@Louisiana Bob: Clark has also withstood a collision with a tractor trailer before, he was not only completely uninjured, but it failed to even move him. The truck was damaged beyond repair. Look, I'm not doubting your assumption that only magic can harm Glory, but you have to realize that her durability has never been tested by anything powerful enough to prove that. Clark has withstood things far greater than anything Glory faced on the show. Clark also hits with an astronomically greater amount of force than a mac truck or a falling building. I'm not going to find a feat of strength and break it down scientifically, because I'm sure you would completely ignore the post.
I cannot accept that Glory is invulnerable because she got hit by a truck, and a building fell on top of her. I could make a list a mile long of comic book characters who aren't even close to invulnerable, that could survive these things without injury. Do you think a mac truck could injure Colossus? Absolutely not. Never. The Hulk still broke both of his arms. You see what I'm getting at?
Your argument that if a mac truck cannot harm Glory, then Clark also cannot harm Glory is a logical fallacy. I would also like to discuss why you consider Olaf a god. Do you have any feats, whatsoever, proving he is of any sort of godly nature? He was simply a human man cursed to become a troll, by Anya, who was still human at the time of cursing him. DO you really believe that Anya, as a human, has the power to turn a man into an actual god? By your logic, since a large hammer possibly created by Anya's magic was able to harm Glory, Anya as a human must be more powerful than Glory. For all we know, his "troll god" designation was self applied. Just trying to make you think.
I'm still waiting for an argument that doesn't consist of the following phrases: "Glory wins because she is a god." "Glory wins because she cannot be harmed."
These arguments have never worked in a battle thread, and they never will.
@Renee: This is just going to make you angry, but no, that isn't the same type of superspeed seen on Smallville. I have yet to see Glory create a sonic boom. I'm going to post some scientific proof here.
A bullet from the average high caliber rifle moves at about 5,000 feet (60,000 inches) per second. Clark was able to move 20+ feet and intercept a high caliber bullet, in the amount of time it took the bullet to move about half a foot. 0.5/5,000 = 0.0001. This means Clark was able to move approximately 20 feet, in 1 millionth of a second. That's 20,000,000 (20 million) feet per second, or 3,788 miles per second, 227,280 miles per minute, and 13,636,800 miles per hour.
This is my hypothesis that Clark can move at speeds over 13 million miles per hour. That's over 2% the speed of light, and almost 18,000 times the speed of sound, which is HUGE. To put this into perspective, Clark (from Smallville) could run around the entire planet, which is 24,901 miles in circumference, in about 6.5 seconds, 9 times in about a minute, or about 550 times in an hour. This is all based on a scene from the show, and real world statistics regarding bullet travel.
If this seems a little too fast, keep in mind that he's about 50 times faster than this in the comics.
Therefore, I conclude that since Glory has never created a sonic boom moving at her top speed, she cannot move at the speed of sound. This means, that at the very least, Clark is approximately 18,000 times faster than glory, and this scene was a few seasons ago. He's probably even faster now.
This was never stated and has not been shown. Buffy being unable to injure Glory is not proof of her complete invulnerability, nor was a building falling on top of her. Nothing she has faced could injure Clark either.
I haven't stated anything as fact, but I have presented evidence to support my claims, and have seen no evidence to the contrary. FYI, I own the entire series (Angel as well) on DVD, and have watched every single episode, of each show, at least twice. Most more than that considering reruns. I have also stated, more than once, that I am a Buffy/Angel fan. I also have the season 8 comics, and A:ATF. I actually prefer Buffy/Angel over Smallville; I love the shows and Glory was a great character, and easily the most powerful thing Buffy faced on the show.
Clark wins, according to the feats.
I am neither pissy nor obnoxious and I would appreciate it if you would argue your opinion without insulting me. Thanks.
@Louisiana Bob: is stating your opinions and claiming them as fact a hobby of yours?
I have made very few, if any, assumptions in this thread. I have used logic, and posted videos, with actual feats, to back them up. You, and certain others that share your opinion, rely solely on the fact that she was claimed to be a "god", to support her victory. Lets quickly run through the massive assumptions you made in your short post.
1. Olaf is a god. 2. Olaf's hammer has any mystical/godly properties. 3. Glory cannot be harmed by sheer physical force. 4. Mods are above scrutiny. 5. Clark is not a "god' 6. Fervently defending your opinion with evidence and educated guesses is obnoxious. 7. Clark has no way of hurting/killing Glory.
That's 7 near-baseless assumptions in one paragraph. To explain #5, Clark meets every single criteria to be considered a "god" in a comic book sense. That's all Glory's "god" designation is worth. She was called a god by people in her own dimension who labeled her as such.
I'll say it again; Find some evidence to back up your assertions, and I will happily concede this debate. Until then, I'm sticking to my guns, and I enjoy a good debate.
You have yet to respond to any of my arguments in a meaningful way. I really wish you would actually unbiasedly read my posts, and respond to the numerous points I have made in a constructive manner.
I'm not trying to insult anybody here, but I cannot fathom the thought process of anybody who has seen both shows, and thinks Glory can win this fight. I literally cannot comprehend it. Perhaps I'm mentally deficient in ways I've never realized, and Renee & Mistress Redhead are just smarter than I am.
Considering myself an unbiased fan of both shows; I'm trying to understand this viewpoint, but every ounce of logic, common sense, and gut-feeling tells me Clark should win with ease.
@.Mistress Redhead. said:
" @Xan: lol because I don't want to buy into posting fan videos as a way of PROVING something, they will not prove as they are manipulated. Much like posting fan written wiki pages are not proof."
Every single piece of footage in that video was taken from the show, and actually happened. This is a fact. I could post a video recut the opposite way, only showing Scenes of Glory hitting Buffy, and that video would still prove the point I was trying to make by posting the video. I've already reiterated this more than once, so this time, I'll put it in big, bold letters, in the simplest way possible.
Glory hits Buffy. Buffy gets back up. Buffy has no serious injuries. Buffy either continues to fight or runs away.
This is my sole reason for posting the video. This is empirical evidence that cannot be argued. Glory is not physically powerful enough to seriously injure Buffy with her strongest blows. You cannot argue that Clark lacks the strength to kill Buffy with a single blow, if it were within his character to do such a thing. If you want to argue that Buffy is near Clark's level as well, then I'm just going to stop posting in this thread, because I'm wasting my time.
Did you watch the same video I did? The video I posted clearly shows Glory having the upper hand in every scene, except when Buffy has the hammer. The fact that it's a fan made video has no bearing in this argument, I posted it to show Buffy being hit by Glory, and getting back up several times. If I remember correctly, she didn't suffer any physical injury from any of Glory's attacks. She appeared to be in pain after their battles, but no missing teeth, broken bones, or even visible lacerations. I just did a youtube search for "Buffy Glory", and posted the first result because it got straight to the point, and was short and sweet.
I know Glory is quite superior to Buffy. Clark is superior to Glory, and the gap is much wider than the gap between Buffy & Glory. This is a curbstomp in Clark's favor, and this is an argument I will not concede without viable evidence. I will not accept assumptions. If you still take issue with the video I posted, I suggest you find your own video on YouTube, and post it. Took me less than 10 seconds.
Log in to comment