@dum529001: You mean the ones you constantly ignore to try and make case and then you post your scan dump from virtually every thread with your faux science in here?
Let me know when a street-level hero or any of these X-men can do things such as moving their arms faster than light, move so fast they set the atoms of an objects ablaze and create the most powerful hurricane force winds with merely by spining their arms or exhale a breath of air. None of them have done that because they aren't as fast as Thor.
Not accepting the facts you don't like doesn't make them go away. Taking occurences out of context and making things up doesn't make you look credible.
@dum529001: Except for the fact that they've all said "Hey, you're slow" to him? Or the fact they have consistently better reflex and combat speed feats? Sure.
Except for the fact that they don't?
Thor has way better speed than any of them.
Let me know when a street-level hero or any of these X-men can do things such as moving their arms faster than light, move so fast they set the atoms of an objects ablaze and create the most powerful hurricane force winds with merely by spining their arms or exhale a breath of air. None of them have done that because they aren't as fast as Thor.
This battle just simply becomes who has the means to either...
Beat him fast enough before they get hit.
Survive being hit.
For those reasons alone I'm going to say he stops at Wonder Woman as I believe she strong and fast enough to contain especially with the aid of her lasso and I think her bracelets can tank an attack from him.
WB Hulk would disintegrate her without even touching her, before she could do anything.
Wonder Woman has nothing that put her at Hulk's level even when he's at his base power-level.
She has no chance against World breaker Hulk, where Hulk is powerful enough to shake the earth by standing, break continents by walking, and destroy a planet and planetbusters on the level of Hulk at base-level and Silver Surfer as well as Fin Fang Foom and the Mindless one with the energy of s clash in the air.
The left over energy of clash is nothing compared to taking the direct power of his punch since 99 percent of energy from the colliding objects will be cancel ot as they clash.
@wolverine08: Considering Thor himself has been said to move with the speed of a cloud, yeah, it is.
Another god called Thor slow? So what? Anybody can say to anybody no matter how fast they are. It doesn't mean much considering how the fight ended anyway.
Thor's faster than lightning and faster than light. Even gods recognize how great Thor's speed is.
Of course Colossus is nowhere as fast as Thor. Thor is far more powerful.
@dum529001: I have a question. Were the cosmic figures (of planets, speeds, velocity etc.) taken from marvel comics or just based on reality? If from real sources, it would not hold any credibility, unless reinstated in the referenced comic. Userbased calculations are not always accurate. Speculations at best.
incredible levels of speed and force has basis in the real world. You can't ignore that for any character.
I was just reading about some of those. In this manga I was reading, they have horses that go 75mph. Horses doesn't go this fast in the real world, do they? Theres a lot of difference between fiction and real world unless stated otherwise by given feats and numbers. Its ridiculous to even assume if Hulk existed in the real world, with that small body of his, he can possibly exert world breaking strength on spot. Thats impossible. Facts need to come from the respective fictionverse mate.
I just showed you plenty proof of Hulk's world breaking strength. And how is producing world breaking strength on the spot, impossible? That is just how powerful writers make the Hulk.
@dum529001: I have a question. Were the cosmic figures (of planets, speeds, velocity etc.) taken from marvel comics or just based on reality? If from real sources, it would not hold any credibility, unless reinstated in the referenced comic. Userbased calculations are not always accurate. Speculations at best.
incredible levels of speed and force has basis in the real world. You can't ignore that for any character.
@ancient_0f_days: You missed the point I made with my post. Spiderman is not faster than Hulk.
However, a Hulk has also defeated beta ray bill, a Thor dublicate. lol
Hulk is slower than Spider-Man, compare their best and worst feats of reaction speed Spider-Man owns in speed. When you say someone is slow it is usually in comparison to someone who is obviously faster and in the case of a fight, it means combat speed. Quicksilver is able to move at Mach 5 and dodge lightning but he is sloppy to the point where top of the line street levelers have tagged him, Hulk is still not faster even though he can react fast enough to land one hit. Wonder Woman has moved faster than thought when she was fighting, Hulk is a slug to her and would never land a hit if she didn't want her to. So when I say that Hulk is slow here, I mean he is slow.
