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#1 Posted by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio

Part of the draw for comic is their timelessness. I like that fact that these characters stories were here before me and they will be here after me. It's one of the rare mediums available that do that. You have other options for the story moving on. Why take take one of the few places away from people who like the timelessness?

#3 Posted by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio

@sc said:
@dernman said:
@lvenger said:

@powerherc said:

@allstarsuperman said:

No. People are well within their right if their favorite characters are getting butchered just to appeal to movie watchers or shock value.

I agree.

Exactly. And there are plenty of valid reasons for criticising this move that aren't racist or sexist at all. It's people like the OP that fan the flames far more with blind defence of forced diversity and pandering to the masses than people who object to these ridiculous changes for good reason. Don't be so dismissive of those who have the right and the legitimacy to complain about gimmicks or PR or rubbish like this.

This 100% this. A good majority of the furor wouldn't be as bad if others were not so dismissive or purposely ignorant of where others are coming from. I say purposely ignorant because you can literally lay out and explain every problem you have, show similar examples where sex/race isn't involved and they just ignore it continuing to insist it's some kind of -ist/-ism not matter the reason given. Can't begin to tell you how many times I've seen someone go from mild irritation, calm critical to disgusted and strongly fervent over a subject because that type of thing constantly happening to them in a discussion. Then there is this idea that agreeing with what the companies do is some how more valid or right than not agreeing. That there is more right to the people who agree with the actions to express themselves than those that don't.

OP wants to say he's sick/tired well I can tell you people are far more sick/tired of being dismissed and have their motives purposely distorted. That's on top of already being sick and tired of the things they were criticizing in the first place.

EDIT: Lets not forgets how everyone gets lumped together like it's the same people sharing the same reasons all the time.

I agree with a lot of this. Its really not fair to dismiss criticism or complaints and reducing it to a type of irrational bigotry must be really frustrating to people who put more thought into it than that and are the furtherest thing from being bigoted, racist or sexist. A lot of assumptions can be reeled out and directed at others when you have individuals who believe their criticisms are right unquestionably or when people don't know their history or they speak for writers as well. "Oh this is just to pander to feminists" "Oh Jason Aaron doesn't want to this, Marvel is forcing him" "Thor isn't a title its his name" and strawman arguments or applying weak arguments to those who don't support individuals same views is unfortunately very common. People pack so many assumptions when it comes to such things I tend to think people just take the easy way out since it can take a very long time to actually address each assumption accurately and even then it can be very time consuming even when people still have an inaccurate idea of others positions and points.

Forgive for not responding all of your post or you trying to flip the switch. There was only so deep I wanted to get into discussing.

Just want to address one thing.

You're falling into some of the same traps. Take some of my complaints about Falcon taking over for Cap. It doesn't have to do with pandering at all. It has to do with the direction for his character, what I believe is right for him and my general opinion on mantle taking at all.

#4 Edited by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio

Though I agree with your post on principle it doesn't make sagging any less stupid.

#5 Posted by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio

Do we have the Luthor pick pocketing Batman feat here? :p

#6 Edited by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio
@lvenger said:

@powerherc said:

@allstarsuperman said:

No. People are well within their right if their favorite characters are getting butchered just to appeal to movie watchers or shock value.

I agree.

Exactly. And there are plenty of valid reasons for criticising this move that aren't racist or sexist at all. It's people like the OP that fan the flames far more with blind defence of forced diversity and pandering to the masses than people who object to these ridiculous changes for good reason. Don't be so dismissive of those who have the right and the legitimacy to complain about gimmicks or PR or rubbish like this.

This 100% this. A good majority of the furor wouldn't be as bad if others were not so dismissive or purposely ignorant of where others are coming from. I say purposely ignorant because you can literally lay out and explain every problem you have, show similar examples where sex/race isn't involved and they just ignore it continuing to insist it's some kind of -ist/-ism not matter the reason given. Can't begin to tell you how many times I've seen someone go from mild irritation, calm critical to disgusted and strongly fervent over a subject because that type of thing constantly happening to them in a discussion. Then there is this idea that agreeing with what the companies do is some how more valid or right than not agreeing. That there is more right to the people who agree with the actions to express themselves than those that don't.

OP wants to say he's sick/tired well I can tell you people are far more sick/tired of being dismissed and have their motives purposely distorted. That's on top of already being sick and tired of the things they were criticizing in the first place.

EDIT: Lets not forgets how everyone gets lumped together like it's the same people sharing the same reasons all the time.

#7 Posted by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with some thing and others I don't. Good write up though.

#9 Posted by Dernman (14726 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe:

Rhodey was a character that barely anyone outside of real Iron Man fan boys was even aware of until about a year or so before he took over for Iron Man. Before that to any casual reader he just seemed like some dude Tony hung out with on occasion. It wasn't until that time that Marvel actually gave him any depth. I'm not claiming all background characters are useless, I'm just saying that one didn't really do much between 1979 and 1990, he was just kind of there until they decided to do something with him and it worked out great.

Different opinions and view point pre and post hero Rhodey. Nevertheless they could have fleshed him out without making him a hero or another shadow.

On the Other hand you have characters like Thunderstrike who was basically created for the sole purpose of being a Thor replacement that they had no idea what to do with when real Thor came back so this could really go either way.

One could argue they shouldn't have done so in the first place. This coming from someone who Thunderstrike was a guilty pleasure. (Not Erik/Thor but Thunderstrike)