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How Marvel Fails Women: Whedon will Right This.

In a recent blog, Thompson (2012) recently noted four categories that proved the "hyper-sexualisation of female characters and related issues" within the comic book medium. While she primarily focused upon the physical aspects of characters, here, the large portion of analysis will be focused on other areas omitted (combat sequences, inclusion in teams) from Thompson's blog. Patronisation however is not the main aim of this blog (as the connotations of that former statement may imply), but rather to support Thompson's claim that in the portrayal of women within comics, "No, it's not equal".

Comic book teams are largely formed of men; this is a matter of fact. Original incarnations of Marvel teams (from Avengers (Wasp) to the X-Men (then, Marvel Girl) to the Fantastic Four (then, the Invisible Girl) and true regarding their foes too (Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (Scarlet Witch)). While this has been less true during contemporary times (i.e. Runaways at one point consisting of four female (five if you count Old Lace) members and one male, and still contains more women then men; X-Men: Legacy currently revolves around three female characters and one male) it is still somewhat an underlying problem. This is in no way supported by the lack of female led on-going series within Marvel (having recently canceled X-23, although this seems to be re-appearing in March but I'm not sure if it's on-going or not) and few females in the creative department for DC (see Hudson 2011).

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In an effort to subside complaints and address the issue, Marvel launched the "Women of Marvel" initiative in 2010; consisting of numerous variant covers with Marvel's premiere female heroines, a boom in publicity surrounding the women behind the ideas i.e. Laura Martin and Marjorie Liu and even a limited series. However, as a solution it was rather problematic: rather than solve the dilemma, it seemed to simply highlight it at best. Morgan Freeman once stated that "[He didn't] want a Black History Month. Black history is American history." Surely we could apply a similar mentality to Marvel's "answer": it is wrong to believe that this could be solved with an event akin to that. It was a temporary compromise to subdue a rowdy public, and now seems to have been forgotten/ignored. Of course, there is another school of thinking: we could compare the "Women of Marvel" to a catalyst; something to spurn us to examine the contributions of women characters and creators throughout comic book history. Comic book history isn't as comprehensive as other forms, and this would therefore be something of a difficult task.

This comic book misogyny seems to have been equally translated in to other forms of media. In a thorough analysis of the lead females of "X-Men: First Class" (2011), blogger comicbookGRRRL (2011) notes that each women had stripped down at one point during the film, despite the era within which it was set lacked comment on the feminist movement, the lack of lines given to and development of said characters and occasionally subject to demeaning tasks (citing "that [Emma Frost] ice scene". A similar thing could be said for the Black Widow's role in "Iron Man 2" (2010). Johansson was granted few lines, received little character development and was seemingly only included as to lead up to "The Avengers" (2012) and for the following fight scene:

I understand that the focus of the film was supposed to be on the titular character, but she felt like little more than a background character, added (dare I say it) to "sex things up". Being a bold accusation, I'd like to counter it by saying that personally, I had no problems with the role. I enjoyed the fighting, the one liners etc, but I can also understand the feminist critique. In contrast to the above fight scene, the one below from Joss Whedon's "Serenity" (2005) is somewhat less glamorous and may be subject to less criticism from our viewpoint:

Within the context of this film and the preceding show ("Firefly", 2002), the character of River Tam is largely advanced during this film. Fleshed out, as the film concludes she is accepted aboard the ship and is far more stable mentally than at the beginning (and personally, as one of the finer characters of the show). This may all be down to Whedon's feminist perspective, which is either epitomised or leaks through every piece of work he has worked on.

Does this mean that Whedon could be Marvel's saviour? Arguably, that could be the case; his tenure on "Astonishing X-Men" (2004) saw Kitty Pryde's return to prominence and development to the character of Emma Frost unseen since Morrison's run and his work on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" is perhaps one of the foundations for the 90s generation feminism. The outcome will be seen this summer in how he handle's Marvel's "The Avengers" (2012), although I am slightly subjective when I say that I am more than optimistic.

