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#1 Posted by divingfalcon713 (283 posts) - - Show Bio
@toplel said:

That was some fanfiction/tumblr/SJW tier bullshit. For a moment there I thought I was reading a fancomic. Absolutely terrible.

Ignoring the use of sjw like it's an insult, yeah, this issue was pretty bad.

#2 Posted by divingfalcon713 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

@jestersjoker: Like I said, I don't think even DC would be stupid enough to subject their premier female character to being the product of incest. There's been basically no reference to that aspect of Greek myth in past WW comics, and I doubt they'd start now.

The horror aspects of Azzarello's story for me have been more focused on the amount of gore and also the cannibalism, which is also a big deal in Greek myth. Without DC or Azzarello specifically saying whether they're related or not, I'd rather not leap to the conclusion that Hippolyta slept with her grandfather, but if that's where you went with it, then ok I guess.

#3 Edited by divingfalcon713 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

@jestersjoker: You're right, they haven't said if that's the case or not, but I highly doubt DC would subject their premier female character to being the product of incest. Also, if the implication disgusts you so much, how did you come to the conclusion that Ares is Hippolyta's father at all?

#4 Edited by divingfalcon713 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

@jestersjoker said:

I just cannot understand why Brian Azz & DC would sink so low as to make Diana the daughter of Zeus. I mean the incest and adultery is horrific in my opinion. (I just do not want that for Wonder Woman)

I came to the conclusion if Brian Azz wanted to make Diana the daughter of Zeus/Jupiter he should have just concocted a story in which Diana goddess of the hunt and daughter of Zeus/Jupiter and twin sister to Appollo was killed and sent to some tormenting abyss.

And while Hippolyta was on the beach she was praying to Aphrodite for a baby girl to replace the one she lost from Hercules during his 9th labor.

The goddeses’s in Olympus decided they wanted to bring Diana goddess of the hunt back to life or rescue her from an abyss she was hurdled into because she offended Hera because she was the daughter of Zeus/Jupiter and Latona so they instructed Hippolyta to create or make a baby girl out of clay. The goddess’s inserted the spirit of Diana the goddess of the hunt into this clay baby and by a bolt of lightning from Zeus the clay baby came to life. But to insure that Hera would not send Diana goddess of the hunt twin sister to Appolo back to the Abyss they toke all her memories from her. Thus Hippolyta got the daughter she longed for and named the child Diana from the instructions of the goddess.

Anyways it seems that this story is much better than the one Brian and Company came up with.

If you mean it's incestuous because Hippolyta is supposedly Ares' daughter, I don't think that's actually true in the DC universe. I don't think any writer has used that part of Greek mythology in WW.

#5 Posted by divingfalcon713 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

@themistyone: Since neither of those people are Wonder Woman I'm not sure why people would complain about their presentation in the WW forums...

Look, I get it, you like the SM/WW book, and that's fine. Some people just don't like the art. And that's not really a miniscule argument that people come up with just to hate. In the comic medium art quality has a very large influence on whether people like a book or not. Some people can't read the WW solo book because of Chiang's art; it's just a difference in preference of how Diana is drawn.

#6 Edited by divingfalcon713 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

@wittywally: You see, It depends on the situation. if they made her carry a purse then f*ck them because you know warriors don't carry no purse or Wonderwomans earrings because it makes her too girly you know to make Superman look good.haha

They're running out of stuff to complain. At 1st it was Supermans gonna overshadow Wonderwoman and this is gonna be another superman jer***g title. Then it turned out sm/ww made superman look like a love sick puppy seeking wonderwomans affection and wonderwoman saves the day title so they move their attention to the art and you know her navel.

She she she landed on her knees so she must be showing Batman her beeewwbs.hahaha

@divingfalcon713 said:

@themistyone: I think the significance of the belly button divet showing is that it basically looks like a naked character with clothes painted on instead of how someone actually looks wearing clothes.

