I Agree with this post so much. I just don't know why Marvel will bring him back, and i've read the 70's Mar-Vell and it was a awesome arc. (Also a Army SPC and i salute you sir)

5) They set up another character perfectly to be the next Captain Marvel and just abandoned it.

eh...its the comic world. Nobody stays dead. We hear that a lot because its true. They try and do things to make money and there are no boundaries.

@Kallarkz said:

eh...its the comic world. Nobody stays dead. We hear that a lot because its true. They try and do things to make money and there are no boundaries.

That's where I suggest them to remember that they are also artists and that their goal should be first and foremost to serve the story. I am not asking for them all to behave like Mozart or Van Gogh and die poor, but just a little bit of being true to the story wouldn't hurt.

I agree. Let it be someone else. Mar-Vell should stay dead.

It does get a little boring watching the same character die and come back so much. I'm all for a new character getting the power

I agree with your third argument.

@jloneblackheart said:

I agree. Let it be someone else. Mar-Vell should stay dead.

They want to bring him back?

@Gambit1024 said:

They want to bring him back?

Remender already confirmed.
BB

I don't really see a problem with him coming back...if a writer has a really good story to go with a resurrection then why not?

Damn that's a bummer. Then what's the point of Noh-Varr? Wasn't he supposed to be Captain Marvel?

@Gambit1024 said:

Damn that's a bummer. Then what's the point of Noh-Varr? Wasn't he supposed to be Captain Marvel?

They abandoned that story the minute Bendis got bored of him. He's just fodder now. >:(

@X35 said:

5) They set up another character perfectly to be the next Captain Marvel and just abandoned it.

That's the only argument I actually agree with, but I'd rather him be something different, he doesn't need the name of "Captain Marvel" just to be successful. Just like Quasar didn't. He needs his ongoing though, he needs it bad and he needs to stop being The Protecto because that suit is horrible.

I actually like Captain Marvel coming back.

@danhimself: I'll admit a good surprise is always possible, but I'm pretty confident it's going to be plunder simple and sheer.

Let me make that graphic for you: do you think resurrecting Boromir would be a good idea? You never know, maybe it would make the Lord of the Ring better? That's how iconic and central Mar-Vell is to anyone who grew old along with his tales.

@ReVamp: Agreed!! He's absolute wasted and useless in Bendis' Avengers. He deserves a limited series at least (how come all the other Dark Avengers got one and he didn't?), Bendis clearly doesn't understand what the character is capable of!! And, yeah, he needs to ditch that Protector costume fast (maybe just lose the helmet at least)

And I actually think the new Captain Marvel suit (as seen on the Secret avengers cover) would've really suited him since it's his Marvel Boy colors!! I still can't believe how Marvel just decided to toss the character aside like this... he's obvs going to die in AvX or the next event to make way for Mar-Vell or the stupid Young Avenger since Marvel struggles to establish or re-establish a character without killing someone else off it seems.

*explodes with pent-up anger*

Mr Bendis, we have to talk.

I want him back but not with current marvel since they wreck every character they touch.

@Stormultt said:

I want him back but not with current marvel since they most every character they touch. Winter Soldier is strong.

Fixed.

how did he die? I know he was a great character but i have never read anything with him in it. I know nothing about him. Im for him staying dead

Not a great idea however the movements of Marvel like this no longer surprise me, Its sad that they have to resort to doing this time and again.

@DEGRAAF said:

how did he die? I know he was a great character but i have never read anything with him in it. I know nothing about him. Im for him staying dead

Cancer, after saving the universe he slowly died of a cancer. You want to read his story, believe me.

@DocFatalis: HE had cosmic rods and saved a universe but he died of cancer?

