How Marvel Fails Women: Whedon will Right This.

In a recent blog, Thompson (2012) recently noted four categories that proved the "hyper-sexualisation of female characters and related issues" within the comic book medium. While she primarily focused upon the physical aspects of characters, here, the large portion of analysis will be focused on other areas omitted (combat sequences, inclusion in teams) from Thompson's blog. Patronisation however is not the main aim of this blog (as the connotations of that former statement may imply), but rather to support Thompson's claim that in the portrayal of women within comics, "No, it's not equal".

Comic book teams are largely formed of men; this is a matter of fact. Original incarnations of Marvel teams (from Avengers (Wasp) to the X-Men (then, Marvel Girl) to the Fantastic Four (then, the Invisible Girl) and true regarding their foes too (Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (Scarlet Witch)). While this has been less true during contemporary times (i.e. Runaways at one point consisting of four female (five if you count Old Lace) members and one male, and still contains more women then men; X-Men: Legacy currently revolves around three female characters and one male) it is still somewhat an underlying problem. This is in no way supported by the lack of female led on-going series within Marvel (having recently canceled X-23, although this seems to be re-appearing in March but I'm not sure if it's on-going or not) and few females in the creative department for DC (see Hudson 2011).

In an effort to subside complaints and address the issue, Marvel launched the "Women of Marvel" initiative in 2010; consisting of numerous variant covers with Marvel's premiere female heroines, a boom in publicity surrounding the women behind the ideas i.e. Laura Martin and Marjorie Liu and even a limited series. However, as a solution it was rather problematic: rather than solve the dilemma, it seemed to simply highlight it at best. Morgan Freeman once stated that "[He didn't] want a Black History Month. Black history is American history." Surely we could apply a similar mentality to Marvel's "answer": it is wrong to believe that this could be solved with an event akin to that. It was a temporary compromise to subdue a rowdy public, and now seems to have been forgotten/ignored. Of course, there is another school of thinking: we could compare the "Women of Marvel" to a catalyst; something to spurn us to examine the contributions of women characters and creators throughout comic book history. Comic book history isn't as comprehensive as other forms, and this would therefore be something of a difficult task.

This comic book misogyny seems to have been equally translated in to other forms of media. In a thorough analysis of the lead females of "X-Men: First Class" (2011), blogger comicbookGRRRL (2011) notes that each women had stripped down at one point during the film, despite the era within which it was set lacked comment on the feminist movement, the lack of lines given to and development of said characters and occasionally subject to demeaning tasks (citing "that [Emma Frost] ice scene". A similar thing could be said for the Black Widow's role in "Iron Man 2" (2010). Johansson was granted few lines, received little character development and was seemingly only included as to lead up to "The Avengers" (2012) and for the following fight scene:

I understand that the focus of the film was supposed to be on the titular character, but she felt like little more than a background character, added (dare I say it) to "sex things up". Being a bold accusation, I'd like to counter it by saying that personally, I had no problems with the role. I enjoyed the fighting, the one liners etc, but I can also understand the feminist critique. In contrast to the above fight scene, the one below from Joss Whedon's "Serenity" (2005) is somewhat less glamorous and may be subject to less criticism from our viewpoint:

Within the context of this film and the preceding show ("Firefly", 2002), the character of River Tam is largely advanced during this film. Fleshed out, as the film concludes she is accepted aboard the ship and is far more stable mentally than at the beginning (and personally, as one of the finer characters of the show). This may all be down to Whedon's feminist perspective, which is either epitomised or leaks through every piece of work he has worked on.

Does this mean that Whedon could be Marvel's saviour? Arguably, that could be the case; his tenure on "Astonishing X-Men" (2004) saw Kitty Pryde's return to prominence and development to the character of Emma Frost unseen since Morrison's run and his work on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" is perhaps one of the foundations for the 90s generation feminism. The outcome will be seen this summer in how he handle's Marvel's "The Avengers" (2012), although I am slightly subjective when I say that I am more than optimistic.

Bibliography/Further Reading

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/02/21/she-has-no-head-no-its-not-equal/

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/12/08/marvel-women-comics-editors/

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/280686-x-men-slammed-for-sexual-deviance

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/02/16/superheroine-sex-art-story/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

http://www.comicbookgrrrl.com/2011/06/06/x-women-first-class/

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Posted by Elixir95

I got tired, so I left a lot of what I was going to look at out. May do a follow up blog :). Plus, you can see where I got much less academic towards the end :L.

