.
@sovereign91001 Aaaaaaaaand we're back to Round 2!
Before I continue countering, I just want to post some scans that prove my point that un-enhanced superheroes/villains can react to bullets after they're fired.
Cassandra Cain clearly dodges bullets after they're fired.
A guy like Deadshot doesn't simply miss like that. The dude's aim is good enough to tag speedsters. And Batman was practically in his face. The only way Batman could have avoided getting shot was if he dodged the bullet itself.
Here's another example that's almost exactly alike:
Both Black Widow and Punisher are shown to be fast enough to react/deflect bullets. And Punisher couldn't even see! He was only lucky that he deflected it.
It's a widely accepted fact that un-enhanced people can dodge bullets (not aim) in the world of comic books.
Actually both of those feats and the one of him tracking Kraven via Spider-Sense were actually in cloth rendition of his Symboite suit, it was gifted to him by Black Cat who liked that look for Spidey more than the classic red and blue (He would don this suit in Back in Black and Grim Hunt- where that Sniper dodge is from).
As for the symboite enhancing his abilities it actually didn't believe it or not, this is one of the more common misconceptions of the symbiote suit (thanks in no part to the 90's era cartoon), it only really gave him unlimited webbing. Venom (Brock) noted this also at a later date, this and a number of other common Spider-Man misconception are in an awesome thread @strider92 made which can be found here (definetly worth a read).
Interesting. Personally, all of that doesn't convince me. None of what he says disproves the fact that the symbiote enhanced his abilities. He just said "Here's where the idea came from and here are some extra abilities it gave him". I'd think that the symbiote would enhance his abilities. Seeing as it enhanced Flash Gordon's strength into the multi-ton range and his speed comparative to Spider-Man's. And Eddie Brock's even moreso. But if you say so...
Before I go further though I'd like to show the sequence of events surronding that bullet dodge as I came across the scans during my scan hunting.
Pretty brutal stuff.
Now there are a few things about the scan itself that make it more impressive than a normal bullet dodge. One it's a rarity for a comic to give us exact numbers to work with so I'll get to do something I don't get to do too often in a comic debate: provide solid, concrete data.
Let's start with the speed of the bullet, now bear with me for a second but the velocity of the Sniper round was 4000 fps (that's a fast round, by comparison the Barret .50 cal Sniper rifle's round is ~2800 fps). It's not the normal pistol (usually subsonic) or even Assault Rifle ( The AK-47 has a muzzle velocity of 2,350 fps) that you see most bullet timers dodging, that round is on a whole different level. Now for compairson the Uzi (the sub machine gun Slade has in this battle) has a muzzle velocity of 894.70 fps so the Uzi's bullets are 4.47 times slower than what Spidey is shown capable of dodging.
Two using the numbers provided in this scan and what we know about Spider-Man's reflexes we can calculate a few things (I'm putting on my math hat for this one) The distance between where Spidey was and where Alyosha took his shot looks to be ~20 feet, so we have the speed and the distance... from there it's a simple matter of plugging the numbers in. We take the distance: 20 feet and divided it by the speed 4000 feet per second and that'll give us the time (time equals distance divided by speed) it took for the round to travel that distance: 0.005 or five thousandths of a second or 5 miliseconds.
Human reactions can fire at a maximum speed of about a quarter of a second or .25 and you divided that by Spider-Man's maximum of 40 and you get 0.00625 or six hundred and twenty-five thousandths of a second. so you then take the speed of the scan .005 and divide it by his maximum window of 0.00625 and you should get 0.8 or 80% So in that scan Spider-Man is only moving 80% of his maximum possible reaction speed (from 20 feet). So from 20 feet out Spider-Man's maximum possible reactable speed is 4,800 fps or 3272.72 mph (Mach 4.26) that's closing in on the hypersonic barrier (Mach 5). That number will obviously increase as the distance is pushed outward. And if all that weren't impressive enough that's not all that's going on in that scan.