On top of that Hulk has never definitively beaten Thor in a canon story and Thor has beaten Hulk at least once in canon. Thor is not BRB and Hulk beating him doesn't mean he can beat Thor...
@ancient_0f_days: usually when i adopt the "post one scan" strategy against him he disappears from the thread because he knows he cant prove his claims lol
lol Awesome....
Characters on the level of Hulk and Thor are in another league far above spider-man. Their speed and power is far greater.
Wonder Woman's Feats of speed and strength don't top anything Hulk has done. She has nothing to prove she's more powerful. Hulk's feats are actually better.
"Power" is the rate at which you do "work". Force/Energy flow per unit of time. P= w/t.
"Work" is exerting force on an object(the object exerts a certain level of force) and moving it over a distance. W= F x d
"Force" is mass multipled by an objects rate of motion. F= m x a
The Difference Between Force and Power is: Power is about the amount of energy you produce in a short amount of time. If a planet is moving 100 times the speed of sound and a car moves so fast that it matches the forces of the moving planet, who has more power? They produce the same amount of force but due to the car's superior speed, it is more powerful than the planet because it generated the same amount of force in less time. That's the difference between Force and Power.
Hulk's body is a big AND fast machine like a car because of his great level of power.
First of all let me ask...
Which is greater?
A. the energy required to pull earth out its orbit of the sun
OR
B. the energy required to reverse the planet's orbit, therefore pushing back and overpowering the electromagnetic force the sun puts on the earth?
The answer is B.
If you would actually read it, this is exactly what the Hulk is shown doing in this comic scan:
Overpowering a field of energy endowed with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet(Tales to Astonish#89)
Hulk has the power to move a planet at baseline.
The fact that the field strength needed to be increased is proof that Hulk was contesting that kind of power.
Even so, Hulk showed power to overcome a planet's kinetic energy, which is better than overcoming the force it has while it's just sitting there in its static state.
It takes 632 quadrillion 850 trillion megatons(6.3285*10^17) just to stop the earth's orbit. Hulk overpowered energy that could not only stop a planet's orbit but reverse it as well, which means Hulk was able to put out even more power than that.
The gravitational binding energy of earth is 224 nontillion joules(224,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). There is 4 quadrillion 184 trillion joules per megaton(1 Mt = 4,184,000,000,000,000 J). Therefore, it takes 53 quadrillion 537 trillion 285 billion megatons to smash earth to smithereens(5.3537285*10^16). That's as much energy as the sun produces in a week! According to what Hulk has shown, Hulk can also destroy a planet at his baseline power level.
Do you know how fast a 1 ton object has to move to put out energy equal to earth's orbital energy?
Since it takes 632 quadrillion 850 trillion megatons or 2 decillion 700 nontillion joules(2.7*10^33)to stop earth's orbit then we just need input 1 ton as our mass value and solve for the speed.
2.7*10^33 Joules=½(1000 kg)(X meters per second)^2
X^2= 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (find the square root of 90 nontillion)
X= 9.486833*10^15= 9,486,833,000,000,000 m/s(the value of X found!!!)
That's 9 quadrillion 486 trillion 833 billion meters per second.
9,486,833,000,000,000 meters per second/299,792,458 meters pers second= 31644668.6594
That's 31 million 644 thousand 668 times the speed of light!(with decimal points) An incredible display of Hulk's superhuman speed.
