Don_Jay

@Man of Lengend said:

@Don_Jay said:

@Man of Lengend said:

my god people your pessimism is so annoying , please see one page of it..!!! before everyone judges this whole book...

The great thing about comic book artists is that if you know their previous work, you know what to expect from their new projects. I case of Land, well, if you saw his run on Uncanny and some ultimate projects he worked on, you can probably photoshop together the first few issues, you just have to change Emma's hair to red , shorter and give her freckles and you got Pepper. Take away Cyke's visor, give him a goatee and you got Tony. Should I continue? Sorry or the pessimism, which in this case is more like experience.

ha ha ha Your examples are great , but you can do that with sooo many artists its insane !! like I'm not saying Land is by any means my favorite , but I am not going to judge a book before seeing it. It makes no sense to me to bash this book yet.

I'm not judging the book (with which I'll probably have a love-hate relationship based on the creative team, but that's still in the future), I'm just expressing my negative opinion about a certain artist's artistic choices (what a fancy way to say: I don't like Land's work. At all.). He's constantly recycling, photocopying, tracing and (worst of all) swiping. All of this result's in images that some might call photo like, but in my opinion the characters look like they've been cut out of other pictures and put on a different background. And once you start tracing from porn, there's no way back...

Yes, a lot of other artists draw characters in a way that they're barely distinguishable form other characters. The only way to tell the difference between Dr.Strange and Reed Richards in Romita Jr.'s work (aside from the costume obviously) it that Strange has a goatee. There are plenty more examples of this with other artists too, but in case of Romita Jr. (yes, I know I'm playing the devil's advocate, I'm well aware how many people are against his art style) he still has a very distinctive, unique art style and the characters he draws are able to have more than 3 facial expressions and look like they are actually inhabit the same space. The same goes for Dillon. I'm not particularly fond of his style (the man should never be allowed to draw 'traditional' cape and tights super hero comics), but it goes well with stories like thhe ones Ennis is writing. I don't get any of that from Land.

Long story short, I'm not bashing the book, I just really don't like the artist, it could've been someone much better.

@Man of Lengend said:

my god people your pessimism is so annoying , please see one page of it..!!! before everyone judges this whole book...

The great thing about comic book artists is that if you know their previous work, you know what to expect from their new projects. I case of Land, well, if you saw his run on Uncanny and some ultimate projects he worked on, you can probably photoshop together the first few issues, you just have to change Emma's hair to red , shorter and give her freckles and you got Pepper. Take away Cyke's visor, give him a goatee and you got Tony. Should I continue? Sorry or the pessimism, which in this case is more like experience.

@Serberus08 said:

@JohnnyWalker said:

yey land's same face females. oh wait..... no it sucks!

Would you rather they had Leifeld on as the entire creative team?

Liefeld's unrealistically buff characters with shoulder-pad fetish vs Land's female faces traced from porn that look like they're all sucking on invisible dicks. Now that's a dilemma.

God, I hate Land's art. But still not as much as when they make Dillon do super heroes.

However what I still can't get over with is the whole renumbering thing. I just read Marvel Previews and it full of last issues. A few year ago Marvel made such a big deal out of the fact that multiple titles hit the 500-600th issues (around Dark Reign-Heroic Age) like the Incredible Hulk, Daredevil, Iron Man and now (or should I say Now) they're throwing all those landmarks out in for a cheap marketing ploy. They already killed off Uncanny, Daredevil, Incredible Hulk and w goes (probably) Iron man. This is just annoying. Making the titles start from #1 might make new readers pick it up, but having an issue number of 500+ just makes a book more prestigious for surviving this long. The renumbering just feels wrong, especially after they made such a big thing about the landmark issues.

@crazyflashfan11: yeah, we went on for a bit longer than usual :D

@Deadcool said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

Yes Marvel ,make him look like the movie version for no reason whatsoever

To the people that watched the movie to be also interested in comics, also the old costme was kinda goofy.

Yeah, because a costume that looks kinda like the one in the movies will help people, who got interested in a Cap comic after the movies, understand the current continuity and supporting characters in the book.

@elayem98 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Don_Jay said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Don_Jay said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Don_Jay said:

@elayem98 said:

@Don_Jay said:

@elayem98 said:

@Don_Jay said:

@elayem98 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

Yes Marvel ,make him look like the movie version for no reason whatsoever

I'm sure the reason is to attract new readers, so when they pick up a cap comic for the first time they don't put it right back down because he is in dorky spandex

The thing about Cap is even if he's in a 'dorky spandex' costume, that's not what matters about him, but the hero and the symbol (crap that sounded like some PR BS). But you have to understand that for most people this isn't THE Captain america costume and never will be. This is just a fad to cash in on the popularity of the movies and the trend to make superheroes look realistic.

