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#1 Posted by dorsk188 (236 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm bored to tears with "evil counterparts", especially when most of these characters already have an evil counterpart of themselves in their regular rogues' gallery. Zoom already is evil Flash. Sinestro already is evil Green Lantern. Superman already has Cyborg Superman and Bizarro and General Zod (and probably a half-dozen others that no one remembers). The only difference is these characters (with the exception of Bizarro perhaps) all have an actual backstory that explains why they aren't just carbon copies of the hero with extra toner. They are "evil" for a reason other than they just come from a Star Trek-style parallel universe where everyone is evil. It's the laziest kind of time-filler juvenile 10-year-old on a playground sort of storytelling imaginable.

That was acceptable in the doldrums of the Silver Age, but we should be better than that now.


#2 Posted by dorsk188 (236 posts) - - Show Bio

@herokiller12344 said:

@shika1dude: A homage to something that happened 2 years ago? For God's sakes.

Finally, someone in the comments with some perspective....

And the idea of fighting "dark reflections" is interesting and all, if it hadn't been done a million times. How many times do we have to watch Superman fight evil-Superman with nigh-identical powers? This obsession with "dark versions" of the heroes is about as gripping as the Justice League posing in front of their bathroom mirror making faces.

#3 Edited by dorsk188 (236 posts) - - Show Bio

Cruising the forum for inspiration and hit on an idea I liked. Quick and dirty sketch, but I like how it turned out (a quick color job helped sell the amalgamation, imo). Personally, I've never been a huge fan of the Inhumans or the New Gods, but they would have meshed well.* Never posted anything in ComicVine's artist forum before, so if I did this wrong, sorry. Thanks for the inspiration.

*Scratch that, apparently they WERE merged in the official Amalgam comics, or at least the Forever People and the Inhumans were. Should have done my research first. Well, seeing as Karnak was folded into this abomination and, as far as I can tell, my favorite New God character doesn't seem to have been Amalgam'd at all, I like mine better. :)

#4 Posted by dorsk188 (236 posts) - - Show Bio

This is the only correct answer, as far as I'm concerned.

#5 Posted by dorsk188 (236 posts) - - Show Bio

That's the danger of being in a team book.  One action or event can become your entire biography and you'll be Flanderized forever.  Hank is (potentially) a complicated character occupying a solid grey area, rather than the black and white that too often dominates the medium. 
I think the final result of whether Hank will be forgiven rests with Jan.  If they get back together and all is forgiven, I think he will be able to live it down.  I hope they do work it out, because the cartoon that's on now is really exploring their relationship in an interesting way, and the comics could use something like that.

#6 Posted by dorsk188 (236 posts) - - Show Bio
@rarecheshire said:
I think it's kinda creepy, and a horrible thing to do. You should never date one of your ex's family members.
Spare me.  Only an upright, moral guardian on his high-horse would have standards that high.  It's not like the guy's Superman or Captain Ameriwait-a-minute... 
In any case, Sharon was probably born in the 70's, and for all we know Peggy could die in the war or years before Cap is unfrozen.  As the distance between WWII and Cap's unfreezing gets longer, it becomes much less objectionable.  Back when Cap was "first" unfrozen, only 20 years or so had passed and Peggy may have been rightfully peeved that Steve wasn't at least somewhat interested in her...  (More like the first Austen Powers movie with Mimi Rogers, although I doubt there's a straight man alive who wouldn't have tried his luck with Liz Hurley circa 1999).
#7 Edited by dorsk188 (236 posts) - - Show Bio

It depends on what she's like in the movie.  The Nolanized Joker was a fairly radical departure from the comics, but it worked for the movie.  If they go for a high-class burglar, then she'll probably look a lot like the Cooke design.  If she's more in the Miller (WHORES WHORES WHORES) or Burton (crazy suicidal Crow groupie) vein then something a little more sexualized or demented might be in order.  Seeing as Nolan tends to cut to the bone of the character, I would suspect Selena won't even be all that villainous.  Probably hired by Bane to discover Batman's identity or something like that.  More of a mercenary Molotov Cocktease type to Batman's Brock Samson. 