Planetary Orbital Speeds:
Mercury - 47.8725 km/sec = 107,000MPH= Mach 138
Venus - 35.0214 km/sec =78,350 MPH= Mach 102
Earth - 29.7859 km/sec = 66,630 MPH= Mach 85
Mars - 24.1309 km/sec = 54,000 MPH= Mach 70
Jupiter - 13.0697 km/sec =29,240 MPH= Mach 38
Saturn- 9.6724 km/sec = 21,640 MPH= Mach 26
Uranus - 6.8352 km/sec = 15,290 MPH= Mach 17
Neptune - 5.4778 km/sec = 12,250 MPH= Mach 15
Pluto (TNO, or dwarf planet)=10,700 MPH= Mach 14
At a second meeting years later, The Stranger recognize that Hulk was even stronger than before because once again, Hulk shrugs off the energy that the Stranger uses in an attempt to render him motionless in Marvel Two-In-One annual #2:
Here's Hulk doing a feat of great cosmic proportions once again:
Applying force to the space-time structure itself to prevent the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure (Defenders#3)(with the size of the singularity estimated in about seven feets according to the Schwarzschild radius, then it's mass/gravitational attraction, by the equivalence principle, is thus equivalent to roughly two hundreds Earths),
Hulk matches power and withstands attacks from Galaxy Master, a foe with planet-splitting power, not once but twice! in incredible Hulk #112and incredible Hulk #270:
Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master, from Incredible Hulk #112:
One of the Hulk's sons, Hiro-Kala, has the power to throw a planet at the earth with planet-busting force with the use of two power sources known as the "old-power" and "new-power" but the Hulk resists his power in Incredible Hulks #615-16:
World War Hulk vs Hiro Kala, from Incredible Hulks #615-16:
Hulk causes earthquakes around the world through the force of the punches he exhanges with a couple of gamma-empowered boars in Incredible vol 3. #1-3:
The sun produces 90 megatons in a nanosecond and about 90 billion megatons in a second. That's the kind of power Hulk and Thor have. In fact, Hulk and Thor have exceeded this kind of power.
Letting yourself be hit does not make you slow. Its like saying if a powerhouses, who isn't effectiveed by bullets, doesn't doge bullers verytime they are shot at him so he must be slower than bullets.
And dodging something doesn't even mean your speed is equal to what you're dodging. Dodging the aim of a projectile traveling in linear motion by moving right before its aim is on you is not a real feat of speed. It doesn't make you as fast or faster than what you dodged. Aim-dodging is used by non-superhumns all the time and we know they are not faster than bullets, or faster than rockets or faster than light.
Spiderman isn't even faster than sound. Hulk makes supersonic shockwavces by punching or clapping his hands. Can Spider-man create near nuclear waves that shatter tanks merely by clapping his hands? I don't think so.
@ancient_0f_days: I have the big graphic novel it may have been his next appearance after hunter prey he fought wonder woman and manhunter and flash and he did nothing to show he was any faster than hulk he was controlled by brainiac I will read it again later.
That's called Doomsday Wars....and I showed you what he did to make himself faster than Hulk...he stopped Superman who was flying at him at super speed dead in his tracks and then grabbed a flying Superman who was obviously moving at super speeds by his thighs and gut punched him before he could react....Hulk can barely lay a hand on Spider-man. You can stop whenever you like.
Spidey has Spider sense. It increases his reaction time than in base for the span of the sense tingle thing. Its not actual speed, if you must know.
Hulk as seen here, has no real problem with tagging speed freaks. What spidey has is reaction speed. You don't seriously mean to say spiderman is faster than someone who can jump from country to country, do you?
Guess who else tagged him, Spider-Man, Captain America and Gambit. Wolverine also tagged a speedster. So I guess we can congratulate Hulk for being as fast as a streetleveler...And as for Spider-Man being slower than Hulk....
Hulk grabbed him once this entire encounter and then they both gave up...Spider-Man is faster than the guy who can jump from state to state...as if that matters, lol so what if a guy can jump far, if he can't move his arms as fast as someone else he's slower than them case and point...
Letting yourself be hit does not make you slow. Its like saying if a powerhouse, who isn't affected by bullets, doesn't doge bullets every time they are shot at him so he must be slower than bullets.
And dodging something doesn't even mean your speed is equal to what you're dodging. Dodging the aim of a projectile traveling in linear motion by moving right before its aim is on you is not a real feat of speed. It doesn't make you as fast or faster than what you dodged. Aim-dodging is used by non-superhumans all the time and we know they are not faster than bullets, or faster than rockets or faster than light.
Spider-man isn't even faster than sound. Hulk makes supersonic shockwaves by punching or clapping his hands. Can Spider-man create near nuclear waves that shatter tanks merely by clapping his hands? I don't think so.
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