I understand. Im sure for longtime readers like you the hero and the symbol and all that about cap will still be there, only difference is now cap can get more new readers with an outfit that isn't dated, and (IMO) look less dorky.

The thing is movies never seem to be able to get more new readers and the changes made in the comics to make them more appealing to the moviegoers usually ends up alienating long time readers. Most people who goes to watch Iron Man, or the Avengers would never pick up a comic book especially not on a regular basis. If the movies and the changes like this would make people who never picked up an issue before do so, the sales wouldn't be down like they are now and we wouldn't see a series cancellation every other week or a renumbering initiative every six months.

haha actually i got into comics after watching THe Dark Knight.

I went to barnes and noble like a week after watching TDK and saw batman: the long halloween TPB, haha i thought it was nerdy at the time, but i bought it anyway, loved it, and now I'm a comic reader, spending a small fortune on as many TPBs or HCs as my money will allow. I've been trying to break into Marvel comics for awhile since I've always been DC, and Marvel NOW will most likely let me.

Awwwww... you're so adorable and naive (minor offense intended). You might be one of the few exceptions, but the fact is, that moviegoers rarely become regular readers and represent a small part in the total number of readers. It's great for you that you tried and liked the comic book experience and I hope you'll be able to get into marvel easily in Now, but chances are against you. Continuity won't change the stories that led to this point will be there especially the ones after 2000 and Bendis' events. If Nova and Rocky will truly play as big a role in the new initiative as the execs say, you probably will have to catch up on space stories starting with Annihilation and everything after.

Exactly.No offense @elayem98 but the number of so the so called mythical movie goer turned comic book reader is negligible.Changing a costume is all well and good but why make it like the ones in the movie which in turn is based off the Ultimate U one? I'm no Cap fan but I just think is silly as not just costumes but continuity itself seems to be changing drastically :(

@Don_Jay There probably would be no reason for him to read annihilation (apart from the awesomeness :)) to catch up on any thing as the new Nova - samwhathisface - is no Rich.I miss Rich but Noooooo Loeb had to take it and do his usual thing to it.

He might might not have to read it, but everything in the cosmic part is so tied together starting with Annihilation that it might be strongly recommended (even out of sheer awesomeness). Btw Rich "died" (yes with the quotation, since there's no permanent death except for uncle Ben and Batman's parents [hope I didn't jinx anything]) in the Thanos Ignition which was done by DnA. I miss Rich too, he became a great character after Annihilation and I miss the ongoing Nova. What I don't understand about this Samgengericguy is how he got to be a Nova. It was stated clearly in Thanos imperative #6 and the Devastation one-shot afterwards that Rich drained all the Nova force from Quasar and the probies and he Worldmind shut down completely after the Fault was sealed and they couldn't awaken it. Ergo there's no Nova force in the universe which is kinda a requirement for a Nova corpsman. Plus who is this Samicantrememberhislastname guy? He wasn't a probie, so what's his connection to the Corps? When i first saw him in Point one I honestly hoped that is was Robbie, that he figured out a way to reboot the Worldmind and restore a small portion of the force. But no, they had to bring in a new character who as it turned out to be is based on the Nova in the USM cartoon just to capitalize on that. This is what I hate. Leave the comics alone, don't try to make them like the movies and cartoons, because it doesn't work. Draw inspiration them for awesome stuff like the Avengers movie, but don't try to mash them together. Oh and I still hope Rich will return soon which might be implied by the one of the Now teasers that shows (a) Star Lord, which I really hope is not another new character hust connect it to the GotG movie or something, but the real one and if he could return somehow, there might be hope for Rich. http://marvel.com/images/gallery/story/19038/who_will_shape_the_future_of_marvel_now/image/927273.

Thanos is back,Starlord is back,the Nova force exists on this side of the Universe again.The way I see it Rich is back but will probably take a back seat to new fake Nova just because Loeb wants to push him. I also agree with you on drawing from them.There is really no need to mash them together (which is what Marvel NOW is).They have seen the Avengers movie be a success so the next logical (stupid) step from Marvel is to try and merge 616 to the shitty movie universe.I hope to God Rich returns but deep down I doubt he will.