Also, showing a character sleeping naked isn't inherently sexual, and WW is never in a pose that can be construed as pandering in that scene (neither is Zola). If that scene was drawn by other artists (Ed Benes, or Kenneth Rocafort come to mind), it could very well have been a disaster. But nakedness does not immediately mean sexualization, as I can think of clothed characters drawn by many mainstream artists who look more sexual than Chiang's naked WW or Hera, or a pantsless Zola.

http://comicsalliance.com/superheroine-sex-art-story/

This pretty much sums it up.

Huh? He's complaining about a freaking Navel! He then said azz and unchained doesn't have much cheesecake w/e that means so I googled 1 then bam! Lois wearing a bodypaint with her freaking navel in unchained, the very thing his complaining in the 1st place then I posted bunch of unnecessary nudity in Azz wonderwoman.haha Then he goes but but but I like the story so I can give it a pass.

Thanks from your proving my point that sexualizing women is common in this hobby and singling out sm/ww is stupid and unfair for the fans of the series. Hot scene from Wonderwoman, thats from the injustice league right?

I know that he's complaining about her navel, I was explaining to you why it's a big deal. I can't speak on unchained because I haven't read it and I generally think Jim Lee does the weird skintight clothes thing too. But Chiang's pencils have very little (if any) cheesecake. As I mentioned, nakedness does not equate to sexual pandering. If the scenes you keep talking about put the emphasis on the characters' nakedness or state of undress (through pose or impossible body proportions), then it could be called cheesecake. A woman sleeping alone and naked is not pandering.

As a woman, I'm very well aware that sexualization is the norm in comics industry, but (again) depicting nakedness is not the same as oversexualization, and none of their bodies are being used as props to titillate readers. The article I posted goes into detail about it.

#7 Posted by divingfalcon713 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

@themistyone: I think the significance of the belly button divet showing is that it basically looks like a naked character with clothes painted on instead of how someone actually looks wearing clothes.

Also, showing a character sleeping naked isn't inherently sexual, and WW is never in a pose that can be construed as pandering in that scene (neither is Zola). If that scene was drawn by other artists (Ed Benes, or Kenneth Rocafort come to mind), it could very well have been a disaster. But nakedness does not immediately mean sexualization, as I can think of clothed characters drawn by many mainstream artists who look more sexual than Chiang's naked WW or Hera, or a pantsless Zola.

http://comicsalliance.com/superheroine-sex-art-story/

This pretty much sums it up.

#8 Posted by divingfalcon713 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

No she's not a female superman. Gender swapped superman is the only female superman. Wonder Woman is her own character with her own morals and stories. Personally I think she's more interesting than superman.

#9 Posted by divingfalcon713 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

@rayray1127 said:

@power_guy said:

I might buy Azz's final issue just to see how the dust settles from this run but even that would be a stretch as I'm not a fan of the run. I don't care who likes it, what site gives it a good review, or how many "book of the year" awards it gets, it's not my cup of tea and no amount of harassment or online bullying from the book's supporters is going to change that.

Exactly! Read this post well, lvenger! And stop insulting people just cause they don't like your glorious Azzerello!

Insults get hurled from both sides of the argument. Unfortunately it happens often enough to be the norm in the WW forums now.

#10 Posted by divingfalcon713 (283 posts) - - Show Bio

@divingfalcon713 said:
@scorpio_cassadine said:

@archizoom said:

@toplel: ya Lobo is not whiter than white which is why I would like to see them together. I would very much rather read about Wonder Woman's relationship with a mercenary and all the drama that that entails than read about Diana's relationship with another remarkably good looking hero and all the petty little problems of the beautiful people.

I think that's part of the problem you guys have with the relationship, nerds are suspicious of pretty people and assume whatever problems they have are inherently superficial or uninteresting. That's just not true.

This...is a very interesting generalization

Thanks, I was paraphrasing Rob Lowe and as a nerd and a pretty person I concur. :)

That wasn't a compliment. It's interesting because it's something I've never heard before. I don't agree with the assessment.