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I DONT Understand what Marvel is DOING.

By doordoor123 48 Comments

"We have September’s figures in for page counts versus price for Marvel titles. It’s been noted that more and more Marvel titles have dropped to 20 pages, even those marked at $3.99 instead of $2.99."

-Bleedingcool.com

Why are they doing this in the middle of DC's relaunch? I thought their whole answer to DC's cheaper comics was that they had more pages...GUESS NOT.

I think the Marvel fans can agree with me that Quesada running things over there isn't a very good idea. What do you guys think?

48 Comments
48 Comments
Posted by Adnan

Don't DC's $2.99 titles have 22 pages though...

I want some of what Quesada is smoking.

Posted by EnSabahNurX

It's ridiculous how little we get for how much we pay, while I'm reading a comic i immediately notice the number of pages decreasing because the story seems like it gets cutoff, they simply flood the comic with even more ads, more ads less panels. They say its 32 pages but minus the ads and yea its about 20

Marvel also needs to lower it's prices, $3.99 is a bit excessive for a title and then it's like $4.99 for an event

I like dc's $2.99 rule

Posted by SC

I don't know, sorta sounds like all those people criticizing DC Reboot without giving it a chance as decided by my personal discretion. I prefer to blindly love DC and Marvel no matter what least someone call me on my hypocrisy.  
 
More seriously though *shrugs* I buy books I like. 

Edited by doordoor123

@EnSabahNurX said:

It's ridiculous how little we get for how much we pay, while I'm reading a comic i immediately notice the number of pages decreasing because the story seems like it gets cutoff, they simply flood the comic with even more ads, more ads less panels. They say its 32 pages but minus the ads and yea its about 20

Marvel also needs to lower it's prices, $3.99 is a bit excessive for a title and then it's like $4.99 for an event

I like dc's $2.99 rule

Yeah I'm right with you. And there are some comics at Marvel where literally nothing happens that you think were necessary. Like the pre-Schism issues. I forgot what exactly they're called. But NOTHING happened.

Posted by doublezeroduck

Well guys that's why I wait until they are in collected edition for around $20-$25. Still get my comic fix and don't need to deal with all the ads and also I don't have to wait to read the whole story arc.

I'm not a "collector" though. I don't care about saving them for the future or selling them for more than I bought them for. I treat them more like a book. Lend them out here and there.

Posted by KainScion

i havent read a marvel comic with 20 pages. either way, why do pages count??? quality not quantity. as for the great dc reboot, get back to me in 3 months and we'll see what their CEO is smoking.

Posted by Adnan

@KainScion said:

i havent read a marvel comic with 20 pages. either way, why do pages count??? quality not quantity.

That's a really strange, roundabout way to think of it. Surely it'd be easier to write a quality story within 22-25-ish pages, than it would within 20 pages? And when your main competitor is offering more pages for the same $3.99 price...

Posted by Trodorne
@Adnan said:

@KainScion said:

i havent read a marvel comic with 20 pages. either way, why do pages count??? quality not quantity.

That's a really strange, roundabout way to think of it. Surely it'd be easier to write a quality story within 22-25-ish pages, than it would within 20 pages? And when your main competitor is offering more pages for the same $3.99 price...

Marvel is all about spreading itself to a wider market and tell stories, its been more of a business for almost a decade and don't care about people who nit pick situations. While I agree 100% with your blog it is stupid on what marvel is doing. They on the other hand do not care what any of us think but only care about the figures. if the figures show that you are still buying the comic even after that then they will keep going. 
 
  I hate to sound negative on that but unless people everywhere want to stop reading marvel for a couple of months which will cause almost total break down of there chain of command cause no money came in for the past two months than do that and your voice will be heard by them. if not then just keep buying into the series.
Posted by WildStyle

This doesn't really phase me . If the book I'm enjoying is good, I'm going to keep buying. I've never counted pages. In fact, I didn't even know about some comic fans obsession with page counting until I started visiting message boards. If the quality is there, I don't have a problem because I'm enjoying the story. Now if the quality dips, that's a whole different story.

Posted by CitizenBane

I'm down to 4 Marvel titles right now, while I picked up 32 of the new 52 titles last month. There's been a steep drop in quality with Marvel. So right now I buy the books whose story I like, regardless of the publicity associated with it. Fear Itself has been very lacklustre, despite Marvel trumpeting it everywhere. Avengers: The Children's Crusade is so much better, and doesn't get half the attention it deserves at the moment.