My problem is that Marvel hasn't explained anything (yet). As you said Thanos is back, Starlord is back and put the Guardians back together, the Nova force is back (which suggests Rich is back) but nothing's explained and even worse, there aren't even hints on the 'how' part or if it's going to be explained. On top of that Avengers Assemble is supposed to be canon, but the continuity of it is so messed up and unclear that it just makes thing worse and more confusing. I wish they would bring back DnA to do their space sci-fi magic (wow, this is an expression you don't read everyday...) they do best. Oh and Loeb can suck it.

Haha,its obvious at this point they would be no explanation and even if there is it would he half assed.Assemble just made me realize what we know is going to be retconned in favor of this new Movie Universe-cum-Canon.Its retarded but its clearly what Marvel are doing.I bet you after Thanos and the cosmic cube have been defeated in AA,they will have him getting the Gauntlet only this time it would be "canon" ;)

i mean im excited for marvelnow as a dc reader, they might get some dc readers into marvel now which is a good thing right? although cyclops and hulk look horrible..

Again: naive (still with a minor offense intended). In the readers of the big two are in 3 groups: Marvel only (such as myself), DC only and the ones that read both (they're the middle ground and probably the biggest of the 3). People who exclusively read either Marvel or DC have their reasons why they don't read the other company's comics and those people probably will never pick up the other side's comics, except for a very few and the ones who've been reading both don't really matter in this case.

Hulk's passable and I'm kinda interested in the robot head, but Cyke's helmet is just awful.

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Don_Jay said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Don_Jay said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Don_Jay said:

@elayem98 said:

@Don_Jay said:

@elayem98 said:

@Don_Jay said:

@elayem98 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

Yes Marvel ,make him look like the movie version for no reason whatsoever

I'm sure the reason is to attract new readers, so when they pick up a cap comic for the first time they don't put it right back down because he is in dorky spandex

The thing about Cap is even if he's in a 'dorky spandex' costume, that's not what matters about him, but the hero and the symbol (crap that sounded like some PR BS). But you have to understand that for most people this isn't THE Captain america costume and never will be. This is just a fad to cash in on the popularity of the movies and the trend to make superheroes look realistic.

I understand. Im sure for longtime readers like you the hero and the symbol and all that about cap will still be there, only difference is now cap can get more new readers with an outfit that isn't dated, and (IMO) look less dorky.

The thing is movies never seem to be able to get more new readers and the changes made in the comics to make them more appealing to the moviegoers usually ends up alienating long time readers. Most people who goes to watch Iron Man, or the Avengers would never pick up a comic book especially not on a regular basis. If the movies and the changes like this would make people who never picked up an issue before do so, the sales wouldn't be down like they are now and we wouldn't see a series cancellation every other week or a renumbering initiative every six months.

haha actually i got into comics after watching THe Dark Knight.

I went to barnes and noble like a week after watching TDK and saw batman: the long halloween TPB, haha i thought it was nerdy at the time, but i bought it anyway, loved it, and now I'm a comic reader, spending a small fortune on as many TPBs or HCs as my money will allow. I've been trying to break into Marvel comics for awhile since I've always been DC, and Marvel NOW will most likely let me.

Awwwww... you're so adorable and naive (minor offense intended). You might be one of the few exceptions, but the fact is, that moviegoers rarely become regular readers and represent a small part in the total number of readers. It's great for you that you tried and liked the comic book experience and I hope you'll be able to get into marvel easily in Now, but chances are against you. Continuity won't change the stories that led to this point will be there especially the ones after 2000 and Bendis' events. If Nova and Rocky will truly play as big a role in the new initiative as the execs say, you probably will have to catch up on space stories starting with Annihilation and everything after.

Exactly.No offense @elayem98 but the number of so the so called mythical movie goer turned comic book reader is negligible.Changing a costume is all well and good but why make it like the ones in the movie which in turn is based off the Ultimate U one? I'm no Cap fan but I just think is silly as not just costumes but continuity itself seems to be changing drastically :(

@Don_Jay There probably would be no reason for him to read annihilation (apart from the awesomeness :)) to catch up on any thing as the new Nova - samwhathisface - is no Rich.I miss Rich but Noooooo Loeb had to take it and do his usual thing to it.