Posted by jcbart

It's sort of a nice knife wound in the case of The Avengers. The knife wound is that Black Widow won't be in much of the movie. This is a given, since Iron Man seems to be the star of the film (he's the most bankable, the most popular (in non-comicdom) and the most famous of the bunch at the moment), with Captain America and Loki being the remaining focus takers. However, the nice comes from the fact that Whedon will, with what little screen time Widow has, treat her with respect. He will give her a serious role, and he will allow her to at least kick some moderately important arse. So it's definitely a good/bad outcome.

I just wish Marvel would realise that Whedon was probably the best decision they made in the past decade and beg him to return to write another X-Men series.

Posted by Inverno

Don't put much fate in Whedon. People keep saying he is feminist but you are all buying the wrong boat...

Posted by redleigh86

@Elixir95: While it's really, really awesome you're posting about this and writing about the issues, perhaps it'd be more popular/easier to read if it didn't sound so academic? The overly formal format makes such an important issue sound almost boring :/ I feel like I'm not reading about women's issues in comics but about something like... stamps. Or forks. You know what I mean?

Other than that, well done, good blog.

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@CaioTrubat said:

Don't put much fate in Whedon. People keep saying he is feminist but you are all buying the wrong boat...

^ Pretty much.

Everyone of Whedon's ultra-competent female characters receives their talent through some other means, rather than actual hard work, whether it be mysticism at birth, or brainwashing. None of them actually learn the skills on their own, except for Willow's computing abilities, which are quickly overshadowed by her natural hypercompetency at witchcraft. Buffy was entirely useless at everything aside from being a Slayer, something which she was born as.

Posted by Illuminatus
@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@CaioTrubat said:

Don't put much fate in Whedon. People keep saying he is feminist but you are all buying the wrong boat...

^ Pretty much.

Everyone of Whedon's ultra-competent female characters receives their talent through some other means, rather than actual hard work, whether it be mysticism at birth, or brainwashing. None of them actually learn the skills on their own, except for Willow's computing abilities, which are quickly overshadowed by her natural hypercompetency at witchcraft. Buffy was entirely useless at everything aside from being a Slayer, something which she was born as.

I suppose you may have a point regarding some more of his original works, but he wrote both Emma and Kitty very competently during his run on Astonishing X-Men. Granted, both those characters have a long history of acting competently, as well as being technically born with their abilities, but it still stands to reason that he is certainly capable of writing female characters in a competent manner.
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@Illuminatus said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@CaioTrubat said:

Don't put much fate in Whedon. People keep saying he is feminist but you are all buying the wrong boat...

^ Pretty much.

Everyone of Whedon's ultra-competent female characters receives their talent through some other means, rather than actual hard work, whether it be mysticism at birth, or brainwashing. None of them actually learn the skills on their own, except for Willow's computing abilities, which are quickly overshadowed by her natural hypercompetency at witchcraft. Buffy was entirely useless at everything aside from being a Slayer, something which she was born as.

I suppose you may have a point regarding some more of his original works, but he wrote both Emma and Kitty very competently during his run on Astonishing X-Men. Granted, both those characters have a long history of acting competently, as well as being technically born with their abilities, but it still stands to reason that he is certainly capable of writing female characters in a competent manner.
That's just a sign of being a good writer though, not necessarily the Feminist Harbinger lol
Posted by Illuminatus
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
@Illuminatus said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@CaioTrubat said:

Don't put much fate in Whedon. People keep saying he is feminist but you are all buying the wrong boat...

^ Pretty much.

Everyone of Whedon's ultra-competent female characters receives their talent through some other means, rather than actual hard work, whether it be mysticism at birth, or brainwashing. None of them actually learn the skills on their own, except for Willow's computing abilities, which are quickly overshadowed by her natural hypercompetency at witchcraft. Buffy was entirely useless at everything aside from being a Slayer, something which she was born as.

I suppose you may have a point regarding some more of his original works, but he wrote both Emma and Kitty very competently during his run on Astonishing X-Men. Granted, both those characters have a long history of acting competently, as well as being technically born with their abilities, but it still stands to reason that he is certainly capable of writing female characters in a competent manner.
That's just a sign of being a good writer though, not necessarily the Feminist Harbinger lol
It's a sign of both, in my opinion. Right from the start, we're re-introduced to the X-Men from Kitty's point of view. We also see that Emma has practically taken charge of running the school and organizing all the other X-Men into specific teaching positions. He could've easily just copped-out and let Logan or even Scott just be the center-point of the first arc, which is what most writers do these days if Hope isn't the center of everything. 
Posted by Elixir95

I hope he will, but from the interviews I've read, I'm also worried that he hasn't. Whether that was his choice or Marvel's, I'm not sure, but Johansson has stated that basically all she does in the film is fight. This worries me slightly, and makes me lean a tad towards the other arguments proposed in this thread. But we shall see :D.