Bibliography/Further Reading

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/02/21/she-has-no-head-no-its-not-equal/

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/12/08/marvel-women-comics-editors/

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/280686-x-men-slammed-for-sexual-deviance

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/02/16/superheroine-sex-art-story/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

http://www.comicbookgrrrl.com/2011/06/06/x-women-first-class/

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@Darkmount1: **curtsies**

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@lykopis said:

Comics are made just for young/older men? Is there another kind of man out there that you felt needed to be excluded?

Comics are generally made for these young/older men?

Wow -- whattaya know.

See - I am learning? I love learning. Always on the lookout for knowledge So, there's a few feminazi's out to change everything...no wonder it seems kind of extreme to you. Throwing words like "nazi" at the end of words really gives it a punch too, because you know, a systemic attempt at eradicating an entire people is completely on par with gender equality.

This is about FICTION? Get out? Thank you - the capitalization helped with the comprehension level. Here, let me help you out in the same way then.....

I HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OBJECTIFIED. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOICE MY OPINION. I HAVE THE RIGHT JUST LIKE YOU TO STATE MY POINT OF VIEW. I HAVE THE RIGHT AS A CONSUMER TO STATE WHAT I ENJOY AND NOT ENJOY IN THE PRODUCTS I PURCHASE.

I flatter myself just fine, but I do thank you all the same for suggesting I don't. I have something called confidence - it's great.

I said generally made for men not completely, everyone and anyone has the right to pick up a comic book and enjoy them. Stop over overreacting and over exaggerating everything it's getting pretty annoying. Sarcasm isn't making you sound any smarter or more verbose either, it's just making you come off as a total... err.. yeah, you get it. This is the internet, stop taking everything so seriously and literally ... Feminazi is just a word... like grammar nazi or space nazi or dragon nazi... I'm not going to censor myself or dumb myself down just because your too sensitive to realize that.

This isn't about gender equality, this is about gender superiority.. there are plenty of men who are objectified several ways by the media, but the difference is we don't stick our fists in the air and cry about it like little babies because the truth is there are more important things in this world that need more attention. You do have the right to voice your opinion, state your view, blah blah blah, but so do I toots. I never said you didn't... if anything, you were the one who came off pretty aggressive. If I go around buying Barbie Dolls and get pissed off because Ken's shirts are always yellow, it wouldn't make much sense for me to complain nor try to change it. I have the right to, but ... it's just pretty stupid.

Oh yes, confidence over the internet, how original.

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@TheWholeDamnShow said:

@lykopis said:

Comics are made just for young/older men? Is there another kind of man out there that you felt needed to be excluded?

Comics are generally made for these young/older men?

Wow -- whattaya know.

See - I am learning? I love learning. Always on the lookout for knowledge So, there's a few feminazi's out to change everything...no wonder it seems kind of extreme to you. Throwing words like "nazi" at the end of words really gives it a punch too, because you know, a systemic attempt at eradicating an entire people is completely on par with gender equality.

This is about FICTION? Get out? Thank you - the capitalization helped with the comprehension level. Here, let me help you out in the same way then.....

I HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OBJECTIFIED. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOICE MY OPINION. I HAVE THE RIGHT JUST LIKE YOU TO STATE MY POINT OF VIEW. I HAVE THE RIGHT AS A CONSUMER TO STATE WHAT I ENJOY AND NOT ENJOY IN THE PRODUCTS I PURCHASE.

I flatter myself just fine, but I do thank you all the same for suggesting I don't. I have something called confidence - it's great.

I said generally made for men not completely, everyone and anyone has the right to pick up a comic book and enjoy them. Stop over overreacting and over exaggerating everything it's getting pretty annoying. Sarcasm isn't making you sound any smarter or more verbose either, it's just making you come off as a total... err.. yeah, you get it. This is the internet, stop taking everything so seriously and literally ... Feminazi is just a word... like grammar nazi or space nazi or dragon nazi... I'm not going to censor myself or dumb myself down just because your too sensitive to realize that.