He might might not have to read it, but everything in the cosmic part is so tied together starting with Annihilation that it might be strongly recommended (even out of sheer awesomeness). Btw Rich "died" (yes with the quotation, since there's no permanent death except for uncle Ben and Batman's parents [hope I didn't jinx anything]) in the Thanos Ignition which was done by DnA. I miss Rich too, he became a great character after Annihilation and I miss the ongoing Nova. What I don't understand about this Samgengericguy is how he got to be a Nova. It was stated clearly in Thanos imperative #6 and the Devastation one-shot afterwards that Rich drained all the Nova force from Quasar and the probies and he Worldmind shut down completely after the Fault was sealed and they couldn't awaken it. Ergo there's no Nova force in the universe which is kinda a requirement for a Nova corpsman. Plus who is this Samicantrememberhislastname guy? He wasn't a probie, so what's his connection to the Corps? When i first saw him in Point one I honestly hoped that is was Robbie, that he figured out a way to reboot the Worldmind and restore a small portion of the force. But no, they had to bring in a new character who as it turned out to be is based on the Nova in the USM cartoon just to capitalize on that. This is what I hate. Leave the comics alone, don't try to make them like the movies and cartoons, because it doesn't work. Draw inspiration them for awesome stuff like the Avengers movie, but don't try to mash them together. Oh and I still hope Rich will return soon which might be implied by the one of the Now teasers that shows (a) Star Lord, which I really hope is not another new character hust connect it to the GotG movie or something, but the real one and if he could return somehow, there might be hope for Rich. http://marvel.com/images/gallery/story/19038/who_will_shape_the_future_of_marvel_now/image/927273.

Thanos is back,Starlord is back,the Nova force exists on this side of the Universe again.The way I see it Rich is back but will probably take a back seat to new fake Nova just because Loeb wants to push him. I also agree with you on drawing from them.There is really no need to mash them together (which is what Marvel NOW is).They have seen the Avengers movie be a success so the next logical (stupid) step from Marvel is to try and merge 616 to the shitty movie universe.I hope to God Rich returns but deep down I doubt he will.

My problem is that Marvel hasn't explained anything (yet). As you said Thanos is back, Starlord is back and put the Guardians back together, the Nova force is back (which suggests Rich is back) but nothing's explained and even worse, there aren't even hints on the 'how' part or if it's going to be explained. On top of that Avengers Assemble is supposed to be canon, but the continuity of it is so messed up and unclear that it just makes thing worse and more confusing. I wish they would bring back DnA to do their space sci-fi magic (wow, this is an expression you don't read everyday...) they do best. Oh and Loeb can suck it.

Haha,its obvious at this point they would be no explanation and even if there is it would he half assed.Assemble just made me realize what we know is going to be retconned in favor of this new Movie Universe-cum-Canon.Its retarded but its clearly what Marvel are doing.I bet you after Thanos and the cosmic cube have been defeated in AA,they will have him getting the Gauntlet only this time it would be "canon" ;)

The movies shouldn't influence the source material, especially since this is just a marketing ploy. The thing I don't understand is why don't they leave the comics as they are. I know it's a business and they want to sell more copies, but the thing is it stuff like this never increased the sales numbers and probably never will. Right now the comics has a small, but mostly loyal base that can be easily alienated by move like that. The funny part is that people at Marvel had to realize that comics don't bring in the big revenue, that's what the movies (and the merchandising connected to them) are for. If they start retconning the comics to fit the movies that don't make people buy more comics will only alienate the long tome fans which will lead to dropping numbers...

Oh and Thanos can have the Gauntlet, it's practically worthless without the gems ;)

@Danial79 said:

So who have we had lately? Hawkeye, Ms Captain Marvel, and now Cap? In 10 years time there won't be an iconic costume left.

There will be. As I said earlier the old costume will be back in two summer events time tops. There hasn't been a costume change for big, iconic characters that truly stuck around.I don't think this will either.

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Don_Jay said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Don_Jay said:

@elayem98 said:

@Don_Jay said:

@elayem98 said:

@Don_Jay said:

@elayem98 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

Yes Marvel ,make him look like the movie version for no reason whatsoever

I'm sure the reason is to attract new readers, so when they pick up a cap comic for the first time they don't put it right back down because he is in dorky spandex

The thing about Cap is even if he's in a 'dorky spandex' costume, that's not what matters about him, but the hero and the symbol (crap that sounded like some PR BS). But you have to understand that for most people this isn't THE Captain america costume and never will be. This is just a fad to cash in on the popularity of the movies and the trend to make superheroes look realistic.

I understand. Im sure for longtime readers like you the hero and the symbol and all that about cap will still be there, only difference is now cap can get more new readers with an outfit that isn't dated, and (IMO) look less dorky.

