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#1 Edited by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger:

#1. Mongoose never blitzed Thor in that instance because mongoose couldn't even land any hits while Thor could.

#2. Being rushed by a god who's speed is not ever referenced does not prove Thor lacks great superhuman speed. In fact, it proves nohing in regards to speed.

#3. In Thor's fight with Wolverine he was cut off mid sentence which means he never admitted Wolverine was faster than him. And you forget the part of the fight where Wolverine gets smacked and Thrown by Thor before receiving a bolt of lightning with Thor saying that he's done holding back.

#4. Silver has certainly used in his speed when he's fought Thor.

#5. Quoting someone who doesn't write Thor books does not erase what numerous other writers of Thor have done, including the guy who created Thor, Stan Lee.

#6. Masterson Thor was ignorant of Thor's powers despite having them. Even Thor realized that. Even so, looking at all of Masterson Thor's feats, he has displayed superhuman speed and perception more than opposite.

#2 Edited by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage: And then he has said the oppposite, like when he says he actually CAN perceive his movements at lightspeed as well as other lightspeed objects.

#3 Edited by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage: Hulk, Thor and Hyperion can perceive their own striking speed so what you said about Superman when it comes to perception and combat speed is pointless.

Combat speed is about striking speed and perception speed. People on team 1 have plenty of that.

Arguing someone can't keep up with their own fists is just being ridiculous.

#4 Posted by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage: Superman has not shown superior speed when it comes to striking. Striking that is like a nuclear weapon is about speed.

#5 Posted by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@dum529001 said:

@lvenger said:

Except that there's a clear contrast between Superman and Wonder Woman's combat speed with how fast Thor can move. Thor has been blitzed by street levellers at least half a dozen times. It's not bad writing or jobbing if it happens on a consistent basis. Therefore, why would there be any differing proof that Thor has anything beyond street level speed at best in combat?

Half a dozen times of low-showings isn't all that consistent considering the character has 60 years of history.

What about the dozens upon dozens of times Thor has shown to be extremely fast? Things like that are way more consistent to the character than a few low-showings.

And in that 60 years of history he's had more consistent low speed showings than high speed showings. Why do you persist in believing otherwise? I would never be able to delude myself into holding such a blatantly incorrect view when the evidence for Thor's slow is right in front of you. You must have quite the talent to continue holding such wrong and incorrect opinions on this subject matter when all arguments and evidence state otherwise.

Actually you are very delusional if you think Thor doesn't have more showings for extreme speed than he does for the opposite.

#6 Edited by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

Except that there's a clear contrast between Superman and Wonder Woman's combat speed with how fast Thor can move. Thor has been blitzed by street levellers at least half a dozen times. It's not bad writing or jobbing if it happens on a consistent basis. Therefore, why would there be any differing proof that Thor has anything beyond street level speed at best in combat?

Half a dozen times of low-showings isn't all that consistent considering the character has 60 years of history.

What about the dozens upon dozens of times Thor has shown to be extremely fast? Things like that are way more consistent to the character than a few low-showings.

#7 Edited by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall said:

@dum529001: Age of Sentry is not canon and was merely a story Reed Richard told of him to Franklin.

Furthermore Paul Jenkins himself explained how these old looking scans might not have been his true origin.

There are also other references to power of the million exploding sun not being an accurate description of his power.

For example Civil War Files

Or Storming Asgard

Hope this helps.

People being unsure of Sentry does not make his origin non-cannon. Characters are uncertain about it because Sentry warps the reality of the 616 Marvel universe. Reed telling the Sentry origin as a bedtime story doesn't make it untrue consider sentry's comics are made from Sentry's memory of how the serum tapped into a extra-universal force described as the power of a million exploding suns.

Sentry's mental instability combined with his reality warping power make him crazier than a regular crazy person. You could trick Sentry into believing EVERYTHING is a delusion and he would believe it whether or not its true because he is just that crazy. The Sentry is so crazy he made everyone temporarily, including himself, forget he existed and yet the memory eraser didn't fully work on himself or the Hulk.

The people in S.H.I.E.L.D. not knowing how to classify Sentry in the "Civil War files" or others saying his power is beyond measure or repeat the statement of him having the power of a million exploding suns does not discredit the Sentry either.

A bit of confusion occurs when you're a universe reality warping, temporary memory erasing guy who hates himself and his super-powers so much he wishes to believe the whole of reality isn't real at certain times.

Yes, he was revealed to be a drug addict instead of an innocent little boy, but other than that the origin is the same in regards to how his power works.

#8 Edited by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001: Age of Sentry is non canon. /fail

Actually it is.

And the explanation of his powers is the same on Marvel's website and anywhere else.