Posted by CATPANEXE

Attempting to point out fallacy in the competitor to ones preference can create question as to ones faith in their own preference?

Like consistently pointing out ones favorite sports team then trying to point out why the opposing is screwed-up, rather than focusing

on what ones favorite team is doing correctly and what makes them great. Needed to say this, sorry.

Posted by daak1212

Joey Q isnt running stuff anymore. He left before Fear itself

Posted by joshmightbe

Joe Quesada is the worst thing to ever happen to Marvel

Posted by Daveyo520

I do know that DC's cheaper books have helped me buy them over Marvel stuff recently.

Posted by Omega Ray Jay

That's not cool.

Posted by doordoor123

@CATPANEXE said:

Attempting to point out fallacy in the competitor to ones preference can create question as to ones faith in their own preference?

Like consistently pointing out ones favorite sports team then trying to point out why the opposing is screwed-up, rather than focusing

on what ones favorite team is doing correctly and what makes them great. Needed to say this, sorry.

Well my preference was Marvel before Quesada came on board. I still get Marvel comics because I still like some of the creators. So this DOES apply to me.... so I don't really understand who you're talking to. You don't know many of us so I think its wrong to judge us for what were saying.

Posted by Baddamdog

@SC said:

I don't know, sorta sounds like all those people criticizing DC Reboot without giving it a chance as decided by my personal discretion. I prefer to blindly love DC and Marvel no matter what least someone call me on my hypocrisy. More seriously though *shrugs* I buy books I like.

QFT.

Posted by JediXMan
@daak1212 said:

Joey Q isnt running stuff anymore. He left before Fear itself

At least someone knows it.
 
Still, Marvel doesn't know what they're doing. I've mostly dropped Marvel completely due to Fear Itself. It's just more of the same.
Posted by Or35ti

I've dropped Marvel because their books are too damn expensive. Which really sucks because I wanted to get in to the Ultimate Comics relaunch a lot. For a dollar less they would've had my money.

Posted by zombietag

QUESADA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRICES.

let me say that one more time: QUESADA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRICES.

hes such a scape goat and you guys need to get over it. does what youre saying here suck? yes, but it has NOTHING to do quesada at all. it's two different departments of the same company. stop blaming him for everything because you hated OMD.

and people need to stop acting like marvel doesnt care about comics. obviously they do. if you watch interviews with any of them they almost always have a very clear and obvious passion for comics. that alone does not create great comics, but theres no ones at marvel saying "money money money! who care about stories or the fans, we just want money do whatever it takes!!"

Posted by haydenclaireheroes

I think they need to make more of a page count and make their comics cheaper to compete with Dc.

Posted by ReVamp

@Adnan said:

Don't DC's $2.99 titles have 22 pages though...

I want some of what Quesada is smoking.

Yeah, IKR?

Edited by doordoor123

@zombietag said:

QUESADA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRICES.

let me say that one more time: QUESADA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRICES.

hes such a scape goat and you guys need to get over it. does what youre saying here suck? yes, but it has NOTHING to do quesada at all. it's two different departments of the same company. stop blaming him for everything because you hated OMD.

and people need to stop acting like marvel doesnt care about comics. obviously they do. if you watch interviews with any of them they almost always have a very clear and obvious passion for comics. that alone does not create great comics, but theres no ones at marvel saying "money money money! who care about stories or the fans, we just want money do whatever it takes!!"

If they love comics then why have all of their comics gone down hill? It seems that they've been caring more about who is on what team rather than making a good story. I blame Quesada for everything. When he was hired, he should have known he would have been the scapegoat. So yes, i blame him.

Posted by The Poet

I never understood Marvel...

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Posted by The Stegman

....it's only a dollar more

Posted by Sir_Deadpool

maybe they also need to think about the 4.99 and 3.99 thing. because children should always be able to buy comics with ther poket money. its more about them but marvel just wants to get these $-signs all over them. they are still competing against DC even with the new 52 they wont change a thing. thats what i think

Posted by joshmightbe

@zombietag: I know he has nothing to do with pricing but I still stand by my statement

Posted by Deadcool

I don't know, but you don't have to buy them, just buy those that you want to read, if you like Grant Morrison and you also like Superman, you would buy Action Comics, if you like Jonathan Hickman you can try buying the Ultimates tittle, if you want to meet the new Spider-man buy Ultimate Spider-man...

