dimmoe

this^

also

the issue was rushed and the pace is off. there was never a real reason given as to why David wanted to stop being Batwing either.

ok so i read the issue. there wasn't much about Luke though.

the question now is, will the change bring in more readers? Do people really want to read about Lucius Fox's son? someone from the Fox family wear the bat insignia does make sense, seeing as a lot of Batman's gadgets come from Lucius department at Wayne Tech. but how long until this book gets cancelled if sells don't improve? if sells don't improve, do the changes made become meaningless?

also

I wonder if his real name is Lucius Fox Jr. and he just goes by Luke Fox. in the Batman Beyond universe Lucius Fox Jr is a real character.

@wavemotioncannon: I haven't read the issue yet but I predict a lot of father son conflicts. I think the series going forward, holistically, might have a Spider-man feel.

this^

@Perfect 10 said:

and the stupidity of new 52 continues. that is a cool suit though. cant they just cancel that idea, give the new suit to the current batwing and do what we fans have been saying all along: explore the setting. we should know as much about Tianasha as we know about gotham. its a fictional city so the writers have free reign with street names, places of interests and local gangs/criminals. its in the second largest country of africa and they dont show that. im hoping/praying that this new creative team will put enough love and care as they would in batman.

This this this this!!! they didn't even give him a chance. 18 issues and just change the titular character?

@johnjoe66 said:

@V_Scarlotte_Rose: Thats what i was thinking whats he gonna do when they go fight thanos or something? in his history has he ever fought any one other than vampires or undead?@SUNMAN:

the same thing Hawkeye is going to do but x10.

Blade has the following

Super Strength

Super speed

Enhanced agility

Marksmanship

Accelerated Healing

Hawkeye is a constant member as well as Falcon both are pretty insignificant in a fight against Thanos. Simply becuase he fights vampires dosn't mean he can only fight vampires. Also Morbius: The Living Vampire #2 is an ongoing series -_-

Maybe Blade will show up in that book

@MSzekeresh said:

In the Unltimate Universe Blade had a rather fun ride with a group of would-be Ultimates taking on Ghost Rider. The Team also consisted of Nick Fury, Hawkeye, War Machine, and The Punisher. I know that people have different feelings about the Ulttimate Universe and it's different takes on classic characters but Blade fans might do well to check it out.

i like the ultimates. I think im going to try and find those books and read them.thanks!

@FalconPuuunch said:

@dimmoe said:

@evilvegeta74 said:

@FalconPuuunch:@BatWatch: @dimmoe: @SUNMAN: @BlackWind: Here's proof of what I've been sayuing about what Dc thinks of their black characters , check this out http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/03/21/fialkov-left-dc-comics-over-plans-to-kill-off-john-stewart-dcs-black-green-lantern/ The proof is in the pudding! Pay attention to this post everyone!

@falconpuunch good day sir.

@FalconPuuunch said:

@dimmoe said:

@FalconPuuunch said:

@dimmoe said:

@FalconPuuunch said:

My only problem with minority lead characters is that the writers ALWAYS turn their stories into a way to inject political messages into their stories.

I for once would like to read about a black/latino character or gay character that isn't defined entirely because they're different. I get so angry when the characters complain about being black/gay in a world of intolerance or that they have to struggle because they're different.. If I want that I will read about the X-Men or The Hulk.

Not ALL minority characters are like this, but the ones with the most fans are.

you get tired of the characters talking about their experiences being non-white and/or non-hetero people in a homophobic white supremacist power structure? you would much rather read about the fucking incredible hulk and a bunch of white people that have black people issues but are, for the most part, not black themselves??? why am i not surprised. get the fuck outta here!

No, I get tired of shallow characters being carbon based copies of one another dealing with the same sh*t. I would like to read about minority character who aren't primarily written to make me feel bad. Take John Stewart for example. When he first came out all he did was talk about how black he was as if we couldn't see that ourselves. I get that comics and other forms of media are used to address social issues, but that is not what I read comics for. If I want that i'll watch some after school special or something. And everyone wonders why these characters don't sell? If in every issue of Batman and Superman there was some lesson to be taught or some moral at the end of the story, people would kick that sh*t to the curb. You took what I said out of context. It's not minorities in comics that I have an issue with, it's the baggage that comes with the character 75% of the time. I'm a minority in many ways by the way (including my race and heritage) in case you were thinking I was some skin head or something. I'm just real about what I like and dislike and if you don't like that go cry to someone who cares.

you said that instead of reading about issues that minorities face, you'd much rather read about a white man (the hulk) with the EXACT same issues, in terms of being a pariah in a world that constantly rejects his image. The things the X-Men go through are the same shit minorities go through. the only difference is that they're (for the most part) a group of white people.

that sounds pretty fucked minded to me

conversly, me talking about issue that people of color face is interpreted as me "crying"? BWHAHAHA again why am i not surprised? the fact that you're "not skin head" doesn't mean shit BTW. buuuut to avoid turning this into a flame war, im going to drop the this convo. have a good day mr puuunch

No. I was giving an example about how these issues are already being addressed. I'm not saying people of color can't go through these things, but why does it have to be every single one (or at least the interesting ones)? It's ridiculous.

If that sounds bad to you wait till you hear my rants about political correctness in the US.

That's the thing. You're not simply "conversely talking" about these issues and again you're taking what I am saying out of context. I'm not saying you're "crying" because you have an issue with what I said or because of how you feel about the interpretation of black characters in comics, I said you're crying because you're throwing F Bombs everywhere. NOTHING at all to do with the actual conversation.