I must confess, I'm really torn on this issue... Really torn. I've hated that Marv died, cause he was my favorite as a kid. I always loved how Rick was just a normal young guy who had one of the most heoric figures within the Marvel universe so in need of his help and assistance. Each time Rick clanked the nega bands together I felt like if he could be a part of of something so huge and important, so could I. And then there was the way he went out... Enough strength to fight Thanos, but not enough to defeat the cancer inside. It was another moving moment for me as a kid. The realization that death is an inevitable part of life, even for these superpowered heroes that seemed to be a fun escape from reality was enough to snap me back into reality in a way reality wasn't able to at that point. I've missed him fighting along side the others and was just as conflicted as I am now when they last announced his return (even though it ended up not being him). Spider-Man's response when he saw him in Civil War and thought Tony had just cloned him like he had done with Thor was real to me. The conversation between Marv and Sentry with Bob esteeming Marv above himself was another nice touch. I think there's definately some potential. If fake-Marv and Bob connected like that over their past, how would a returning Marv feel about Bob already being dead? What kinds of conversations would Spidey have with him? Thor? Steve? Tony? Wall of text aside, if they do it, it needs to be Marv and not someone else filling his shoes. But... Should they do it at all? I just can't decide one way or another. That's says something about Marv's character in my opinion. I mean Bucky's return was handled right and at the time we would have thought it impossible to do. Maybe, just maybe, they'll do the right thing here and surprise us all.

@DEGRAAF said:

how did he die? I know he was a great character but i have never read anything with him in it. I know nothing about him. Im for him staying dead

except for the fact that I've seen the scan of his death this is my opinion

@DEGRAAF said:

@DocFatalis: HE had cosmic rods and saved a universe but he died of cancer?

His powers were complex: he had cosmic awareness, but no powers like the ones of the surfer for example, and the nega band that had slowed down cancer a lot also blocked all the treatments the big brains (Richards etc...) tried on him.

In the end, as it's been pointed by PrimeDirective on this thread, his death was an allegory to inevitability, an other reason for which it should not be undone. Marv is special, please let him stay special.

The more I think about, the more complex it gets... Imagine everyone having to explain to Marv everything that's transpired. Decimation, Annihilation, Civil War, World War Hulk, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, Siege, Annihilation: Conquest, War of Kings, Thanos Imperative, and most of all, the fact that he has a son. And poor Teddy, having to re-live the introduction again! Can you imagine Tony having to actually explain to Marv the SRA and his involvement or that he, Reed, Black Bolt, and Dr Strange banished Bruce into deep space against his will to prevent the Hulk from harming anyone? Marv was calming the Hulk long before we knew Sentry. Heck, what if Marv and Sentry, as the golden paragons of heroism, had some kind of joint plans to make the future brighter and because Bob fell victim to the Void, it never came about? What will he think about Thanos' death? About Genis and Phyla? Noh-Varr? Ronan and the current state of the Kree Empire? Reuniting with Rick, only to be surprised with A-Bomb? There's a lot of good potential stories to be told, so I can understand why it would be so tempting. I honestly don't think I've wanted and not wanted anything else in comics to happen as much as this. Why couldn't we be talking about Jean Grey returning instead?

He's not coming back. Carol is becoming the CM

He's not coming back. Carol is becoming the CM

@War Killer

Kelly Sue Mc-something or other confirmed that Carol would. And just because someone takes on another mantle doesn't mean that they are overshadowed. Wally West surpassed Barry Allen, hell even Kyle Rayner was PIS past Hal Jordan,why can't Carol do the same?

I really want Hickman to write Captain Mar-vell, Am I a bad person?

What I am trying to say is that probably new and talented guy would take the character and do something good, just like the thing that is happening with Watchmen, some good writers would write Watchmen characters and do something that would probably be good, and that would not ruin the characters, they just would meet a new writers, how many times Spider-man has been written by other writers, they haven't ruined him, bad or good stories, we must remember just the good things.

All that would happen is the more people would know who Mar-vell is.

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Bleeding cool said that. CBR and Marvel's site hasn't confirmed nor has she confirmed or denied on Twitter. So it could just be a rumor. I'm sure we will know more after Wonder Con this weekend. I'm sure someone is gonna ask so CBR is gonna know as they are covering the con.