With Buffy, the only thing she was born with were the powers and the destiny. They did give her an advantage, but she worked at it most days; studying martial arts, how best to use her natural born skills etc. Additionally, as seen in Season 3, Buffy was skilled academically also: she received great SAT grades and went on to uni. Of course, she left, but just trying to prove that she was gifted in other fields. The overall combination of these threads lead to a great story of a teenage girl coming-of-age, from which feministic connotations also developed.

In the case of Willow, she did have to study her witchcraft: admittedly, she had a natural aptitude for magic and progressed far faster than others, but there is no denying that she put hard work into it.

I understand your concern, but decided that an academic approach would allow for a more throrough analysis. Although, considering that I seemed to abandon this method towards the end, it didn't end as cohesively as I would've liked and perhaps the format of blog would've been more appropriate.

Agreed, for me, the Emma/Kitty dichotomy is what usually made the series for me. I have their speech from "Giant-Size" on my wall :L.

Posted by Inverno

@Elixir95: I am sorry but I may have forgotten the lovely fact that no matter how powerful these heroines are, they still CONSTANTLY depend on men. Buffy, for all her killing vamps and breaking stuff, is rather a weak character. Let’s consider that she, as a Slayer, descends from a line that was literally created by men – a formation that stems directly from the male anxiety over an inability to create life the way that women do. And inherently problematic is the idea of the Watcher, a predominantly male presence that is the male gaze made manifest – a source of constant looking that is an explicit form of control. And Buffy is textually weak in all her relationships. She falls apart not only when Angel leaves her, but when Parker (yeah, you don’t remember him, either) doesn’t want to pursue more than a one-night stand with her, too.

Making a female character more powerful than males or making her POV doesn't make her strong or independent.

Posted by Ceddsong

I somewhat agree with previous post. However I propose that Buffy being as strong as she was needed a weakness and while I understand her flaws with dealing with romantic conflict were stereotypical. We all are perpetrators in that field. I choose to view her weak moments with men as universal to men and women alike. And I say this as a gay male who has heterosexual friends, particularly men who I've seen play the weeping willow when their girlfriends leave. I think when we examine female characters we can't rule out that some stereotyped behavior is completely normal because truthfully some stereotypes are simply intrinsic to the human experience,i.e. romantic troubles. That notwithstanding writers and editors need to realize that female characters are more importantly characters who should be strong and independent and all they do is fan the flames of misogyny when the produce female characters with very little substance or transform them into subservient cheerleaders. Sure we all cheer lead for our partners but there's more to any person than "rah rah rah, you can do it lover"

Posted by gravitypress

Even if Whedon does as you say it is not just his decision. Producers will try to find ways to make the movie appeal to a broader audience for the sake of money. The pale shadow of the Black Widow from IM2 could have been edited out without any problems, but instead she was put in to net a demographic. In Thor it was Heimdall. Did he do an excellent job as Heimdall? Of course, he was great, but I could see how the choice of actors perplexed fans. Sadly hardcore fans are only given a passing nod in movies and so much changes completely. For every point that gets brought up like women being handed their powers there is a counterpoint that shows that men in comics generally get their powers without working for them as well. I think a lot of men write women as they see them then push their personalities to dramatic levels in order to try to make them seem larger than life and not necessarily to objectify them. All women are different so the most they can hope to do is write what they know. Even a woman writer couldn't write all women in a way that would make every female reader happy.

Posted by Chaos Burn

Its all political, but at the end of the day, who buys these comics...? Mostly younger men who enjoy there women sexy not suffragette-y

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Posted by Inverno

@Chaos Burn said:

Its all political, but at the end of the day, who buys these comics...? Mostly younger men who enjoy there women sexy not suffragette-y

I am so sick and tired of people bitching about sexualization of the heroines. Its just a comic book fantasy, guys! Who cares if Ed Benes drew Wonder Woman like a porn star what you gonna do? Castrate him and turn him into a eunuch?

