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@deaditegonzo said:

@houseshm: His blows can shake the planet and vibrate through the atmosphere.

Relevant, because once again, these sorts of blows took Thor out of the fight with Sentry temporarily.

True, and its not a minor feat since it shows great power, although Thor and other top tier Marvel powerhouses have done things much better than this.

producing tens of megatons of force with a punch, like 16 megatons, is the same as accelerating a billion tons of earth at 24 times the speed of sound.

Hulk being the smaller object, would being giving the same force, but be moving at greater speed.

That's one basic example of Hulk power. Obviously, the Hulk is way more powerful than that.

Another example of power is his jumping abilty. No mattter how strong you are, you need great speed to cover vast distances before the gravity of earth pulls you down.

The basis of Hulk's power is gamma rays. That's energy that comes from vibrating very fast.

The speed at which electromagnetic waves go in the horizontal direction isn't what gives them their great power. The mass of the wave is so tiny that the speed means nothing, even going at lightspeed.

Gamma waves are transverse waves, like all other elecetromagnetic raditaion. Their maximum power is not determined by how fast they move in the horizontal direction, but on how fast they shake up and down. The true power of the wave does not move in the same direction that it makes its long distance travels.

Hulk physical power is gamma rays, which is electromagnetic field that vibrates super-fast. So fast do these waves vibrate that they give off energy that is equaivalent to a great many tiny masses each individually moving at light-speed. Combine those masses and speeds and see what you get. The perdpendicular oscsillation of a gamma ray is so fast that an electromagnetic wave travels no more than picometer in its horizontal motion within the same moment one oscillation has been completed in the perpendicular direction.

Large quantities of gamma rays are emitted by the sun and gamm ray bursts can light up a universe and outshine all other stars for a brief time.

People don't have a problem with you just becasue you support Superman in a "Hulk vs Superman" debate, they have a problem with you becasue you show great bias when you constantly lowball Hulk and other characters. Some people have a problem because of the specific reasons you give for Superman's chances in a fight not becasue you are a fan and choose in Superman's favor.

Lowballing a character doesn't show you are fan, it just shows that you are willing to lie about the abilities of a certain character to make you're opinion of a battle seem right in favoring the another character. Someone who's willing to practice dishonesty like that is obviously a hater. They hate facts that pertain to that character that they don't support and thus, on some level, hate that character, ignoring facts about them while showing favoritism for the other more favored character by not doing the same to them.

How is it stupid to say Hulk can move at light-speed and beyond give how powerful Hulk is?

What Hulk does isn't just about strength its about power. Power is the rate at which a force travels.

If the two objects produce the same force, which is faster? The one that's smaller is faster. How much faster depends on the difference in size. The fact the Hulk can move things more massive than him at great speeds demonstrates how much greater his own speed is. It shows his power.

#1.When you create great vibration through the earth by punching it and you are nowhere as big as the earth that's power. The force of Hulk's punch is translated into an earthquake. The force of the quaking earth and Hulk fist will be the same but the Hulk is the far smaller object, so he is mush faster. Earthquakes can easily travel 24 times the speed of sound. Hulk, being the smaller object, is much faster despite having equivalent force.

#2. When Hulk makes a thunderclap(a sonic boom) equal to that a nuclear bomb, he surpasses the sound barrier, leaving ripples of explosions and and implosions through the air behind his hands, his speed and force of his hands pushing forth a massive wall of air at hundreds of times the speed of sound, that takes power.

#3. Hulk's jumps have shown to be many times faster than sound. Travel a hundred miles in a single bound means you're going 400 times the speed of sound. Travel 1000 miles in a single bound and that's 4000 times the speed of sound. Not to mention Hulk has leaped to escape velocity more than once.

#4. Hulk has had people measure his power, which is how great and how fast a force is transfered over distance, and it is virtually beyond measure.

When people try to measure "Hulk power, they find it to greater than anything on earth and have trouble measuring it. Hulk has demonstrated to more powerful than any nuclear force on the planet with astronomical feats of power.

Hulk's is a nuclear equivalent. His striking feats are nuclear. Nuclear force that surpasses anything on earth. He sends out shockwaves of nuclear proportions. Mountain busting, continent leveling nukes have nothing on the Hulk. Hulk has shown power on the level with or surpassing, celestial objects such as stars and planets. Nothing to indicate slowness there, but the opposite.

#5. Hulk's power is gamma rays.

The speed at which electromagnetic waves go in the horizontal direction isn't what gives them their great power. The mass of the wave is so tiny that the speed means nothing, even going at lightspeed.

Gamma waves are transverse waves, like all other elecetromagnetic raditaion. Their maximum power is not determined by how fast they move in the horizontal direction, but on how fast they shake up and down. The true power of the wave does not move in the same direction that it makes its long distance travels.

Hulk physical power is gamma rays, which is electromagnetic field that vibrates super-fast. So fast do these waves vibrate that they give off energy that is equaivalent to a great many tiny masses each individually moving at light-speed. Combine those masses and speeds and see what you get. The perdpendicular oscsillation of a gamma ray is so fast that an electromagnetic wave travels no more than picometer in its horizontal motion within the same moment one oscillation has been completed in the perpendicular direction.

Large quantities of gamma rays are emitted by the sun and gamm ray bursts can light up a universe and outshine all other stars for a brief time.

@erkan12 said:

@seekquaze said:

Yes, they can. Leaping only requires leg muscles to cross long distances. The leaping like Spider-Man or Batroc the Leaper is different from the versions guys like the Hulk use. I have never seen or heard of the hulk leaping around like Spider-Man.

