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@frozen said:

@erkan12:

There is no ''saving Luke'' amp in Rebels. Its supposed to be read in a thematic sense, not related to power levels. The same ''saving Luke'' Obi loses to Vader in ANH.

That said he stops at OWK Obi, but would beat Rebels Obi.

Director said SWR Kenobi was unbeatable in that moment, I don't see why it should be any different than Twin Amp, as for the ANH, Vader didn't know anything about Luke in that moment, Vader probably thought he was just another smuggler like Han Solo, there was no talk about Luke during the ANH duel, vs. Maul, Maul sensed that Obi-Wan was protecting Luke.

Also, since Yoda is not a darksider, he will be hindered as if he was fighting his former padawans like Dooku or Ahsoka, thats surely a big factor.

@normanale835 said:

He clears.

Maul was tired and weak.

And Vader as Yoda level is an informed attribute.

@dippy said:

Clears. Twin amp is close but still Yoda

Did you consider that Yoda is hindered in this battle since he is fighting his former padawan?

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Its hard to get him superior feats when he can't get his own movie due to Universal studio and Marvel can't agree to make a new movie for him, I guess it would be too much to expect Hulk beating Thor in Thor's own movie, at least we see Thor, despite having 1000 years combat experience and super strength, and reactions, couldn't beat Hulk without using his Lightning amplification and Lightning powers.

As for the Hulkbuster, MCU Hulkbuster is superior version of Comic book version of Hulkbuster, because both Bruce Banner and Tony Stark made that Hulkbuster in MCU, not Tony like the Comic book version, and it was constantly getting repairment from Veronica when Hulk rips it apart and Comic book Hulkbuster doesn't get repairment, so it kind of Bruce Banner beat Hulk not Tony only, still it was a sucker punch when Hulk was ready to stop after Scarlet's spell is broken.

Also M'Baku said Namor is ''potentially'' as strong as Hulk as far as I know, not certainly.

As for Thanos, that was expected since they didn't give Thanos's energy blasts abilities in MCU, instead they made him physically more powerful and more skilled fighter.

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@wolfrazer said:

@erkan12: None of those posts are relevant, this is EU Maul.

Bro, stop the nitpicking and misinformation stuff.

This thread started 11 years ago, LOL. There was no such a thing as not being able to use TV or Movie materials even if its EU, it means everything is allowed since this thread was before the Legends declaration in 2014.

Maul is not a character thats created in EU, its first created in Canon Movie. How are we suppose to use him when EU didn't create him but canon Movies did. Every feat is allowed obviously.

Also, EU / Legends stuff just makes it better for Maul,

Maul kills a Telepath from Black Sun by using his ''telepathic dark thoughts'' with the Force.

Iktotchi Telepath of Black Sun : ''So... Dark...''
Source: Star Wars - Darth Maul #04 (2000)

''Maul's Force abilities; Ok use of Force grip, Force choke and Force lightning.''

---- Source: Star Wars Clone Wars Magazine #13 (2012)

Can use red Force lightning:

Source: Star Wars Episode I - The Phantom Menace Video Game (1999)

Maul one-shotted TCW S4 Kenobi with a Force choke,

Source: The Clone Wars - The Sith Hunters (2012)

And showed a greater dark side knowledge and dark side power than a Force lightning user:

''Mighella attempts to use an energized sword to stop Darth Maul, then surprises him with a burst of Force Lightning. A moment after Mighella realizes her opponent is a Sith Lord with far superior Dark Side knowledge, she is felled by a lethal slash of Maul's lightsaber.''

----Source: The Ultimate Visual Guide (2005)

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/erkan12/blog/darth-maul-respect-thread-legends/136731/

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@warlockmage said:

Malgus has better force feats... even pre prime he had better force feats. Maul might take the edge in sabers it really just depends on how good you think the HoT is.

Maul ragdolled Amped Kenobi, and brought down a Star Destroyer.

Maul: ''Poison?''
JJan: ''A sedative, but enough to drop a Rancor...''

JJan: ''Impossible! The sedative...''
Maul: ''Sedative?! I've the dark side as my ally. The Force is mine to use at will. Your poisons are nothing to me.''
Source: Star Wars Adventures 003 (2021)

Source: The Clone Wars - Season 7 Episode 12 (2020)

Source: The Clone Wars - Season 5 Episode 01 (2012)

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/erkan12/blog/darth-maul-respect-thread-canon/154281/

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@speedforceuser_ said:

@erkan12 said:

@alextheboss said:

It seems like you didn't watch the movie. It only KOd him because it took his powers at the same time, and the chemicals were needed for that.

It's true that Barry is below Zod (not cryptonians as they killed Faora and Name-ek.

This just scales Zod higher, it doesn't downscale Flash (except in his own universe).

Now if you agree with the FTL meta of the MCU, then the Avengers win. Without that they should get blitzed. Thor and Captain Marvel are their only hopes.

Nope you didn't. LOL.

Based on what he wouldn't KOed if not for chemicals? Chemicals only took his powers, it didn't KO him. Flash literally said they can get hurt from bullets same as lightning, and his face scar didn't heal as well.

If Flash getting KOed was unusual, Flash would understand he lost his powers immediately due to getting KOed unusually, he understand that later, not right after he woke up. It means 1 Lightning can KO him, he thought it was usual that he got KOed and wasn't surprised for it.

Also, younger Flash was KOed by 1 Lightning as well despite having powers, that also proves your theory wrong.

Debunked.

@speedforceuser_ said:

@erkan12:

Did you? I watched the movie. He got struck when he stood infront of younger Barry before younger Barry got struck. He also got struck when he got his powers back.