Three: Everything else. Now in the Grim Hunt Story line if your not familar with it Peter is out for blood, this speaks to the increase in reactions that I mean in the bloodlusted state, Not only is he dodging a bullet going over three times the speed of sound in the middle of a fight, but he's getting the drop on his foes (both of whom have enhanced reactions comparable to Kraven The Hunter, a foe who reguarly tussles with Spidey) before they even realize he's there and he's only using 80% of his speed from that range... this shows not only what Peter is capable off when he's not holding back but just how much he holds back normally. So let's go onto some more scans that just illustrate further what I mean about Spidey's speed level:
Wow! Let me just say this be-a-eutiful! Honestly I don't think I could have done math like this. Really you have no idea what a relief it is to debate against somebody who actually takes time to do the math instead of just making up random numbers in hopes of making their character look better. I'm not saying those people are bad debaters. They're great debaters. But you sir. You are superb!
BUT. You. Made. One. Very. Big. Mistake. In. Doing. This.
You've just proven that Spider-Man's maximum reaction speed is Mach 5. I've proven why Deathstroke's reaction speed is above Mach 8. Without Nth Metal Armor. Read what I posted to CadenceV2 at the top of the page again.
Indeed Spider-Man is a very agile and jumpy character. But Slade has stomped people who are more agile and jumpy than he is.
Nightwing, DC's greatest acrobat, has nothing on Slade. Now, comparing Nightwing to Spider-Man is of course silly. I'm just proving that Slade has no weakness to acrobatic characters.
Those are just some general feats let's get some against some of the named characters of the MU.
Only fair if I do the same.
Making a joke out of 15 members of the Teen Titans is by far more impressive than making a joke out of 6 members of the X-Men dontchya think? :)
Gives a beating to Lex Luthor in his Warsuit. You know? The suit that was designed to trade blows with Superman?
Owns the mother friggin Batman like nothing.
You probably can't read it, but Oliver pretty much admits if Slade was really trying he could have killed him.
Gives the JLA a run for their money. Note: I completely acknowledge that what happened with Flash was PIS and with Green Lantern, CIS.
Gives Terra, an earthbender, a hard time.
Could have killed both Green Arrow and Black Canary if he wasn't toying with them.
I'll have to ask @esquire for clarification but it's been in my experience that these battles (unless specified) take place in neutral Universe's and as 1.) Peter and Slade are from different Universe's and 2.) Peter has full knowledge on Slade's abilities and knows he has no way of travelling to his Universe that become little more than an idle threat on Slade's part. And let's say that he did get him upset it's an interesting thing but Peter has generally shown when he's angry or under emotional stress to fight more competently than when he's not, he cuts the wisecracks and starts doing stuff like what you saw in the Grim Hunt scans and this:
So in the immortal words of Bill Bixby: "You won't like me when I'm angry." So fighting an angry or emotionally stressed Peter is probably the worst case scenario for Slade.
Well, if they got to a neutral universe from their own universes, chances are decent they could get to another universe as well. And I was just using Slade threatening his family as an example. If there really was no way to get to the Marvel Universe, there'd be no point in threatening them. I agree. Thus, Slade wouldn't do so.
I still disagree. I'm not saying that Spider-Man would be completely incompetent in his angry state. But he's liable to make sloppy mistakes. In response to the scans: firstly, half of them isn't even showing him fighting at all. It's just showing him pushing his limits in terms of strength. And even the other ones are more or less "fights" seeing how he sneaks up on them. But even then, none of those people are as skilled and as knowledgeable in fighting as Slade is. They wouldn't have been able to expose any sloppy mistakes.
Well assuming this is all possible and Logan is out of the equation (In my next post I'm gonna show why he's not) Spidey can leap pretty dang far and the further out Boba is the less effective he's gonna be at doing anything in this battle by giving Spidey more time to react to his shots and given Spidey's reflexes, how long is he gonna float their shooting at a target who knows where he's going to fire before his finger even squeezes the trigger, not to mention Slade is in CQC with Spidey so now you've split his attention avoiding friendly fire (he's gonna need it all as it is to have any hope of besting Peter) and Spidey is definetly savy enough to use Boba's cover fire against Slade he's done things like that before here's an example.
Oh I agree Boba isn't tagging Spider-Man any time soon with a blaster. The blaster fire is only meant to keep him more occupied and distracted to give Slade an even bigger advantage.
And that's the difference between Slade and Peter. Slade is a trained and skilled soldier. The dude is a WWII vet. The guy is trained not to get distracted by gunfire and explosions and suchlike. Peter isn't.