This isn't about gender equality, this is about gender superiority.. there are plenty of men who are objectified several ways by the media, but the difference is we don't stick our fists in the air and cry about it like little babies because the truth is there are more important things in this world that need more intention. You do have the right to voice your opinion, state your view, blah blah blah, but so do I toots. I never said you didn't... if anything, you were the one who came off pretty aggressive. If I go around buying Barbie Dolls and get pissed off because Ken's shirts are always yellow, it wouldn't make much sense for me to complain nor try to change it. I have the right to, but ... it's just pretty stupid.

Oh yes, confidence over the internet, how original.

**sigh**

This is too easy.

Thanks though -- you were fun. Have a great night. :)

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@TheWholeDamnShow:

You call THOSE ninjas??? Buddy, THESE are ninjas:

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@Darkmount1 said:

@TheWholeDamnShow:

You call THOSE ninjas??? Buddy, THESE are ninjas:

Can Snake Eyes shoot Ice balls out of his fists? DIDNT THINK SO!

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@TheWholeDamnShow: Can Scorpion sense the movements of the 'silent master', AND react in time before SE cuts through his chain like butter? DI-INT THINK SO!!!

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@Darkmount1 said:

@TheWholeDamnShow: Can Scorpion sense the movements of the 'silent master', AND react in time before SE cuts through his chain like butter? DI-INT THINK SO!!!

Not only can he, but he can also teleport into a firey blaze before SE can even get close. Snake Eyes is warm food after my main man Scorps gets to him.

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@TheWholeDamnShow: True....but that doesn't mean he won't fall after meeting THIS guy:

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@TheWholeDamnShow: True....but that doesn't mean he won't fall after meeting THIS guy:

How evil. I have someone who can top em though. No problemo!

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@TheWholeDamnShow:

Oh ho, bringing in the backup from Japan, are we?? Well, two can play at that game--meet my #1 champ:

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@Darkmount1: Oh yeah? You smell bad...

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@TheWholeDamnShow:

Guess who's NOT the oyster stew (until the gun gets pulled out).

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@TheWholeDamnShow:

Guess who's NOT the oyster stew (until the gun gets pulled out).

This video just got you a follow tough guy.

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@CaioTrubat said:

Don't put much fate in Whedon. People keep saying he is feminist but you are all buying the wrong boat...

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@jeanroygrant: Its good someone got back to the subject when this blog delved into TV ramblings.

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@CaioTrubat said:

@jeanroygrant: Its good someone got back to the subject when this blog delved into TV ramblings.

I see

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@CaioTrubat: Sorry about that. If I see a comment that ticks off someone, I do my best to outwit them. I think my Three Stooges clip secured my win against TheWholeDamnShow in our little match of wits.

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@Darkmount1: No problem dude. I was not pissed off by any of your comments I just did not understand what the hell you guys were doing. That is all.

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@CaioTrubat: No problem.

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I think it all depends on what you want to see female characters do in comics.  What I really loved about Joss Whedon's run on "Astonishing X-Men" is how he portrayed Emma Frost as being as competent as Cyclops without downplaying Cyclops' character.  I loved how Emma is able to handle the leadership position competently and I also loved the fact that she is able to voice her opinions to Cyclops and let him know that she will only go along with his plans if it is to her approval.  I would like to see more comic books try to have it set up where both the female and male characters have an equal say in the matter or be on the same level of authority or power as each other instead of making one of them stronger than the other.  I also would have like it if Colossus was shown as a stronger character (he's a male character) in "Astonishing X-Men" only so that he and Kitty could be on the same level of agreement with each other.

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http://www.paultobin.net/

Tobin is currently running through a list of his favourite female characters in literature and how they're represented. Thought it may be of interest, plus there's a reference to Whedon's Kitty there too...

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Not even going to bring up the sexualization argument because we all know, comic use their women as porn stars basically.

But alot of reason female fans of comics don't like DC is because they supposedly have this belief that DC don't use their women right

Well I will say DC's women are usually at the forefront of storylines unlike Marvel who's women are usually accessories.

Overall, nice blog though, and love the Morgan Freeman quote

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