@War Killer

Kelly Sue Mc-something or other confirmed that Carol would. And just because someone takes on another mantle doesn't mean that they are overshadowed. Wally West surpassed Barry Allen, hell even Kyle Rayner was PIS past Hal Jordan,why can't Carol do the same?

@X35 said:

5) They set up another character perfectly to be the next Captain Marvel and just abandoned it.

And now in the Avengers vs. X-Men event he won't take big part either or the most stupidest thing would be if they kill him.

@Deadcool said:

I really want Hickman to write Captain Mar-vell, Am I a bad person?

What I am trying to say is that probably new and talented guy would take the character and do something good, just like the thing that is happening with Watchmen, some good writers would write Watchmen characters and do something that would probably be good, and that would not ruin the characters, they just would meet a new writers, how many times Spider-man has been written by other writers, they haven't ruined him, bad or good stories, we must remember just the good things.

All that would happen is the more people would know who Mar-vell is.

Out of curiosity, have you read the first ark and the graphic novel? I assure you this story needs to remain over to be a good one. if a writer has genuine talent, let him create a new character of tell us untold tales from the past, but no resurrection, please.

Out of curiosity, have you read the first ark and the graphic novel? I assure you this story needs to remain over to be a good one.

if a writer has genuine talent, let him create a new character of tell us untold tales from the past, but no resurrection, please.

@Deadcool said:

@DocFatalis said:

Out of curiosity, have you read the first ark and the graphic novel? I assure you this story needs to remain over to be a good one.

Is a good one, new stuff doesn't make it bad, doesn't matters how many storylines are about Spider-man, Amazing Fantasy 15 is one of the greatest stories in comicbooks, and OMD doesn't make it a bad thing.

if a writer has genuine talent, let him create a new character of tell us untold tales from the past, but no resurrection, please.

Why? Captain Mar-Vell doesn't exists, there are Writers that write something new and writers that write the same thing over and over again, the character in makes no difference, the character means nothing in a good story, the story is good because is good, I want Captain Mar-Vell back not because I want him back, I want him back because I want to know how would other writers would write him, how other writer would use what the character means to bring new and fresh stuff, they can create a character later.

I am not sure what you mean by "captain Mar-Vell does not exist"? talking about spider-man, they massacred a good share of its story by bringing back aunt May with one of the weakest scenarios ever.

When you say that a story is good no matter the characters you're joking right? The characters are always a crucial and determining part of the story. Replace the three musketeers (even though they were four) with three bank accountants and you don't quite get the same thing. Try to putting a dull maths teacher in the shoes of Han Solo and let's see if Star Wars remains interesting.

One last thing: if you think globally and see the Marvel Universe as one story, then some things must simply not happen to preserve the coherence of the ensemble and the beauty of that global story. that is also why they created the "what if?" line.

Mar-Vell's death is pivotal to the coherence of the Marvel Universe, probably more than some of the cosmic events, so nullifying it with a cheap resurrection is probably not going to add much to the ensemble.

@TDK_1997 said:

@X35 said:

5) They set up another character perfectly to be the next Captain Marvel and just abandoned it.

And now in the Avengers vs. X-Men event he won't take big part either or the most stupidest thing would be if they kill him.

They're making him a traitor. >:(

Why not resurrect Phyla-Vell or Genis-Vell as Captain Marvel instead? Marvel might as well do another father and daughter trade off, like they did with Scott and Cassie Lang.

@DocFatalis said:

I am not sure what you mean by "captain Mar-Vell does not exist"?

Its simple, he doesn't exist...

talking about spider-man, they massacred a good share of its story by bringing back aunt May with one of the weakest scenarios ever.

Even if they did, that hasn't stopped anyone to enjoy current Spider-man stuff.

When you say that a story is good no matter the characters you're joking right? The characters are always a crucial and determining part of the story. Replace the three musketeers (even though they were four) with three bank accountants and you don't quite get the same thing. Try to putting a dull maths teacher in the shoes of Han Solo and let's see if Star Wars remains interesting.