I'm a person of color and we face just as many issues as any other person in the world. It's just a thing that we are, not something that defines us. L8r

so you're one of those passive people of color? why not have the actual people that face these issue be the titular character? why have a character like hulk (a white man) illustrate the issues we face? conversely i'll say fuck as many times as i damn will please mothafucka. don't tone police me. fuck outta here.

*passive person of color*. What does this even mean? You're not getting my point. My point is this. Every single minority in comics (or at least the interesting ones) are subjected to some sort of stereotype or discrimination based on the color of their skin or their sexual preference. I don't mind a few of them or most of them, but when every single one is labeled as "The Black Man" or "The Brown Man" or "The Gay Man" it makes me not want to read about them. Not because they are a minority but because that is the literal root of their creation. That is what they are defined as. If you really care about equality, this would anger you as well. I also don't care what you say, but just realize that your argument grows dimmer with feebleness each time you resort to that type of language or name calling.

wow this tread is getting long. I understand exactly what you're saying. i really do. i'm simply addressing what you wrote. about how you'd much rather read about white fictional characters with the exact same issue PoC face in real life. which is why i called you passive. meaning, opposed to be against and angered by the comic industry formatting and using the inequalities and systematic oppression we face as men of color as a writing prompt for fictional white characters, (e.g The X-men) you seem to have no problem with it. because you're tired of that being our focal point when minority characters are spotlighted. i, personally, don't want to read about how the hulk has to operate in an environment that constantly rejects him and his image. nor do i want to read about the X-men being ostracized by humans and facing "racism" for being mutants. THATS NOT RACISM.. Comic book readers have no problem sympathizing with fictional white characters that go through things that minorities go through in real life. thats what im talking about. and based solely on what you wrote, you seem to be one of those readers. thats being passive.

again, policing my language and using it as a juxtaposition to invalidate what im saying is pretty lame. especially since this isn't a platform were i have to be formal.

@evilvegeta74 said:

@FalconPuuunch:@BatWatch: @dimmoe: @SUNMAN: @BlackWind: Here's proof of what I've been sayuing about what Dc thinks of their black characters , check this out http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/03/21/fialkov-left-dc-comics-over-plans-to-kill-off-john-stewart-dcs-black-green-lantern/ The proof is in the pudding! Pay attention to this post everyone!

@falconpuunch good day sir.

@FalconPuuunch said:

@dimmoe said:

@FalconPuuunch said:

@dimmoe said:

@FalconPuuunch said:

My only problem with minority lead characters is that the writers ALWAYS turn their stories into a way to inject political messages into their stories.

I for once would like to read about a black/latino character or gay character that isn't defined entirely because they're different. I get so angry when the characters complain about being black/gay in a world of intolerance or that they have to struggle because they're different.. If I want that I will read about the X-Men or The Hulk.

Not ALL minority characters are like this, but the ones with the most fans are.

you get tired of the characters talking about their experiences being non-white and/or non-hetero people in a homophobic white supremacist power structure? you would much rather read about the fucking incredible hulk and a bunch of white people that have black people issues but are, for the most part, not black themselves??? why am i not surprised. get the fuck outta here!

No, I get tired of shallow characters being carbon based copies of one another dealing with the same sh*t. I would like to read about minority character who aren't primarily written to make me feel bad. Take John Stewart for example. When he first came out all he did was talk about how black he was as if we couldn't see that ourselves. I get that comics and other forms of media are used to address social issues, but that is not what I read comics for. If I want that i'll watch some after school special or something. And everyone wonders why these characters don't sell? If in every issue of Batman and Superman there was some lesson to be taught or some moral at the end of the story, people would kick that sh*t to the curb. You took what I said out of context. It's not minorities in comics that I have an issue with, it's the baggage that comes with the character 75% of the time. I'm a minority in many ways by the way (including my race and heritage) in case you were thinking I was some skin head or something. I'm just real about what I like and dislike and if you don't like that go cry to someone who cares.

you said that instead of reading about issues that minorities face, you'd much rather read about a white man (the hulk) with the EXACT same issues, in terms of being a pariah in a world that constantly rejects his image. The things the X-Men go through are the same shit minorities go through. the only difference is that they're (for the most part) a group of white people.

that sounds pretty fucked minded to me

conversly, me talking about issue that people of color face is interpreted as me "crying"? BWHAHAHA again why am i not surprised? the fact that you're "not skin head" doesn't mean shit BTW. buuuut to avoid turning this into a flame war, im going to drop the this convo. have a good day mr puuunch

No. I was giving an example about how these issues are already being addressed. I'm not saying people of color can't go through these things, but why does it have to be every single one (or at least the interesting ones)? It's ridiculous.

If that sounds bad to you wait till you hear my rants about political correctness in the US.

That's the thing. You're not simply "conversely talking" about these issues and again you're taking what I am saying out of context. I'm not saying you're "crying" because you have an issue with what I said or because of how you feel about the interpretation of black characters in comics, I said you're crying because you're throwing F Bombs everywhere. NOTHING at all to do with the actual conversation.

I'm a person of color and we face just as many issues as any other person in the world. It's just a thing that we are, not something that defines us. L8r

so you're one of those passive people of color? why not have the actual people that face these issue be the titular character? why have a character like hulk (a white man) illustrate the issues we face? conversely i'll say f*ck as many times as i damn will please mothaf*cka. don't tone police me. f*ck outta here.