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Posted by Ceddsong

This is not simply about the sexualization of women in comic books but about their unequal portrayals and marginalization. I think what female, and I would hope male readers want are strong heroines who can stand on their own and are not consigned to moral support roles for their male counterparts. Few heroines fit that mold. I feel as readers were just a little tired of the same old song and dance. If we reverse the roles of, for example the males and females of the Marvel universe I think the issue with female characters is more blatantly apparent. Captain America would either constantly doubt himself or be on the verge of emotional collapse. Mr. Fantastic would be there near solely to support Sue's grand and brilliant ideas. Cyclops and half the other X-men would be either cheerleaders, background fodder, or unable to handle the emotional toll of their powers. (Dark Phoenix. Really? A woman can't control herself and her passions. Pfft!). Perhaps those arent the best examples, I know plenty male X-men can't control their powers or themselves but only Jean has the stigma attached to it. Frying the stars and all that. I don't know. I would like to see a team of female characters just as strong and in charge as the men.

Posted by Darkmount1

@Elixir95: What are your thoughts on comics like the Marvel run of GI Joe?? Larry Hama really knew how to develop all his characters, male or female--you could almost say he was to GI Joe what Whedon was to the X-Men.

Posted by Stormultt

I believe marvel is doing alot better than they've done in the past with females. Marvel is still in he ditch to me but they are progressing.

Edited by texasdeathmatch

No one else noticed the irony of the thread title? :D 
 
Anyways, male comic writers tend to be a different breed of writers (I hate to label based on appearances, but come on, look at those guys). I don't really expect them to accurately hit every ethical note, especially when it comes to the portrayal of women

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@CaioTrubat said:

I am so sick and tired of people bitching about sexualization of the heroines. Its just a comic book fantasy, guys! Who cares if Ed Benes drew Wonder Woman like a porn star what you gonna do? Castrate him and turn him into a eunuch?

This.
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@texasdeathmatch: Thank you for saying what needed to be said. Marvel needs more women writers.

Posted by Vance Astro
@Ceddsong said:

I know plenty male X-men can't control their powers or themselves but only Jean has the stigma attached to it. Frying the stars and all that. I don't know. I would like to see a team of female characters just as strong and in charge as the men.

Right, because it's not like she's one of the most powerful beings in the entire Marvel Universe or anything.....
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@TheGreyOutcastX said:

@texasdeathmatch: Thank you for saying what needed to be said. Marvel needs more women writers.

Come to think of it, I don't think Gail Simone did much work on Marvel for that matter. Because that is what they definetly need.

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@CaioTrubat said:

Because that is what they definetly need.

Gail Simone sucks.Marvel doesn't need her to sell comics with female characters.All they need to do is take some time and think about why it is THEY DON'T sell.Which is quite obvious.

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Posted by Inverno

But you know what is really funny about this blog: Joss Whedon is considered a better "feminist" than other female writers and he (and only HE) can right what is wrong about women in Marvel.

Posted by The Man of Yesteryear

A guy that's concerned with women as sex objects is going to be concerned with women as sex objects regardless of how they look.

Posted by Elixir95

The Slayer line was formed by men, but the whole point of the final season and that revelation was to show Buffy and other women ascending beyond those constraints, beyond the destiny that there would be a "chosen one"; thanks to Willow's magic. Additionally, while I agree to the degree that the Watcher as a concept is flawed, the Buffy-Watcher relationship (more so with the Council I mean, than with Giles (although, in certain cases)) was one of conflict; predominantly, she would defy their orders, a la season three.

I do however agree with your final statement; many writers in modern times seem to believe that by granting female characters these extraordinary abilities, this criticism can be solved.

This is probably a more accurate claim: they are universal themes, themes of humanity. The significant others were usually affected in a similar manner (albeit, Angel to Angelus) rather than being restricted to a gender.

I do however disagree when it comes to your X-Men example. Jean Grey was one of the first truly powerful superheroine; Claremont and Byrne have both stated that that is what they were attempting to achieve with the Phoenix storyline. I believe it was more about power and humanity; and spoke about women and their control, especially when she took her own life eventually (that was of very little consequence in the long run obviously) (

Fair point, especially with the comparison to Hemidall.

I shall admit, I haven't read Lama's work or the G.I. Joe run. Sorry.

Valid point.

T'was intended, quite happy to say :L.

Posted by Darkmount1

@Elixir95: Buddy, you've got to read that series, it's gold. And like I said before, Hama knew how to develop his characters, male or female. IDW's got a run of TPB's out, and right now they're up to volume 14.

Posted by dementedtheclown

Why dont they make a separate feminist universe????? Then every bodies happy.