As for the jump, jets are faster than leaps my friend.
They've been used twice: Once by Spider-Man against Hydroman and again by the Sinister Six (Ock stole and replicated the tech in the cryo cubes) against Captain America, Froze him solid.I'd hesitate to say it's a feat for Peter (if only by technicality) but it's not a stretch to say they'd work the same way.
I actually don't have a scan for that but if memory serves that happened in ASM 683 or 684. It was during the Ends Of The Earth saga.
Ah. So I see. However the effects of the cyro cubes aren't instantaneous. He's not completely frozen as soon as it hits. Boba has a flamethrower and a blaster to save him from getting completely frozen. In fact, he's done something a little similar before.
And Boba's armor is blaster proof. So shooting himself in the chest is totally an option.
(Read both rows from right to left)
Also, don't the cyro cubes have to puncture the target? That seems to be the case. If so, the cyro cubes would just bounce right off and have no effect.
Now before I close this out I want to revisit Slade's armor, unless the armor has exceptionally high kinetic dampening abilities if Peter puts his weight behind a punch against Slade, there is nothing anchoring Slade to the structure, he may not penetrate the armor but the physics of Slade's Mass versus the force of a 10+ ton punch should easily overcome whatever inertia Slade has. He'll go sailing off the structure and down into the oblivion off the BFR zone and if Boba tries to retrieve him he's only going to: 1.) Open himself up to getting BFR'd by Spidey as well. 2.) He'll have to overcome the inertia Spidey's punch generated to even stop Slade's flight and from what I've seen thus far I'm highly doubtful his jetpack can generate the required thrust. 3.) Catch up with the flying Slade (what's the speed limit on that jetpack?)
And on that note I'm gonna say... that's it for this one. Part two should be up tonight or tomorrow so just hold tight and thanks for your patience.
Well firstly, none of that matters since Spider-Man isn't fast enough to hit Slade in the first place as you so expertly proved. Secondly, that armor has did a pretty good job against the likes of New-52 Lobo. And although Lobo isn't even close to what Pre-52 Lobo was, I think it's reasonable to say that he's still quite a brawler. And thirdly, Boba can still save him. Boba's jetpack goes 90 mph, and not even a direct impact of a missile hardly sends Boba Fett an inch.
He should be able to catch Slade just fine. And Boba can also send Peter a missile to keep him occupied. Boba is one intelligent and tactical dude. It's one of the reasons why he's the best bounty hunter in the massive universe of Star Wars.
Phew! Ok I'm gonna stop here. I'll get on Part 3 as soon as I can. I sincerely apologize for the wait. I've been really busy lately with track, a cold, the school year ending, etc. but I'm really going to try to get this done soon!
@floopay: Indeed he is, as I already mentioned. I also mentioned Data's super hearing and Durge's heartbeat sensory.
And I believe Alpha has a soul, despite him being a clone. But you are correct in saying that Data (@omgomgwtfwtf) doesn't have a soul. He is an artificial life form made programmed with a multitude of algorithms and made out of metals and electronic parts. He is essentially a living computer in the form of a man. He has no soul. Thus Maka nor Soul will be able to detect him. Nor will they be able to use Adagio of Soul or Soul Hack on him.
And time abilities? Are those even legal?
Everything people need to know about Data is right here: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/fetts/blog/the-ultimate-lt-commander-data-respect-thread/87237/
Feel free to comment :)
I'll post more later about the rest of my team later. I'd also like to wait for everybody to give overviews on their characters too before I make a strategy and whatnot.
Well, I can't speak for Floopay's team, but I will also tell you how my team will detect your team immediately.
I have two detectors on my team:
All Starfleet officers almost always carry a tricorder with them. The tricorder has many uses and does much more than detect the presence of people. It can detect anything and display biological, geographical, and even meteorological measurements. Tricorders have a range of several kilometers.
He also has super hearing.
-Taken from my very own Data Respect Thread (http://www.comicvine.com/profile/fetts/blog/the-ultimate-lt-commander-data-respect-thread/87237/)
"Lastly, Data has super hearing. In the episode, "Cause and Effect", Data could determine that he was hearing over one thousand voices (all speaking at the same time) and that they were all the voices of the Enterprise crew. In the episode, The Schizoid Man, Data could hear Picard's footsteps from about 10-15 ft. away, even though the viewer cannot hear hear his footsteps."