The thing is movies never seem to be able to get more new readers and the changes made in the comics to make them more appealing to the moviegoers usually ends up alienating long time readers. Most people who goes to watch Iron Man, or the Avengers would never pick up a comic book especially not on a regular basis. If the movies and the changes like this would make people who never picked up an issue before do so, the sales wouldn't be down like they are now and we wouldn't see a series cancellation every other week or a renumbering initiative every six months.

haha actually i got into comics after watching THe Dark Knight.

I went to barnes and noble like a week after watching TDK and saw batman: the long halloween TPB, haha i thought it was nerdy at the time, but i bought it anyway, loved it, and now I'm a comic reader, spending a small fortune on as many TPBs or HCs as my money will allow. I've been trying to break into Marvel comics for awhile since I've always been DC, and Marvel NOW will most likely let me.

Awwwww... you're so adorable and naive (minor offense intended). You might be one of the few exceptions, but the fact is, that moviegoers rarely become regular readers and represent a small part in the total number of readers. It's great for you that you tried and liked the comic book experience and I hope you'll be able to get into marvel easily in Now, but chances are against you. Continuity won't change the stories that led to this point will be there especially the ones after 2000 and Bendis' events. If Nova and Rocky will truly play as big a role in the new initiative as the execs say, you probably will have to catch up on space stories starting with Annihilation and everything after.

Exactly.No offense @elayem98 but the number of so the so called mythical movie goer turned comic book reader is negligible.Changing a costume is all well and good but why make it like the ones in the movie which in turn is based off the Ultimate U one? I'm no Cap fan but I just think is silly as not just costumes but continuity itself seems to be changing drastically :(

@Don_Jay There probably would be no reason for him to read annihilation (apart from the awesomeness :)) to catch up on any thing as the new Nova - samwhathisface - is no Rich.I miss Rich but Noooooo Loeb had to take it and do his usual thing to it.

He might might not have to read it, but everything in the cosmic part is so tied together starting with Annihilation that it might be strongly recommended (even out of sheer awesomeness). Btw Rich "died" (yes with the quotation, since there's no permanent death except for uncle Ben and Batman's parents [hope I didn't jinx anything]) in the Thanos Ignition which was done by DnA. I miss Rich too, he became a great character after Annihilation and I miss the ongoing Nova. What I don't understand about this Samgengericguy is how he got to be a Nova. It was stated clearly in Thanos imperative #6 and the Devastation one-shot afterwards that Rich drained all the Nova force from Quasar and the probies and he Worldmind shut down completely after the Fault was sealed and they couldn't awaken it. Ergo there's no Nova force in the universe which is kinda a requirement for a Nova corpsman. Plus who is this Samicantrememberhislastname guy? He wasn't a probie, so what's his connection to the Corps? When i first saw him in Point one I honestly hoped that is was Robbie, that he figured out a way to reboot the Worldmind and restore a small portion of the force. But no, they had to bring in a new character who as it turned out to be is based on the Nova in the USM cartoon just to capitalize on that. This is what I hate. Leave the comics alone, don't try to make them like the movies and cartoons, because it doesn't work. Draw inspiration them for awesome stuff like the Avengers movie, but don't try to mash them together. Oh and I still hope Rich will return soon which might be implied by the one of the Now teasers that shows (a) Star Lord, which I really hope is not another new character hust connect it to the GotG movie or something, but the real one and if he could return somehow, there might be hope for Rich. http://marvel.com/images/gallery/story/19038/who_will_shape_the_future_of_marvel_now/image/927273.

Thanos is back,Starlord is back,the Nova force exists on this side of the Universe again.The way I see it Rich is back but will probably take a back seat to new fake Nova just because Loeb wants to push him. I also agree with you on drawing from them.There is really no need to mash them together (which is what Marvel NOW is).They have seen the Avengers movie be a success so the next logical (stupid) step from Marvel is to try and merge 616 to the shitty movie universe.I hope to God Rich returns but deep down I doubt he will.

My problem is that Marvel hasn't explained anything (yet). As you said Thanos is back, Starlord is back and put the Guardians back together, the Nova force is back (which suggests Rich is back) but nothing's explained and even worse, there aren't even hints on the 'how' part or if it's going to be explained. On top of that Avengers Assemble is supposed to be canon, but the continuity of it is so messed up and unclear that it just makes thing worse and more confusing. I wish they would bring back DnA to do their space sci-fi magic (wow, this is an expression you don't read everyday...) they do best. Oh and Loeb can suck it.