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#1 Edited by Equonox (800 posts) - 9 days, 1 hour ago - Show Bio

Don't forget about Chameleon...who was almost undoubtedly the shadowy figure we saw at the end of the first movie...

#2 Edited by Equonox (800 posts) - 13 days, 22 hours ago - Show Bio

Team 7 pretty easily. Huge speed advantage, as well as versatility and overall power. I don't think the FF have an answer to Kamui, Amaterasu, or any genjutsu Kakashi and Sasuke can employ. Given that they're bloodlusted, Kakashi and Sasuke could Kamui and Amaterasu right off the bat and end it pretty much immediately. Sue is the FF's only hope, but her reaction time isn't anywhere near the ninjas'. Naruto could always go nine tails and throw giant rasengans all day should the sharingan techniques fail...

#3 Posted by Equonox (800 posts) - 13 days, 23 hours ago - Show Bio

Fantomex, Domino, Taskmaster are the most sensible ones I can think of. Batman could w/ PIS. I don't think any other DC street-levelers could, so the first 3 ones I mentioned seem the most likely.

#4 Edited by Equonox (800 posts) - 14 days, 19 hours ago - Show Bio

@equonox said:

@czarny_samael666: HOM Wanda is obviously powerful, and her actions are able to affect the omniverse, but she has NEVER exhibited the power to eliminate a universe or destroy it. Case in point: House of M itself, she didn't wipe mutantkind from existence, she depowered them all (save for the 200 that kept their powers). While that's obviously insanely powerful, there's 2 things wrong with your assumption: 1) she still didn't do anything multiversal. Her actions occurred in one universe that implicated the multiverse, in the sense that (as explained by your panel) the multiverse in Marvel terms is a mishmash/collection of universes, so changing one universe would change the collective multiverse on a macro-level, but nothing suggests her actions had any effect on any other individual universe on a micro level. 2) Destroying countless universes w/ ease and being a multiversal/omnitemporal threat VASTLY outweighs being able to alter the characterstics of one universe. You seem to assume Wanda can blink him out of existence - I see no evidence she could do that, especially because she has NEVER depowered, defeated, or altered anyone of remotely equal power as COIE AM. On the other hand, he could easily just annihilate her or anyone else on this Marvel squad by just blowing up the universe they are in. He would survive, being made of anti-matter, and they would all die.

If you want to post more scans trying to prove your point please do, but don't waste my time w/ scans of obvious events we have all read - Wanda being able to depower a ton of mutants and stuff is sick, but she's never tried to do so against a character with more power in himself than the entire universe in which she resides. This might sound like an unfair burden as far as evidence goes, but I simply see it as proof that they simply aren't remotely on the same level.

1.She affected whole Omniverse, so not only multiverse that could be (not all universes are based on 616, only ones that comes as it's future) but also other multiverses. She also released MJJ-616 who was imprisoned out of universe 616 and couldn't escape on his own.

2.According to scan that I've posted, it was all rewritten. So you would rather to have explained, why scan is wrong. http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/56665/1802458-chaos_wave_wanda_mjj_super.jpg

3.Not all. Shuma Gorath would survive, Chaos War Hercules is more powerfull than COIE AM, Rune King Thor is above King Thor who already could stop time.

1) I use multiverse/omniverse interchangably - I agree with you in a sense, my point was that to say she affected the omniverse is different than saying she affected other universes on a micro level. Here's an analogy that better demonstrates my point: if you have a picture with a bunch of different colored circles in it, and you change the color of one circle, both that circle and the whole picture are now different, but the other individual circles haven't changed. That's what I'm getting at w/ Wanda changing the omniverse - the change to HER earth/universe changed the whole grand scheme, but didn't affect other individual universes necessarily. COIE AM straight up destroyed tons and tons of universes with ease.

2) Again, back to my first point - this is a semantic distinction but a big one, and it goes back to my analogy. Yes, the big picture was changed because a part of it was substantially altered, but that doesnt mean each individual universe was affected on a micro level.