Posted by TheWholeDamnShow

@Chaos Burn said:

Its all political, but at the end of the day, who buys these comics...? Mostly younger men who enjoy there women sexy not suffragette-y

Exactly. Leave our comics alone and we'll leave your Twilight crap alone. Plain and simple. Don't be like those girls who made the dean ban half of the song playlist from Prom just because they were "demeaning" to women. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to kill it for the rest of us....

Posted by Chaos Burn

@TheWholeDamnShow said:

@Chaos Burn said:

Its all political, but at the end of the day, who buys these comics...? Mostly younger men who enjoy there women sexy not suffragette-y

Exactly. Leave our comics alone and we'll leave your Twilight crap alone. Plain and simple. Don't be like those girls who made the dean ban half of the song playlist from Prom just because they were "demeaning" to women. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to kill it for the rest of us....

Well I probably wouldn't have said it like that... Women shouldn't be demeaned at all, I was just saying 'sex sells' and so long as there is a demand, there will be a supply.

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Posted by Darkmount1

@TheWholeDamnShow: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

you had to be a big shot, didn't ya

You had to open up your mouth

You had to be a big shot, didn't ya,

All your friends were so knocked out

You had to have the last word, last night

You know what everything's about

You had to have a white hot spotlight

You had to be a big shot last night

Posted by TheWholeDamnShow

@Darkmount1 said:

@TheWholeDamnShow: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

you had to be a big shot, didn't ya

You had to open up your mouth

You had to be a big shot, didn't ya,

All your friends were so knocked out

You had to have the last word, last night

You know what everything's about

You had to have a white hot spotlight

You had to be a big shot last night

LOL What?

Posted by Darkmount1

@TheWholeDamnShow: That's me criticizing your comment with Billy Joel lyrics.

Posted by TheWholeDamnShow

@Darkmount1 said:

@TheWholeDamnShow: That's me criticizing your comment with Billy Joel lyrics.

OH YEAH

Let me be your everlasting light

(Shoo-shoo-shoo-wa)

A train goin' 'way from pain

(Shoo-shoo-shoo-wa)

Love is the coal

That makes this train roll

Let me be your everlasting light

Yeah

Yeahhhhh

Posted by Darkmount1

@TheWholeDamnShow: I give. Where is THAT from???

Posted by TheWholeDamnShow

@Darkmount1: My heart....

Posted by lykopis

@dementedtheclown said:

Why dont they make a separate feminist universe????? Then every bodies happy.

Hey - great news! Next scheduled flight to "no man's land" is tomorrow - 6am! (One way ticket non-refundable.)

And you're welcome.

@TheWholeDamnShow said:

@Chaos Burn said:

Its all political, but at the end of the day, who buys these comics...? Mostly younger men who enjoy there women sexy not suffragette-y

Exactly. Leave our comics alone and we'll leave your Twilight crap alone. Plain and simple. Don't be like those girls who made the dean ban half of the song playlist from Prom just because they were "demeaning" to women. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to kill it for the rest of us....

Leave "your" comics alone? Wow -- all comics belong to you? You learn something every day. Oh hey - here's the favour returned - believe it or not, lots of guys love Twilight and lots of girls hate it. I know, shocking right? Kind of freaky learning new things - you should give it more of an effort. Aww --- Prom sucked? "Sorry" that it was "killed" for the "rest" of "you."

@Chaos Burn:

I believe everyone likes sexy people. I do, that's for sure. Suffragette is not the opposite of sexy, lol - but I do get what you are saying. There is a demand for objectified women in comics --- why else would there be objectification, right? But there is a demand for them to not be objectified and hopefully that will be heeded as well (through the pocket pock) in the comic industry's bottom line. We'll see. As a fellow comic fan - I make in known, not just in forums in expressing my opinion, but more effectively, through my pull-list. Like any other consumer.

Posted by Darkmount1

@TheWholeDamnShow:

HAW, HAW, HAW.

Posted by lykopis

@Darkmount1 said:

@TheWholeDamnShow: I give. Where is THAT from???

LOL - The Black Keys - Everlasting Light.

Posted by Darkmount1

@lykopis: Not a fan. More partial to Sam Cooke.

Posted by lykopis

@Darkmount1 said:

@lykopis: Not a fan. More partial to Sam Cooke.

Nice. Me too.

