@lykopis: If you actual read my earlier post as well as others there are circumstance around Professor X and Jean to be able to do it. It is very justifiable to ask for a different example of a telepath with no special circumstances that has been able to penetrate her diamond form.
Xavier and Jean both have. Both are more powerful telepaths than her.
You can continue to say that ALL you want, it doesn't make it true, ESPECIALLY as there were circumstance for Prof X. AND their is an underlying Phoenix Force in Jean. I get that you believe that and don't like story purposes but that is your OPINION, not fact. Others disagree and as many times as you want to post your opinion doesn't change the fact that it is still just your opinion. Can you name one other telepath that has been able to do it??
I believe the only reason Jean can bypass Emma's telepathic immunity in diamond form is because as part of the phoenix, the phoenix force is ALL psionic energy, Emma has her psionic energy in her diamond form and thus allows the part of Jean connected to the phoenix force to be able to reach that energy. I agree with Veitha. Its stated she has complete immunity in many instances and writers often ignore these things for story purposes.
The Force would have given its practitioners the ability to contend with the GL I would think. Not to mention the Sith could possibly turn some over to the dark side and then it would be Sith/GL vs Jedi/GL.
I completely agree with everyone who says that the previous movies should be able to be used in this debate, however, battle forum rules we use the versions the OP states. He specifically states the Last Stand and the Avengers. If he would be so kindly to come in and weigh on this it would probably be very helpful. It should state the Xmen Movies and the Movies leading up to and including the Avengers. Until the Op changes it we have to abide by the current version as stated by the OP. :-( And yes, it would change a lot in this debate. Also, are we using Phoenix Jean or just Jean?? Any help OP would be greatly appreciated.
@YoungJustice: Its a month old battle, not years old that I have seen people bump so I'm not doing anything wrong with posting to this battle. I believe that Emma has had some serious power ups lately and she would give Jean some major trouble. She is extremely strong in her diamond form and can quite possibly handle Jeans TK while being immune to her TP. I agree that we need to know as to what extent her immunity to TP is to decide how that part of the battle goes though. Just because you think its a mismatch doesn't make it so. She took on Thor in her diamond form so I think she could possibly handle Jean's TK and with the endurance factor while in her diamond form she would outlast jean is a fight as well.
As for the search function maybe you should use it as well. The last one that was between ONLY these two women was 4 years ago which were two totally different characters then they are now.
I understand the mods and staff have lives and MAYBE that's why they haven't locked this thread but I have seen some battles locked in 2 days so........maybe they don't agree with you about this being a mismatch.
I 'bumped' this thread because I think its a good battle but after all Emma's power ups wanted to hear some other opinions on it before I posted a full post on it, which is now how the immune to TP comes to light for me.
@pea55: The OP states the xmen movie vs the avengers movie so any other movie is a moot point. People arguing using any other media besides the two movies posted in the OP are wasting the debaters time. i actually like your arguments so please don't lump yourself with the people who cannot debate correctly. You have some very valid points, a lot is speculation because we know what kind of person Jean is and her relationships with the Xmen. I personally think they butchered the entirety of the Phoenix Force with that movie, but that's just me. Just to make sure everyone is aware, when Jean first knocks out Wolverine in the Institutes Lab it was NOT the same disintegration effect as what she is doing in the end. She simply telekinetically throws him into the wall with enough force to knock him out. Then she starts to disintegrate the door before telekinetically thrusting it out of her way.
First, Hulk didn't actually show a healing factor in the movie, he showed his durability. The guns did not blast him apart to heal back, they simply did not penetrate his skin at all. They left their mark of course in black marks and he seemed worn out from them but not 'hurt'. I know the comic Hulk has an immense healing factor, but it didn't really come across in the movie. As for Thor and his 'amazing' FTL speed that he can blitz with his hammer........we all agree that Hulk doesn't have FTL reaction right??? At least the intelligent people know this, yes in the movie Thor throws his hammer at Hulk who catches it. Does that seem faster than light. No. Yes, the comic version can but as someone pointed out this is the movie version. Testing his skill at that lightning strike ya'll are so fond of, just watching the movie it took him several seconds to build up his lightning attack which gives Storm plenty of time to manipulate the weather however she wants. She fires instant lightning, like she does when she is dealing with an actual speedster and electrocutes her. I love the Avengers but Hawkeye and Black widow will go down first. I do think Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man will make it a great epic fight but they will fall to the telepathic onslaught that X and Jean can dish out. Even if its not the Phoenix Jean.
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