3) Shuma Gorath? Since when is he in this fight? In any case - none of those guys you mentioned have feats that put them anywhere near COIE AM (who could travel through time as well, which would counter one's ability to stop time). COIE AM destroyed thousands of universes with ease, none of the guys you mentioned can top that. Stop just asserting one feat or another makes these guys more powerful and make an argument. Destroying a universe means having the power to overcome all other cosmic inertia, magic, and anything else that would oppose him from within that universe which means AM is defacto more powerful than everything in those universes combined. Warping reality and destroying reality are very different, and the latter would require much more power. So, if you are going to just continue to assert that these guys are better because they have XYZ feats, do me a favor and make an argument for why those feats are greater than destroying universes with ease so we can have a debate instead of useless assertions.

#5 Posted by Equonox (800 posts) - 14 days, 21 hours ago - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: HOM Wanda is obviously powerful, and her actions are able to affect the omniverse, but she has NEVER exhibited the power to eliminate a universe or destroy it. Case in point: House of M itself, she didn't wipe mutantkind from existence, she depowered them all (save for the 200 that kept their powers). While that's obviously insanely powerful, there's 2 things wrong with your assumption: 1) she still didn't do anything multiversal. Her actions occurred in one universe that implicated the multiverse, in the sense that (as explained by your panel) the multiverse in Marvel terms is a mishmash/collection of universes, so changing one universe would change the collective multiverse on a macro-level, but nothing suggests her actions had any effect on any other individual universe on a micro level. 2) Destroying countless universes w/ ease and being a multiversal/omnitemporal threat VASTLY outweighs being able to alter the characterstics of one universe. You seem to assume Wanda can blink him out of existence - I see no evidence she could do that, especially because she has NEVER depowered, defeated, or altered anyone of remotely equal power as COIE AM. On the other hand, he could easily just annihilate her or anyone else on this Marvel squad by just blowing up the universe they are in. He would survive, being made of anti-matter, and they would all die.

If you want to post more scans trying to prove your point please do, but don't waste my time w/ scans of obvious events we have all read - Wanda being able to depower a ton of mutants and stuff is sick, but she's never tried to do so against a character with more power in himself than the entire universe in which she resides. This might sound like an unfair burden as far as evidence goes, but I simply see it as proof that they simply aren't remotely on the same level.

Rune King Thor, HoM Scarlet Witch, Chaos War Hercules, Uni-Power Hulk and Sentry vs. COIE Anti-Monitor, Superboy Prime, Cyborg Superman, Kyle Rayner as Parralax, Sinestro and a Manhunter. Not to mention the other ancillary Avengers. This is an interesting fight (if a little opaque in the setup). However The Avengers have two high-grade reality warpers in Herc and Wanda plus the Sentry who bested Molecule Man. COIE Anti-Monitor while formidable didn't warp reality and got beaten down by traditional force.

You have no idea what you are talking about. COIE STARTED with the Anit-Monitor having already wiped out countless universes with ease. It took an extraordinarily amped-up Spectre just to stalemate him at the dawn of time, and even then it required a ton more effort to put him down.

#6 Posted by Equonox (800 posts) - 16 days, 9 minutes ago - Show Bio

@fiodestromus said:

By at their best you mean at their most powerful forms?

Probably yes, which means that it ends in:

Hyperion vs S. Prime,

Sinestro vs Quasar

COIE AM vs HOM Wanda

Kyle-Parallax vs Binary

And Cyborg being taken out by Dr. Druid and Moondragon.

Then Avengers also have Rune King Thor who eliminates all normal yellow lanters.

But seriously - it is coming down to COIE AM and HOM Wanda. HOM Wanda have omniversal level feat, she wins.

Um, false...there is no evidence that she altered anything beyond earth in HOM. meanwhile, COIE AM WAS a multiversal threat and had already easily destroyed a ton of universes with ease...he is WAY above Wanda...

#7 Posted by Equonox (800 posts) - 16 days, 18 minutes ago - Show Bio

Pain. Normally Nightcrawler would be a huge problem, but the shared vision eliminates his advantage of surprise attacks from behind. Animal Path's summons would give Pain a huge power advantage here as well.

#8 Posted by Equonox (800 posts) - 16 days, 29 minutes ago - Show Bio

No Joker in the first image...sad...

#9 Posted by Equonox (800 posts) - 20 days, 17 minutes ago - Show Bio

captain atom. hes way too fast for fate to wave his hand at. speed kills. as usual DCs speed is too much for marvel

Fate is from DC.

#10 Posted by Equonox (800 posts) - 20 days, 19 minutes ago - Show Bio

This is one-sided either way. With prep, Hal stomps. Without, Reed stomps.