And another super-hearing feat I've stumbled on recently is that Data detected hundreds of different animal cries all throughout the Enterprise (TNG: Genesis).
Durge has the ability to sense heartbeats. It's range is two hundred meters.
I love Oliver, but I think Bruce is just better overall. Speed, reflexes, durability, strength, skill, etc. The only thing Ollie might have a slight advantage in is gadgets. Other than that, GA doesn't have much on Bruce.
@sovereign91001: Alrighty then. Let us end this, villainous cretin! FOR ASGARD!
Just so you know, I'm sick right now and I don't plan on staying up late at nights doing this. So I'm going to split my last rebuttal in 2-3 (maybe 4) parts. So if you plan on responding, wait until I'm done. Thanks :)
That's just it they don't actually Cap's top feat's don't come close to Spideys and that fight you posted (with the Iron Spider Armor no less!) CIS was in full effect, Spidey admitted that he didn't even want to fight Cap in that confrontation. I think it's pretty much agreed upon that without CIS or PIS in his way Spidey is a clear step above Cap and DD and heroes of that level take a look at that scan D.D even admits that he doesn't stand a chance against Spidey under normal conditions.
DD, I will wholeheartedly admit shouldn't give Spidey much of a fight. But Cap? He most certainly does!
You posted pictures of him dodging lasers. So can Cap.
It's been stated Spidey's running speed is at about 60 mph. Cap's is around that area too.
Spidey can dodge a hail of bullets at close range. So can Captain America.
Spidey bounces off buildings for a living. Cap has agility like that as well.
You've shown how Spidey can dodge blasts from superhumans above street-level. Cap has too. For example, he's dodged blasts from Enchantress (can't find the scan unfortunately).
I could go on. The point is, I feel like you haven't shown much that absolutely trounces Captain America's speed feats.
I still fail to see what's so unbelievable about superhumans tagging Spidey. Every one of your Spidey-Sense scans is showcasing how it works against the common thugs. Spider-Man, as fast as he is, has been tagged by people for years. I mean take people from his gauntlet for example: Venom (probably the most notable character who has done so), Green Goblin, etc. And many others outside his gauntlet have done it as well. Iron Man, Captain America, Daken, etc.
He's good but he has been tagged many times before, and I find it a little ridiculous calling all of that PIS or CIS when it's been going on for so long. And all based on overviews of his Spidey-Sense that only shows how superb it is against regular criminals. As you've shown, Spidey-Sense is really the core of Peter's reflexes. But you've also posted a picture of Peter's reflexes are forty times faster than the average person's. Impressive no doubt, but that statement also implies that his reflexes does have a limit.
I'm sure you already expect me to say that I think this is unlikely because of the Spider Sense. Well I shan't disappoint :P I think it's unlikely because of the Spider Sense. Even with his experience against Rose this is the one area Slade can't compete in, even if everything else was even between them, this would be the area that gave Peter the advantage. But it's not so that swings (no pun intended) the match further in Peter's favor.
But what I'm saying is that the Spidey-Sense can be faked out. Cap pulled his punch just a little so Spidey could duck and then put more speed into his next one which was already coming up. It's not the first time Spidey Sense has been faked out.
And as I'm sure you know, he gets faceplants into the reinforced window. For some reason parts of the page have been cut off. Thus the dialogue is mixed up.
But here, The tactically-minded Iron Man directs Spider-Man with his projectiles right into the reinforced glass.
And while it's true Rose's precognition is different from Spidey's, I was just saying that they both have precognition, and there powers weren't so enormously different. Both get a sense of the future, and both react to said sense of future.
For all of that Spidey has been able to web bullets out of mid air. I repeat Slade can not avoid his webbing, especially since Spidey can track his movements and whereabouts with his Spider Sense.
As I've already proven, Slade is monumentally faster than bullets. I'm going to tell you the same thing I told Cadence:
Slade is 10x faster than the average bullet-timer. The average bullet speed is around 650 mph. Multiply that by ten. Slade can dodge a projectile moving at 6,500 mph at least. And that's without Nth Metal Armor.
Do you seriously expect me to believe Spider-Man's webs are above Mach 8? It's a little extreme if you ask me.