Now, the question is:

what is cap, thor, BP, spiderman, iron man, wanda, strange going to do to a FTL speedster that kills? They don't have FTL feats. The get their head caved in. They get curbed. They can't stop this. Statues don't fight back. What are they going to do against this?

Flash was literally expecting a lightning hitting that point, and he still mess things up LOL. You can't make excuse about this, his ability is not always consistent, he can literally get hit by 1 lightning when he was even waiting for it, and Thor alone can spam AoE lightnings everywhere not only he can pinpoint send lightnings, Flash will make a mistake and he will go down easily.

Thats why they were losing to Kryptonians millions of times, Avengers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krytonians, its not even close.

Avengers stomps.

You're arguing semantics. You did not answer the question--

what is cap, thor, BP, spiderman, iron man, wanda, strange going to do to a FTL speedster that kills? Snailsilver was rocking the avengers jaws and he's not even FTL. Lol. Answer the question. You got........6 mins 43, 42, 41.......

No you said:

''Did you? I watched the movie. He got struck when he stood infront of younger Barry before younger Barry got struck.''

And I said:

''Flash was literally expecting a lightning hitting that point, and he still mess things up LOL. You can't make excuse about this, his ability is not always consistent,''

Thats debunking your argument.

As for your desperate question, that team easily generates much faster attacks than via AoE than 1 single lightning bolt that hit experienced Flash, thats for sure.

I guess you don't know when people accidently hit to a wall or an object when they were running? Speedsters can always accidently hit something while running around, especially against AoE users, especially against a guy that can send Lightning bolts, not even 1 lightning that hit experienced Flash.

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@crunch5481 said:

@erkan12:

The lightning that caught him off guard from behind and took his powers away? Lol

How did that ''caught him off guard'' when Experienced Flash was literally WAITING for that 1 Lightning? LOL.

If Experienced Flash can mess things up when he was literally waiting 1 Lightning bolt to hit and still couldn't dodge, what do you think his chances are vs. a guy who can send pinpoint Lightnings and AoE Lightnings everywhere?

Basically 0.

Thor stomps.

Younger Flash got his powers, and he got KOed by 1 Lightning as well, that's not an excuse for it, they also get hurt by bullets and his face scar didn't even heal.

@ouroborik said:

@americanspeeddemon said:

Flash said he wasn't capable of killing unadapted kryptonians iirc. He can't take down Thor however Flash is ridiculously fast. I think Thor can win if Flash runs out of food.

He said that to the unexperienced Barry-2013 as a pep-talk before personally fighting any Kryptonian himself. It's later clearly shown that he could indeed defeat Kryptonians and even Barry-2013 became capable of doing so.

@erkan12 said:

Its almost like people don't watch the movie :D

Experienced Flash got knocked out by a Lightning, thats how he lost his powers.

Guess who can spam AoE lightnings?

Flash couldn't beat much weaker Kryptonians thats why he tried to change the outcome millions of times still loses everytime.

It's like you didn't watch the movie. Flash got knocked out and lost his powers because he repeated the exact accident that gave them to him in the first place. It's not just any random lightning, it was the same lightning mixed with the same chemicals that connected him to the Speed Force in the first place. Thor is so dumb that the concept of him even figuring out anything related to chemicals in this battle is a joke in and of itself.

@crunch5481 said:

Those Kryptonians were human level, no sunlight.

DCEU Kryptonians get instant powers from being on Earth's gravity. Sunlight is what gives them super-senses and true flight but they are already superhuman the moment they get to a planet that doesn't have crushing gravity. The one who Lois shot punched a hole through her escape pod so there's no doubt they were superhuman.

I don't agree with Rajjar's lowball btw, just clarifying that DCEU Kryptonians don't necessarily need sunlight to be strong.

Experienced Flash was literally waiting for that 1 lightning, and he still got hit by it accidently and couldn't dodge it despite waiting. He has 0 chance vs. a guy who can send pinpoint Lightning from sky and also AoE Lightnings that can cover a large castle, Flash gets stomped by Thor easily.

Younger Flash got his powers and he too was KOed by same 1 Lightning, thats not an excuse. They literally said they can hurt by bullets and Flash's face scar didn't heal.

They couldn't win vs much weaker Kryptonians, they have 0 chance vs Thor.

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@alextheboss said:

It seems like you didn't watch the movie. It only KOd him because it took his powers at the same time, and the chemicals were needed for that.

It's true that Barry is below Zod (not cryptonians as they killed Faora and Name-ek.

This just scales Zod higher, it doesn't downscale Flash (except in his own universe).

Now if you agree with the FTL meta of the MCU, then the Avengers win. Without that they should get blitzed. Thor and Captain Marvel are their only hopes.

Nope you didn't. LOL.

Also, younger Flash was KOed by 1 Lightning as well despite having powers, that also proves your theory wrong.

Debunked.

@speedforceuser_ said:

@erkan12:

Did you? I watched the movie. He got struck when he stood infront of younger Barry before younger Barry got struck. He also got struck when he got his powers back.

Now, the question is:

Thats why they were losing to Kryptonians millions of times, Avengers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krytonians, its not even close.

Avengers stomps.

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@speedforceuser_ said:

@erkan12 said:

@speedforceuser_ said:

@rajjarsalt said:

@speedforceuser_ said:

@officialtopg:

QS got killed by bullets, Flash FTL cracks his head wide open

Inexperienced Barry w/older Barry suit on, didn't know how to use his abilities + he still wasn't killed like QS. Older Barry, drop kicks QS like he did kryptonian after he statued laser from kyrptonian weapon, then phases his chest = common QS L.