They're "fighting". 
Honestly, I think there's a lot of valid interpretations of Catwoman out there. For all the hatred I have for Tim Burton, I think he created an interesting character in Returns' Catwoman, and her costume was downright perfect for that character.  Stitched together from a normal jacket into something twisted, it reflected her character (with her own mania literally bursting through the seams of her remaining sanity) perfectly.  Crappy movie, but the costume design was top notch for Catwoman.
#8 Edited by dorsk188 (236 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle: I see where you're coming from.  Maybe my expectations are too low for Marvel animated stuff.  Compared to the mid-90's, the modern slate of shows are definitely better (with the arguable exception of the original X-Men series), so maybe I'm being a Pollyanna.  Compared to DC, I certainly agree Marvel's stuck in the minor leagues.  You're definitely right that Yost seems most comfortable in the Saturday morning mold, but I think it works for some heroes (Fantastic Four) where it doesn't for others.  I think one of the things Marvel really needs is someone with a strong personal art style (like Timm) to provide some consistency...
#9 Posted by dorsk188 (236 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle: Well, I'll just clarify quickly.  A lot of the animated series Yost has been involved in have questionable art design, but I think they've ultimately gotten the core of the characters, which is the hardest (and most important) part of an adaptation.  I was very skeptical about the recent Fantastic Four series, for example, but on the whole, the stories were pretty enjoyable and the characters fairly well-portrayed.  I can be a solid stick in the mud most of the time, but I actually laughed outloud to a lot of Johnny's antics.  I don't think I've ever found the Human Torch funny before that series.  I went into Iron Man: Armored Adventures expecting to hate it, I despised the animation style, it felt cheap and out-dated.  I didn't like the idea of Stark as a kid, and every character was largely divorced from the originals.  But around the 6th or 8th episode, it really clicked with me, and I'm looking forward to season 2.
So, to sum up: most of the Marvel animated stuff has horrible art design and most of the early episodes on these series are a little rough, but ultimately there's an affection for the source material that comes through.  I'm attributing that to Yost who I think is the story editor for both series...   I guess I don't know for sure where that affection comes from.  There are other guys who were involved with a lot of these projects, too.   Marvel doesn't have their version of Bruce Timm by a long shot, but even though the record's a bit rockier, I would count their animated series as successful adaptations heavily influenced by fanboys .
#10 Posted by dorsk188 (236 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle said:
Comic creators and film writing don't mix, Look at Daredevil, didn't Kevin Smith write that?   
You're going to make me defend Kevin Smith, aren't you?  Daredevil was written and directed by some other guy **checks IMDB** Mark Steven Johnson.  There was talk of him writing a script or directing it, but he ultimately passed (I think is the story).  If anything, Smith shouldn't write comics.  I waited for 2 years for him to finish the fourth issue of the Evil that Men Do, and despite bringing together some of my favorite characters, the story was pretty much a horrible retcon of Black Cat being raped in college... 
In any case, anyone connected to that monstrosity of a film shouldn't be allowed near the Green Lantern character or any movie set again.  But fanboyism doesn't necessarily mean an inability to translate material.  Bruce Timm is clearly a fan, and he's been able to adapt DC comics incredibly well to television and feature-length animated films.  Pretty much everything Chris Yost is involved with in terms of animated Marvel property is good, most of it's great, actually.  He and Greg Johnson spent hours in the Wolverine & the X-Men commentaries geeking out and arguing over the most minute fan trivia I've ever heard.  Sure, these aren't full-length live-action, but I think it's evidence being a fan doesn't mean you can't adapt material.  In Johns' case (as well as the director and writers of Lantern), I think it's probably personal problems and a lack of talent.