People need to learn to buy comics, is not about complete the story, is about read for that feeling of joy...

Posted by Larkin1388

I only buy comics i like so i dont end up spending too much regardless. Occasionally I'll see what else is out there.

Posted by doordoor123

@Deadcool said:

I don't know, but you don't have to buy them, just buy those that you want to read, if you like Grant Morrison and you also like Superman, you would buy Action Comics, if you like Jonathan Hickman you can try buying the Ultimates tittle, if you want to meet the new Spider-man buy Ultimate Spider-man...

People need to learn to buy comics, is not about complete the story, is about read for that feeling of joy...

But why would I read a Marvel comic that is a dollar more with the same amount of pages when there are DC books that are just as good for the same amount of pages for a dollar cheaper. Im saving money and having the same experience.

Edited by HotSauceCommittee

Really people?
 
1) Shouldn't it be about the quality? Not the price/length
2) It's one dollar
3) In the UK we end up paying around £2.20 (That's $3.40) for 2.99 books, so stop bitching (Fortunately I get 20% discount)
4) Oh and It's one dollar

Posted by Jnr6Lil

Because to be honest no one cares about Fear Itself.

Posted by Deadcool

@doordoor123 said:

But why would I read a Marvel comic that is a dollar more with the same amount of pages when there are DC books that are just as good for the same amount of pages for a dollar cheaper. Im saving money and having the same experience.

Well, if you can't pay for it you don`t have to buy it, it's that simple...

Posted by Jnr6Lil

@Deadcool said:

@doordoor123 said:

But why would I read a Marvel comic that is a dollar more with the same amount of pages when there are DC books that are just as good for the same amount of pages for a dollar cheaper. Im saving money and having the same experience.

Well, if you can't pay for it you don`t have to buy it, it's that simple...

Or download it illegally.

Posted by Adnan

@HotSauceCommittee said:

Really people? 1) Shouldn't it be about the quality? Not the price/length 2) It's one dollar 3) In the UK we end up paying around £2.20 (That's $3.40) for 2.99 books, so stop bitching (Fortunately I get 20% discount)4) Oh and It's one dollar

@Deadcool said:

I don't know, but you don't have to buy them, just buy those that you want to read, if you like Grant Morrison and you also like Superman, you would buy Action Comics, if you like Jonathan Hickman you can try buying the Ultimates tittle, if you want to meet the new Spider-man buy Ultimate Spider-man...

People need to learn to buy comics, is not about complete the story, is about read for that feeling of joy...

Am I missing something here? OP didn't question the quality of Marvel titles. He's saying that this decision is nonsensical, when it's main competor offers the same number of pages for $1 less. Some of you are saying "it's only a dollar", which is fine if you a) only buy a couple titles a month or b) have a lot of money to spend on comics. An extra $1 adds up if you're buying 4+ titles a month.

As far as quality is concerned, couldn't reducing the page count, if anything, reduce quality as well?

Posted by Sir_Deadpool

@Adnan said:

@HotSauceCommittee said:

Really people? 1) Shouldn't it be about the quality? Not the price/length 2) It's one dollar 3) In the UK we end up paying around £2.20 (That's $3.40) for 2.99 books, so stop bitching (Fortunately I get 20% discount)4) Oh and It's one dollar

@Deadcool said:

I don't know, but you don't have to buy them, just buy those that you want to read, if you like Grant Morrison and you also like Superman, you would buy Action Comics, if you like Jonathan Hickman you can try buying the Ultimates tittle, if you want to meet the new Spider-man buy Ultimate Spider-man...

People need to learn to buy comics, is not about complete the story, is about read for that feeling of joy...

Am I missing something here? OP didn't question the quality of Marvel titles. He's saying that this decision is nonsensical, when it's main competor offers the same number of pages for $1 less. Some of you are saying "it's only a dollar", which is fine if you a) only buy a couple titles a month or b) have a lot of money to spend on comics. An extra $1 adds up if you're buying 4+ titles a month.