Show me your proof then. You are claiming something without any proof. The reason Hulk has super leap is not just super strength. Only Beast and Spidey can do that but much more shorter version, and both of them has great agility and reflexes.

You can have great strength through great mass but speed is what's needed to leap great distances before gravity pulls you back down.

Hulk strength is the power of gamma rays. That is strength obtained by the massive speed of a mass, not the amount of mass. Hulk's strength does not come from mass. The force Hulk puts out is extremely rapid.

Mass is factor but a tiny and majorly insignificant one when it comes to the strength of the Hulk.

Wasn't it obvious Hulk was taking it easy in that arm wrestling match and the at Ben couldn't even begin to compare to Hulk?

I'll double check it later i guess....

Why did someone say he's slower than bullets, then? How ridiculous can you get?

Hulk reacts when he wants to. The better his opponent, the more effort he makes to use actually his reflexes. That's what the comic that was just referenced basically saying.

@ghostravage said:

@vance_astro said:

@ghostravage said:

I'm a little rusty on my Hulk knowledge. I'm behind on Indestructible Hulk & I haven't read any other Hulk material in quite a while, what I can say though is I specifically remember the first time Hulk appeared in a Daredevil book. Hulk had quite a hard time hitting him. Of course because he would have died, they didn't let Hulk SMASH! after he was finally able to tag him but it took quite some time. Not saying this one showing means Hulk doesn't have the speed to tag street levelers but Laura is faster than most street levelers and even a peak human like Cap or a superhuman like Spider-Man shouldn't be able to easily tag her. Not, just because she's so fast but because she's skilled at dodging.

Also the supposed instance where Hulk "speed blitzed" those characters that are two fast for the eye to see in Indestructible Hulk i've seen people try and use that scan as proof of Hulk's great speed but I think those scans have actually been misinterpreted, I read that issue several times, thinking I missed something...I don't think he speed blitzed anyone.

Exactly, Street Levelers constantly dodge bullets and lasers whether is because of aim dodging or because they are incredibly skilled at it. Hulk punches and grabs are not supersonic, not even his Thunderclap, which makes him slower than bullets, however, he does react and attacks in a way that makes street levelers struggle to not get tagged.

While you have that instance, i have Hulk tagging Wolverine more than once before he could even land a hit on him, say trying to dodge him and get caught in middle air. Spider-Man has suffered from the same and he has a Spider-Sense to fall on while Hulk only has his calculating brain. As for Daredevil he does posses, IMO, a meta-human reaction speed. He constantly deflects bullets with his billy clubs after they're being fired, that should be enough to dodge Hulk for some time.

That being said, i would like to point out Hulk does tends to hold back A LOT against Street Levelers. It has been showed time and time again when he reaches some level of anger he doesn't care anymore and just aims to actually damage the character in question which happens to find itself unable to dodge him like before, most of times it happens against Wolverine... I wonder why? Funny to say, it was actually stated on panel in his current solo series...

Anyway, Hulk has some quite good feats to suggest he should be more than able to tag those street levelers with ease, take for example Avengers Season One where he actually deals with all of them, granted, it was for a short period, but in a 1v1 fight, you know what i mean...

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Anyway, since i think you'd agree with me Hulk has Super Human reflexes and Combat Speed, let's approach Indestructible Hulk #12.

I hardly doubt i would misinterpret such instance when i had to deal with God_Spawn several times due to this problem, i've made myself learn and analyze every single feat im going to pull out, several times to avoid correction. Moreover, i don't know how one could misinterpret such instance if Hulk is pictured as a single silhouette with multiple arms punching 3 Meta-Human cowboys that were moving faster than Kid Colt could see who actually fought "speedsters" back in the day let alone being a quite decent marksman. Even if you consider Hulk surprising them, there's absolutely no way to discard the fact he punched the 3 of them and none reacted to him...

For some Meta-Humans that were fast enough to turn Colt .45's into gatling guns as well as being confirmed by Banner's robotic calculations to be moving at Super Speed.

I find quite hard to think they would be tagged by someone who is slower than them since they were already "blitzing" people slower than them... If anything, i think there isn't much to misinterpret about the instance when the facts are there, on top of that Hulk's speed being showcased, mentioned and acclaimed in Hickman's Avengers, Indestructible Hulk and Infinity.

Hope you agree with me...

On a side note: I don't know if it's the best to forcibly introduce Hulk into this thread since he's not here :/.

You can't make sonic boom without exceeding the speed of sound. Hulk makes powerful, nuclear-level sonic booms so we know he's many time faster tha sound. So, yeah, Hulk is faster than a bullet.

Not to mention Hulk has thrown things bigger than himself with the speed of missle.

Why are you always saying Hulk is slower than bullets when that's clearly not true?

@powerwoman said:

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when wonder woman fight "doomsday"(which even not real doomsday)she needs help,she not fight doomsday by herself:

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When wonder woman alone:

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Final,wonder woman get 10x times stronger than before:

But doomsday was frozen:

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That why wonder woman kill him,even superman said:

"Diana smashed doomsday into dust with a single punch!i know she was powerful but..."

"Then,it wasnt REALLY doomsday ater all"

Serious,why not post them?Who is a lie?wonder woman fight doomsday?Never!even she best day who need help to do that

Everytime when wonder woman meets doomsday would be like:

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Wonder woman get destroyed in Post-crisis and even New 52

That looks fun.

Nice double standard.