It's Been A Long Time Coming (apt I would think--- lol)

I was born by the river

In a little tent

And just like the river

I've been running ever since

It's been a long, long time coming

But I know a change gonna come

Oh, yes it is

It's been too hard living

But I'm afraid to die

I don't know what's up there beyond the sky

It's been a long, long time coming

But I know a change gonna come

Oh yes it will

Then I go to my brother

I say brother help me please

But he winds up knocking me

Back down on my knees

There's been times that I thought

I wouldn't last for long

But now I think I'm able to carry on

It's been a long, long time coming

But I know a change is gonna come

Oh, yes it will

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@lykopis said:

@dementedtheclown said:

Why dont they make a separate feminist universe????? Then every bodies happy.

Hey - great news! Next scheduled flight to "no man's land" is tomorrow - 6am! (One way ticket non-refundable.)

And you're welcome.

@TheWholeDamnShow said:

@Chaos Burn said:

Its all political, but at the end of the day, who buys these comics...? Mostly younger men who enjoy there women sexy not suffragette-y

Exactly. Leave our comics alone and we'll leave your Twilight crap alone. Plain and simple. Don't be like those girls who made the dean ban half of the song playlist from Prom just because they were "demeaning" to women. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to kill it for the rest of us....

Leave "your" comics alone? Wow -- all comics belong to you? You learn something every day. Oh hey - here's the favour returned - believe it or not, lots of guys love Twilight and lots of girls hate it. I know, shocking right? Kind of freaky learning new things - you should give it more of an effort. Aww --- Prom sucked? "Sorry" that it was "killed" for the "rest" of "you."

@Chaos Burn:

I believe everyone likes sexy people. I do, that's for sure. Suffragette is not the opposite of sexy, lol - but I do get what you are saying. There is a demand for objectified women in comics --- why else would there be objectification, right? But there is a demand for them to not be objectified and hopefully that will be heeded as well (through the pocket pock) in the comic industry's bottom line. We'll see. As a fellow comic fan - I make in known, not just in forums in expressing my opinion, but more effectively, through my pull-list. Like any other consumer.

"Our" meaning young/older men. That's who they are generally made for... changing everything for a few feminazis seems kind of extreme to me. The whole Twilight thing was just an example... Of course some guys love Twilight, but they were generally targeted to please adolescent pre-teen girls. It's all FICTION. If mostly everyone is fine with the status quo what gives you or anyone else the right to try to change and warp it to fit your own selfish vision of what comics/movies/television should be? Heh "Learn something new?" .. don't flatter yourself.

Posted by Darkmount1

@lykopis: I actually like his take on "Frankie and Johnny".

@TheWholeDamnShow: One of these days pal, one of these days:

Posted by TheWholeDamnShow

YEEEEEEEEEEEES!

@lykopis said:

@Darkmount1 said:

@TheWholeDamnShow: I give. Where is THAT from???

LOL - The Black Keys - Everlasting Light.

Posted by TheWholeDamnShow

@Darkmount1 said:

@lykopis: I actually like his take on "Frankie and Johnny".

@TheWholeDamnShow: One of these days pal, one of these days:

Is that a threat? I WILL FINISH YOU!

Posted by Darkmount1

@TheWholeDamnShow:

Posted by lykopis

@TheWholeDamnShow said:

"Our" meaning young/older men. That's who they are generally made for... changing everything for a few feminazis seems kind of extreme to me. The whole Twilight thing was just an example... Of course some guys love Twilight, but they were generally targeted to please adolescent pre-teen girls. It's all FICTION. If mostly everyone is fine with the status quo what gives you or anyone else the right to try to change and warp it to fit your on selfish vision of what comics/movies/television should be? Heh "Learn something new?" .. don't flatter yourself.

Comics are made just for young/older men? Is there another kind of man out there that you felt needed to be excluded?

Comics are generally made for these young/older men?

Wow -- whattaya know.

See - I am learning? I love learning. Always on the lookout for knowledge So, there's a few feminazi's out to change everything...no wonder it seems kind of extreme to you. Throwing words like "nazi" at the end of words really gives it a punch too, because you know, a systemic attempt at eradicating an entire people is completely on par with gender equality.

This is about FICTION? Get out? Thank you - the capitalization helped with the comprehension level. Here, let me help you out in the same way then.....

I HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OBJECTIFIED. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOICE MY OPINION. I HAVE THE RIGHT JUST LIKE YOU TO STATE MY POINT OF VIEW. I HAVE THE RIGHT AS A CONSUMER TO STATE WHAT I ENJOY AND NOT ENJOY IN THE PRODUCTS I PURCHASE.

I flatter myself just fine, but I do thank you all the same for suggesting I don't. I have something called confidence - it's great.

Posted by Darkmount1

@lykopis:

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