As far as quality is concerned, couldn't reducing the page count, if anything, reduce quality as well?

absolutly right sir! you last sentence is everything that needed to be said

Posted by doordoor123

@HotSauceCommittee said:

Really people? 1) Shouldn't it be about the quality? Not the price/length 2) It's one dollar 3) In the UK we end up paying around £2.20 (That's $3.40) for 2.99 books, so stop bitching (Fortunately I get 20% discount)4) Oh and It's one dollar

If you haven't heard, the United States has been in an economic pinch.

Posted by zombietag

@doordoor123 said:

@zombietag said:

QUESADA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRICES.

let me say that one more time: QUESADA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRICES.

hes such a scape goat and you guys need to get over it. does what youre saying here suck? yes, but it has NOTHING to do quesada at all. it's two different departments of the same company. stop blaming him for everything because you hated OMD.

and people need to stop acting like marvel doesnt care about comics. obviously they do. if you watch interviews with any of them they almost always have a very clear and obvious passion for comics. that alone does not create great comics, but theres no ones at marvel saying "money money money! who care about stories or the fans, we just want money do whatever it takes!!"

If they love comics then why have all of their comics gone down hill? It seems that they've been caring more about who is on what team rather than making a good story. I blame Quesada for everything. When he was hired, he should have known he would have been the scapegoat. So yes, i blame him.

unfortunately, love for comics does not equal great comics. sry. its certainly a piece of the puzzle, but it is not everything. not to mention some books have been really great recently. ultimate spider-man, amazing spider-man, uncanny x-force, etc.

and really, blaming quesada for other peoples stories, almost makes sense since he was eic. blaming him for prices? absolutely no sense there.

Posted by jrock85

@joshmightbe said:

Joe Quesada is the worst thing to ever happen to Marvel

Posted by Grand Marvelous
@jrock85 said:

@joshmightbe said:

Joe Quesada is the worst thing to ever happen to Marvel

Actually he's the 4th worst thing to happen to Marvel behind the Clone Saga,Heroes Reborn,Company wide events,& Brian Michael Bendis.
Posted by joshmightbe

@Grand Marvelous: Joe hired Bendis

Posted by Grand Marvelous
@joshmightbe said:

@Grand Marvelous: Joe hired Bendis

Right, but when he hired him he was a good writer. He's not now. He turned himself into this monster. Joe isn't going to fire him though because he's putting up #'s.Dark Reign was 100% pure garbage but they sold the hell out of some Avengers. His writing on team books has been god awful though. He has completely ruined everything the Avengers stand for.
Posted by CATPANEXE

@doordoor123: There wasn't a plural amount implied.

Posted by doordoor123

@Grand Marvelous said:

@jrock85 said:

@joshmightbe said:

Joe Quesada is the worst thing to ever happen to Marvel

Actually he's the 4th worst thing to happen to Marvel behind the Clone Saga,Heroes Reborn,Company wide events,& Brian Michael Bendis.

hey man Bendis is a great writer. I love him for Ultimate Spider-Man. Jeph Loeb would make more sense. Why Quesada has been pushing Loeb to the top of Marvel, ill never know.

Posted by Hector

@doublezeroduck said:

Well guys that's why I wait until they are in collected edition for around $20-$25. Still get my comic fix and don't need to deal with all the ads and also I don't have to wait to read the whole story arc.

I'm not a "collector" though. I don't care about saving them for the future or selling them for more than I bought them for. I treat them more like a book. Lend them out here and there.

That's how I get my comic fix too. Way better just to get the graphic novel which includes a series of comics binded together.

Posted by RazzaTazz

I think what comic companies generally need is more a businessperson who understand just enough about comics, as opposed to a comics person who undertands just enough about business. 
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Posted by Grand Marvelous
@doordoor123 said:

hey man Bendis is a great writer. I love him for Ultimate Spider-Man. Jeph Loeb would make more sense. Why Quesada has been pushing Loeb to the top of Marvel, ill never know.

Bendis is writing more books than Loeb and half of them suck.He's done nearly irreparable damage to several characters. 
Posted by doordoor123

@Grand Marvelous said:

@doordoor123 said:

hey man Bendis is a great writer. I love him for Ultimate Spider-Man. Jeph Loeb would make more sense. Why Quesada has been pushing Loeb to the top of Marvel, ill never know.

Bendis is writing more books than Loeb and half of them suck.He's done nearly irreparable damage to several characters.

I only read his Ultimate Spider-Man. And I've read his Moon Knight and Avengers. I guess I don't know any better.

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