No, I am death serious, a character is just a tool in the story, a lot of writers can write the same character, but no one would write the character to continue with the other writer's job, it's true that they contiue the story, but not as the other writer intended, he would write what he wants as he please, a different story with a different resolution, just to give the character to someone else to use it, I know that we have good writers now, I just want them to use Mar-vell, Warren Ellis, Jonathan Hickman or Kieron Guillen, they all can handle a character like Mar-vell or even make him better.

One last thing: if you think globally and see the Marvel Universe as one story, then some things must simply not happen to preserve the coherence of the ensemble and the beauty of that global story. that is also why they created the "what if?" line.

That is a HUGE MISTAKE, I have YEARS telling the same thing to the people, seriously YEARS, maybe this is the first time I will tell you, but continuity is not important for me, and it shouldn't be important for anyone, there is a lot of writers, and all of them write their stuff as they please, they play with an imaginary world, they write what they want and we enjoy it as they do, and the question is how the hell we expect a good continuity, that is how it works, if you don't like it, you don't have to read them, everytime that someone complains because a comicbook ignores the fact of how pointless in complaning about it, comics are for being enjoyed, thats it...

Mar-Vell's death is pivotal to the coherence of the Marvel Universe, probably more than some of the cosmic events, so nullifying it with a cheap resurrection is probably not going to add much to the ensemble.

No, it ould not, the Question is: Would it be enjoyable? Maybe, who knows? if they do somehing good with his resurrection and if it would be well-plannned and well-executed is all that matters.

I don't think they should bring him back but has it actually been confirmed its Mar Vell under the mask and not a new character taking up the mantle?

@Deadcool said:

@DocFatalis said:

I am not sure what you mean by "captain Mar-Vell does not exist"?

Its simple, he doesn't exist...

talking about spider-man, they massacred a good share of its story by bringing back aunt May with one of the weakest scenarios ever.

Even if they did, that hasn't stopped anyone to enjoy current Spider-man stuff.

When you say that a story is good no matter the characters you're joking right? The characters are always a crucial and determining part of the story. Replace the three musketeers (even though they were four) with three bank accountants and you don't quite get the same thing. Try to putting a dull maths teacher in the shoes of Han Solo and let's see if Star Wars remains interesting.

No, I am death serious, a character is just a tool in the story, a lot of writers can write the same character, but no one would write the character to continue with the other writer's job, it's true that they contiue the story, but not as the other writer intended, he would write what he wants as he please, a different story with a different resolution, just to give the character to someone else to use it, I know that we have good writers now, I just want them to use Mar-vell, Warren Ellis, Jonathan Hickman or Kieron Guillen, they all can handle a character like Mar-vell or even make him better.

One last thing: if you think globally and see the Marvel Universe as one story, then some things must simply not happen to preserve the coherence of the ensemble and the beauty of that global story. that is also why they created the "what if?" line.

That is a HUGE MISTAKE, I have YEARS telling the same thing to the people, seriously YEARS, maybe this is the first time I will tell you, but continuity is not important for me, and it shouldn't be important for anyone, there is a lot of writers, and all of them write their stuff as they please, they play with an imaginary world, they write what they want and we enjoy it as they do, and the question is how the hell we expect a good continuity, that is how it works, if you don't like it, you don't have to read them, everytime that someone complains because a comicbook ignores the fact of how pointless in complaning about it, comics are for being enjoyed, thats it...

Mar-Vell's death is pivotal to the coherence of the Marvel Universe, probably more than some of the cosmic events, so nullifying it with a cheap resurrection is probably not going to add much to the ensemble.

No, it ould not, the Question is: Would it be enjoyable? Maybe, who knows? if they do somehing good with his resurrection and if it would be well-plannned and well-executed is all that matters.

Well, for spider man, it has at least stopped me and a most of my friends from enjoying/reading it for years and years. It also definitely filed it under "comedy" on my shelves. Nowadays, just to check, I buy an issue once a year more or less. The only times when I've seen Spiderman interesting lately was when he was working together with the new avengers and no comments were made about his personal life.