He may have tagged Murdock with the webs, but I have no reason to believe his reflexes are on that level. You said Daredevil was able to track Quicksilver, Speed Demon, etc. That doesn't necessarily mean he could react to them my friend. Slade has stomped bullet-timers of Daredevil's level like Batman and Nightwing with the upmost of ease on a consistent basis. Another reason why Slade being ten times faster than the average bullet-timer is so consistent.
Even against opponents like The Lizard who has faster reactions than Spidey (and who's gotten faster and stronger over the years) Peter has been able to avoid and dodge attacks from him.
Lizard isn't on Slade's level either.
I'd disagree the required conscious thought Rose must take is a large difference maker and thinking complicates things, brings uncertain variables into the equation, the time she spends thinking is shaving time off her reactions. Precious time she could be using as to counterattack, reposition herself etc. Especially in a combat situation, you'll often hear soldiers talk about how in the heat of battle there isn't time to think, there's only time to fall back on your training and react.
Spider Sense is superior; he not only gets the heads up she does, his body automatically finds the best way to avoid the danger presented, whether that's a dodge or a counter attack to intercept and halt the incoming danger. He does what she does, quicker and more effciently with fewer steps involved... there's a large difference.
You kind of just contradicted yourself in that first paragraph. First you say Rose has to sepnd time thinking. Then you talk how soldiers says "in the heat of battle, there isn't time to think".... O_o
Rose doesn't spend time thinking. Nobody thinks "I'm going to dodge this punch" when it comes. Her precog kicks in, and then her reflexes kick in.
Reflexes: An action that is performed without conscious thought as a response to a stimulus.
Spidey-Sense is a twofold thing. On one side is the precognition alerting him to danger. And on the other side, it's how his body automatically responds with the best way to counter. It's how Spidey reacts to his precog abilities is the only thing that's really different, and not the actual precog itself. I feel like you've been mixing the two into one, and understandably so. They're certainly related, but they're not the same thing. Rose still reacts to her precog the same way Peter does, even though her reflexes aren't of his speed. It's just that she doesn't react with the best way to counter something like Spidey does.
Now needless to say, Spidey is faster than Rose period, and Slade won't be stomping Spidey as hard. But my point is that Slade isn't totally inexperienced with precognition. He's fast enough to counter the rate of speed precognition has. That's the point I was making when I first brought the Rose feat up. Slade isn't going to be moving in slow motion to Peter like some random thug would. He's significantly faster.
So it's not far leap to say given Slade's experience in fighting an opponent with precog. is going to be how he plans to fight Spidey given the knowledge at his disposal. How will that changes when he realizes he's facing not only a superior version of his daughters gift but armed on an opponent who's faster and stronger than he is? If he approaches Spidey thinking he can walk over him like he did Rose he's in for a nasty surprise.
This is what the perk says:
Begin the match with of your foes abilities, traits, powers and potential weaknesses. - 3
Slade knows that Spidey-Sense isn't just precognition. He knows it has a little extra to it. He's not going to use the same strategy he uses with Rose because Rose's power set isn't quite the same.
There is and if you really, really, really, want me too I'll go scan hunting for it.
If it's far more advanced in terms of durability then by all means go ahead. Doesn't matter in the first place though, seeing how this was Symbiote Spider-Man.
No you're right their are outliners (I can think of 1 off the top of my head) but generally speaking, his reaction speed is seen as the cut off between Street Level and Mid Level characters.
Yes. But what I'm saying is that others (like Captain America) come close to be that cut off, and thus they're able to tangle with Spider-Man.
The same could be said in these comics, like 90% of bullet dodges are against nameless faceless mooks or featless "trained" assassins or the like. I mean given how lousy comic book aim is generally I'd say a lot of bullet dodges could be put down to bad aim. But we don't do that we just say "X dodged a bullet!" or "Y dodged automatic gunfire!"
I wouldn't say that at all. It may be true for random terrorists and thugs (and even that's a tad bit of a stretch). But trained soldiers? I don't quite understand what you're basing the statement "given how lousy comic book aim is generally I'd say a lot of bullet dodges could be put down to bad aim" off of. Trained soldiers know how to shoot. Ask anybody that. If you're pitting a real-world peak human against say some terrorist with an assault rifle, then it's a little more likely the terrorist has bad aim, because he doesn't really have any training with guns, and he's aiming at a fast target.