#9 Posted by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@sophia89: @lvenger: This was an interesting debate, i will admit, at first i thought Lvenger was going for an uphill battle when Void was permitted in the CaV. That said, Lvenger tackled Sophia's arguments head on and showed precisely why Sentry is such a hard character to be argued for. He has WAY too much hyperbole and character to character overhype as well as lacking more times than not the feats to support such hype.

Im impressed with Lvenger's knowledge on the Herald as well as Sophia's on Sentry, although, Sophia used some instances coupled with seemingly flawed arguments that subtracted from his debate overall, the same can't be said about Lvenger although there were minimal things i would have pointed out but in the debate itself they were noted.

An example of Sophia's arguments... The Absorbing Man instance, how would you confirm Absorbing Man was operating the same level as he was when he fought Odin or Thor while using a comic that doesn't have any relation exploitable to the other instance? It's just one of the few things i kept seeing as the debate progressed. Lvenger did a fantastic job addressing these kind of flaws and even though people calim he came off a bit aggressive, i didn't feel it that way and actually reminded me of myself while debating about a topic im well versed with.

As for Lvenger, i don't entirely agree with your Planet Hulk's instance, and pardon my obvious focus on Hulk's points. While both of them were weakened in the instance, the way you addressed Silver Surfer's potential stomp over them wasn't exactly accurate. First of all, Hulk didn't want to fight Silver Surfer at first whereas Silver Surfer was more than willing to kill them all, he was broken. Moreover, assuming it would have taken all of them to beat Silver Surfer when it only took Hulk 3 punches to knock him down AFTER his subjugation disk was destroyed doesn't hold much IMHO.

With nothing more to say, I'm genuinely flattered by both of you. I would've never expected to be cited on CaVs, let alone 3 times. I salute you both and know im deeply grateful for taking my knowledge as legit. Great debate nonetheless.

Lvenger gets my vote, by a quite an understandable margin in my eyes. Keep it up Sophia, while i don't consider you to be on Lvenger's tier, you surely have potential to be up there. *2 thumbs up*

Hope this break down gives off the constructive critic you're waiting for.

What is said about Sentry isn't hyperbole.

And Sentry power ls recognized by everyone. Reed Richard(Mr. Fantastic), Tony stark(Iron man), And Dr.Strange. The guy who created Sentry says that the serum that Robert Reynolds drunk draws power from another dimension of a million exploding suns.

Age of the Sentry #1-5:

#10 Posted by dum529001 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001 said:

@mrtummytumms said:
@thewalkingdeadpool18 said:

@mrtummytumms said:

@thewalkingdeadpool18: MoS was garbage? What's your definition of a good movie?

hmmmmm i would probbably say a good movie....is a good movie. MOS had complete utter trash writing. Terrible script,terrible characterizations of awesome comic book characters, wooden acting, all the acting and character were wooden they had no personality and apparently none of these talented actor decided to try and ACT in the movie. The only people who like MOS are DC fanboys and people who like MOS for the bayfest second half of the movie with Zod and Superman.

Ehh that's your opinion.

1. Have a bunch of speeches about being a savior of the earth

And then..........

Have superman act all mopey and not show the reason why he does what he does and why its worth it. The motive of the hero is what makes a superhero movie. Also, Clark's adopted dad has illogical morals. Does Superman end up inheriting this?

2. And then have the movie be dimly lit to make it look even more depressing. When did a Superman movie become a Batman movie? Even Batman movies don't look this dark and depressing.

And why is the camera shaking on certain scenes?!

And then they try to make Superman seem down to earth like Batman but he can't be,never has been and never will be. He's a superpowered alien immagrant that grew up as native, not a man in suit with some great toys on a tool-belt.

3. Then have CG that looks as real as the graphics of an outdated game console.

Also, not only does the CG looks fake when not moving, it also looks fake while in motion. The scenes attempting to display superhuman speed just look like they pressed the fast forward button. Punches and fighting motions did not have any gradual acceleration, where top speed is reached in a fraction of a second but not instantly.

If half the movie is fighting then at least make it look somewhat believable. I've seen CG from the 2000 or 2003, that's looks better than this movie that came out in 2013. If CG from a decade or more ago is better than something that's from current times, then the CG being used in the specified movie is garbage.

4. And why is Lois Lane showing up everywhere just for easy ways to move the plot along? Nothing but cheap Plot Convenience. Also, how Pa Kent, Superman adopted father died was just a plot convenience.

5. Superman wrecks some guys car just because he got insulted. Why would Superman abuse his power like that?

This movie was a total disgrace to Superman. The worst Superman movie to date.

That's just your opinion.

The movie made no sense.

Even Zod has no real motives in this movie. Why would living as being with power superior to everyone else be difficult? "Oh no, my herculean-level powers will be the death of me!" said no one EVER.

By the way, I added two more paragraphs to my original post about the movie.