As for the part that I have underlined, I just want you to make your opinion clear because I still have a doubt: according to you, a character, its personality and its background are totally unessential to a story?? If that is so, why aren't you reading the adventures of Spot and the Red ball or why are characters like Batman, Silver Surfer or Thanos fascinating both to the writers and for the public while others like the umpteenth green lantern from planet x or the Fly are being perceived as boring as smoke. Could it be because personality, history and background matter?

Saying "who cares about the continuity or the characters" is exactly like saying "I might read anything today as long as there are words in it and they seem pleasant". Even parnassians moved away from that.

I have been reading comics for the last 34 years and the series I enjoy the most are the ones that keep on making sense, the ones capable of adapting without altering their most essential elements. If I want something else, I just go read about a different character.

There is no huge mistake there, this is just my choice. I am not a zapper, I like logic, values and building new good stories without using the usual smoke and mirrors. Lots of comics, including from the new generation (Image etc...) manage to do it without having to resort to something as petty as destroying great moments from the past.

I like Mar-Vell. I have no problem with his return.

@DocFatalis said:

Well, for spider man, it has at least stopped me and a most of my friends from enjoying/reading it for years and years. It also definitely filed it under "comedy" on my shelves. Nowadays, just to check, I buy an issue once a year more or less. The only times when I've seen Spiderman interesting lately was when he was working together with the new avengers and no comments were made about his personal life.

Oh well...

As for the part that I have underlined, I just want you to make your opinion clear because I still have a doubt: according to you, a character, its personality and its background are totally unessential to a story??

Deepends on the writer's style, when I read a comicbook all I care about them is:

1. The writer: If I like the writer's writting style, I would probably buy the issue.
2. The artist, if I like the art I would be more interested in the comicbook,
3. The concept of the character, a lot of writers treat the character different, and they can or not use this concept.

If that is so, why aren't you reading the adventures of Spot and the Red ball or why are characters like Batman, Silver Surfer or Thanos fascinating both to the writers and for the public while others like the umpteenth green lantern from planet x or the Fly are being perceived as boring as smoke. Could it be because personality, history and background matter?

A good writer can write ANY character and make them interesting, the Fantastic Four are considered boring for almost anyone, and Hickman is great with them, Dan Slott's Hank Pym was awesome and he is just a guy that turns himself big and small, Geoff Johns' Aquaman outselled every Marvel tittle!!!! A character has a concept, deepends on the writer to make it interesting, not in the character.

Saying "who cares about the continuity or the characters" is exactly like saying "I might read anything today as long as there are words in it and they seem pleasant". Even parnassians moved away from that.

Everyone does that, is a fact, everybody read what they find good, everybody study the career that they like, everybody knows what they find interesting.

Everybody have their standards, everybody read different stuff and sees everything in a different way.

I have been reading comics for the last 34 years and the series I enjoy the most are the ones that keep on making sense, the ones capable of adapting without altering their most essential elements. If I want something else, I just go read about a different character.

So, you like to read the same story again and again, if a character doesn't changes, what is new about him, the new comicbook is like an old comicbook.

Is ok to use the same concept, but the character has to change.

There is no huge mistake there, this is just my choice. I am not a zapper, I like logic, values and building new good stories without using the usual smoke and mirrors. Lots of comics, including from the new generation (Image etc...) manage to do it without having to resort to something as petty as destroying great moments from the past.

...?

What? The past is past you can't change that fact, the Death of the Captain Mar-vell would be a GREAT story even if he comes back, he has stayed death 30 years, that is enough to make his death memorable.

@jloneblackheart said:

I agree. Let it be someone else. Mar-Vell should stay dead.

@Deadcool: Is english your first language?

Marvel apparently renounced to their foolish and cheap resurrection, so blog closed, thanks to all those who were supportive.

I say bring him back, he's a great character who needs to be introduced to new readers!

Ms. Marvel is already outdoing him as a character

And Winter Soldier is done

@DocFatalis said:

Marvel apparently renounced to their foolish and cheap resurrection, so blog closed, thanks to all those who were supportive.

lol I really doubt that Marvel planned to bring him back then decided against it...if anything it was always intended for Ms. Marvel to take the title