Most bullet-dodging feats are usually close-combat fights. Comic books are fictional. They can make street-levelers dodge bullets because they're supposed to be superheroes. They're written to do stuff nobody else in the real world could do.
That's Mary Jane dodging gunfire, over the years she's done that a few times, she is not a trained martial artist and she's not a bullet timer by any stretch of the imagination but a normal human now before this is labled as plot armor or something else I believe it speaks to the point that I was making that aim dodging (what Slade did) is possible under normal Human reactions.
No. That's a gunner not even aiming down his sights and completely missing her and hitting the car instead. Completely different. Had that been a trained soldier she would have been hit.
But even so, this doesn't change my point. Comparing Mary Jane to Slade is a little ridiculous. How you can be so certain that he dodged aim? What basis do you have? I have one: it's consistent. Slade already being a bullet-timer of Batman's or Nightwing's relative caliber and then having those reflexes enhanced 10 times totally fits with the fact that he stomps trained bullet-timers like nothing and can take on teams of experienced superhumans. Plus, plenty of un-enhanced superheroes dodge bullets (Batman, Nightwing, Black Widow, Hawkeye, etc.). Why not Slade?
Now that may sound like I'm low balling Slade and Batman and all those guys but I'm not. Their reactions (due to their training) seem to operate at a above normal human rate this is not true, the maximum speed Human reactions are capable of firing at is a quarter of a second (1/8th a second to percieve the action and 1/8th a second to fire off the impulse and have the muscles start moving). That ceiling is where Batman, Nightwing, unempowered Slade etc reside. Because of the situation (her adrenaline etc.) MJ's reactions crossed into that ceiling on the other hand trained fighters like Batman can operate at that ceiling level most, if not all of the time because of his training. Mary Jane on the other hand can only (briefly) cross into that level because of stress. But what about when someone like Slade and Bat's get a boost of Adrenaline? Well it may slow their perception, make them stronger etc. But their reflexes will not fire faster than the maximum their body can allow (1/4th of a second) It doesn't matter that Slade or Batman or Nightwing can aim dodge and that Slade is 10x faster than that.
10x faster than the fastest maximum speed a human is capable of is still slower than 40x the maximum of an average human being because the ceiling in both cases (in terms of potential reflexes) is the same (there are other differences but they aren't relative to this debate). So even with all that and his armor and all Slade is still slower than Peter.
Bottom Line: Am I saying because Mary Jane can share a reflex level with Batman she is capable of producing similar feats? Absolutely Not. I am saying that their potential ceilings as two Human beings limited by what their biology can produce is the same, the difference therefore is the training pure and simple. Iam saying though that Slade and Batman's training doesn't magically raise the limits of what their body is capable of producing, they just operate closer to those biological limits.
That's as clear as I can make it.
It's not due to their training it's due to their physicals. Dude, you're comparing real world people to fictional characters. It's really ridiculous. By your logic, a real, single person could go into a room full of thugs armed with AK-47s and take them all out with just their bare hands, a sword, or even a pistol. Marital skill doesn't mean jack squat if you don't have the speed, agility, and reflexes to somehow close the gap that's filled with a hail of bullets to use the training.
Again, real world people can't do the stuff Batman and Nightwing pull off. Real world people can't suddenly vanish right in front of people's eyes like Batman. Real world people can't run and flip around rooftops so effortlessly like Nightwing. MJ didn't get hit because the shooter didn't know how to shoot properly. Not because of her reactions. Street-levelers are written to be above real-world peak human standards. MJ isn't a superhero. Batman is a superhero. Nightwing is a superhero. Deathstroke is a supervillain. Superheroes (and villains) are written to do super things and to have super abilities. Deal with it.
@pierpat: I'd beg to differ. Boba has tanked direct impacts from missiles and received no broken bones.
I sincerely doubt Wolf could do the same. I don't think a double plasma cannon is getting through that.
Not to mention Boba has a jetpack, which would make him a hard target to hit. Cloaking will be useless against Boba since he has infra-red. The wristblades might be enough but those are close-range weapons. Boba has the advantage of long-range weapons and he has the means to keep his distance from Wolf.
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